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Yo_Mama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 09:15 AM
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8. yes, but it's not really liberal or conservative ideology as a sane person would see it
A schizophrenic's brain has a lot of trouble holding and processing information, so they don't connect up ideas the way any normal person would. It seems like some of them seize upon some ideas with emotive power and use that power to support a more internally connected picture of the world, often with tragic results.

The Unabomber is one example of a schizophrenic who held what would usually be considered more "liberal" views, but in his case weren't.

Because they process ideas and concepts in a way that's quite different than a normal person would, these ideas frequently connect up in what seem amazingly random ways to a normal person. The external world and other people are very confusing when they are in psychotic episodes, and they often withdraw in terror, and become tremendously defensive.

It's possible, for example, for a schizophrenic to read an article postulating that vaccinations can have adverse effects (true for a small number of cases without a question), and then jump from that to the deep conviction that a doctor or nurse who tries to give him a shot is trying to kill him - even if he has been taken to the hospital for treatment of an infection and the shot is antibiotic.

Loughner's ideas, for example, were a mix of what would commonly be considered "left" and "right" - but none of those ideas really fit into the same integrated context that the vast mass of normal people carry in their cognition.

The diagnosis for this man will have to be confirmed, but it's probably correct.
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  -Norway mass murder suspect insane, police say Eugene  Nov-29-11 06:48 AM   #0 
  - That seems accurate. He seems insane to me.  Quantess   Nov-29-11 06:57 AM   #1 
  - If he's insane he would be a danger to others in prison,  Yo_Mama   Nov-29-11 09:17 AM   #10 
  - Quantess  Diclotican   Nov-29-11 09:24 AM   #11 
  - Thanks for explaining.  Quantess   Nov-29-11 09:49 AM   #12 
  - Quantess  Diclotican   Nov-29-11 10:29 AM   #18 
     - No, I know he was exaggerating just to be funny.  Quantess   Nov-29-11 11:09 AM   #23 
     - Quantess  Diclotican   Nov-29-11 12:32 PM   #35 
        - There are many, many bad prisons here in the U.S.,  amandabeech   Nov-30-11 03:35 PM   #51 
           - amandabeech  Diclotican   Nov-30-11 10:06 PM   #53 
     - Solitary confinement is torture  duhneece   Nov-29-11 12:06 PM   #27 
  - Restorative justice vs punative justice  duhneece   Nov-29-11 12:03 PM   #26 
  - Also, Norway doesn't have life imprisonment in prisons  alp227   Nov-29-11 12:36 PM   #36 
  - Does a anyone ever become psychoticly deranged and kill people in the name of liberal ideology?  Gman   Nov-29-11 07:00 AM   #2 
  - I think that the 'anarchist' assassins of the late 19th century  HereSince1628   Nov-29-11 07:10 AM   #3 
  - Wouldn't it be hard to say they were psychotic?  Gman   Nov-29-11 07:15 AM   #4 
  - IIRC they were pitched to the public by the media as being insane n/t  HereSince1628   Nov-29-11 07:18 AM   #5 
  - Although, many of them were framed. See: Sacco and Venzetti  Taverner   Nov-29-11 08:30 AM   #7 
  - yes, but it's not really liberal or conservative ideology as a sane person would see it  Yo_Mama   Nov-29-11 09:15 AM   #8 
  - The SLA comes to mind...  BadtotheboneBob   Nov-29-11 10:20 AM   #15 
  - Charles Manson was kind of liberal, but mostly just psychotic.  Quantess   Nov-29-11 10:22 AM   #17 
  - Liberal? In what way?  Starry Messenger   Nov-30-11 06:02 AM   #46 
  - I don't recognize any ideology that embraces genocide as a form of conservatism  slackmaster   Nov-29-11 12:12 PM   #29 
  - As long as he's put away, I'm all for it  lbrtbell   Nov-29-11 08:10 AM   #6 
  - Eugene  Diclotican   Nov-29-11 09:17 AM   #9 
  - We can see who you are and who you are responding to  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 10:00 AM   #13 
     - AtheistCrusader  Diclotican   Nov-29-11 10:22 AM   #16 
     - DU is visited by people from all over the world.  AtheistCrusader   Nov-29-11 10:41 AM   #19 
     - Ive seen Americans do it before :)  Lars77   Nov-29-11 10:56 AM   #20 
     - AtheistCrusader  Diclotican   Nov-29-11 12:25 PM   #33 
        - We each have our own style  Tansy_Gold   Nov-29-11 12:41 PM   #37 
     - It's always nice to see your posts, Diclotican.  EFerrari   Nov-29-11 12:20 PM   #30 
        - EFerrari  Diclotican   Nov-29-11 12:22 PM   #31 
     - Different posters have different quirks  Nihil   Nov-30-11 04:50 AM   #45 
  - no ****  iandhr   Nov-29-11 10:15 AM   #14 
  - The wrongness of this is that a mental hospital is not secure enough  ooglymoogly   Nov-29-11 10:59 AM   #21 
  - ooglymoogly  Diclotican   Nov-29-11 12:11 PM   #28 
  - Have you even been to a Mental Hospital? They are some of the more secure places I have even visite.  happyslug   Nov-30-11 01:49 AM   #43 
  - And yet...people do escape, a few never caught.  ooglymoogly   Nov-30-11 02:31 PM   #50 
  - well, guess what we do with insane people who do crimes here in the US?  wordpix   Nov-30-11 10:16 PM   #54 
  - He has been diagnosed with Paranoid Schizofrenia  Lars77   Nov-29-11 11:01 AM   #22 
  - Fundamentalist RW thinking surely must be insane.  stillwaiting   Nov-29-11 11:10 AM   #24 
  - You're describing severe paranoia. nt  EFerrari   Nov-29-11 12:23 PM   #32 
  - not to muddy the waters any more, but ...  jobendorfer   Nov-29-11 12:00 PM   #25 
  - The largest provider of mental health services in the country  EFerrari   Nov-29-11 12:26 PM   #34 
     - Actually, the largest provider of mental health services in the country is Medicaid  slackmaster   Nov-29-11 01:06 PM   #38 
  - BBC: Norwegian disbelief at Breivik 'insanity'  Eugene   Nov-29-11 04:38 PM   #39 
  - It is surprising.  limpyhobbler   Nov-29-11 05:09 PM   #41 
     - Norway is a "Civil Law" system of justice  happyslug   Nov-30-11 02:46 AM   #44 
        - ok that does make sense  limpyhobbler   Nov-30-11 07:48 AM   #49 
  - I'm against the death penalty but I would make an exception for Mr Brevik. n/t  limpyhobbler   Nov-29-11 05:03 PM   #40 
  - Then you are not against the death penalty...  BadtotheboneBob   Nov-29-11 10:23 PM   #42 
     - I've never been for it before, I guess I changed my mind now , nt  limpyhobbler   Nov-30-11 07:29 AM   #48 
  - This video regarding Norway's prisons was originally titled something like  stellanoir   Nov-30-11 07:02 AM   #47 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-30-11 03:40 PM   #52 
  - " critical of Muslim immigration and European liberalism"  wordpix   Nov-30-11 10:20 PM   #55 
  - if he killed my loved ones i would want him dead .  roman7   Dec-01-11 02:42 PM   #56 
  - This troubles me in so many ways  War Horse   Dec-01-11 04:45 PM   #57 
 

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