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Tumbulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 02:31 PM
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19. humane animal slaughter is something that I care deeply about
and for many of us in agriculture it dictates a lot.

With cattle Temple Grandin's handling equipment and her lifelong work have really changed things radically for the better. If you can try to watch the HBO special about her life and work. One person can make a difference. If they stick with it and are brilliant, as she is.

My neighbor raises organic pasture hogs and drives them to a humane facility where the pigs all walk into a room, CO2 is pumped in, they all go to sleep and then after that they are killed.

Sheep in the facility near me follow a lead trained sheep with a bell down an alleyway, where they are picked up on slings - which causes them to relax completely and in this state- six at a time so they are not alone and prone to panic they are stunned and then killed. The USDA inspector is there at all times. No shouting, so prodding, every person bringing animals has to sign an document attesting that they have not traveled more than 2 hours without a rest outside of the tailer with food and water. No one is allowed to speak over a whisper to keep the sheep calm. And they are quite serious about this.

Chickens remain the nightmare it seems, but Temple Grandin has been working with this industry to improve things. IMO they have a very long way to go. There are humane chicken slaughter facilities, but one has to look long and hard for this.

There are nightmare facilities still for cattle and hogs and sheep, but we have to keep working at eliminating them. The slaughter has been getting better, but the way they are raised must really be addressed. No one should allow the terribly tiny cages for hogs and chickens. Feed lot agriculture has to be stopped. There is no justification for it other than greed.
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  -U.S. ban on horse slaughter lifted Freddie Stubbs  Nov-28-11 12:58 PM   #0 
  - the cow lobby wins big lol. nt  msongs   Nov-28-11 01:02 PM   #1 
  - eat mor horsz. (n/t)  Iggo   Nov-28-11 03:38 PM   #29 
  - cows with guns!  lonestarnot   Nov-28-11 08:08 PM   #45 
  - Hooray for creating jobs in the horse meat industry! n/t  Ian David   Nov-28-11 01:03 PM   #2 
  - The Europeans will be thrilled. nt  MADem   Nov-28-11 01:04 PM   #3 
  - Can't speak for Europe in general  dipsydoodle   Nov-28-11 05:42 PM   #41 
     - I'm afraid I can. I lived right down the road from the horsemeat butcher,  MADem   Nov-28-11 06:10 PM   #43 
  - IT comes down to "Would you rather see a horse slaughtered or starve to death?" nt  Vincardog   Nov-28-11 01:12 PM   #4 
  - well, for people with limited thinking (i.e. greedy and/or stupid) that is what it  Scout   Nov-28-11 01:16 PM   #6 
  - How does realizing that horses suffer in economic times like these "limited thinking" Please  Vincardog   Nov-28-11 01:22 PM   #8 
     - And when they can't afford to heat their homes, they can begin to burn down all the trees?  defendandprotect   Nov-28-11 01:31 PM   #12 
     - stop overbreeding  Scout   Nov-28-11 02:45 PM   #21 
        - I have never abandoned nor have I slaughtered any horse. I have do not breed either. My answer to  Vincardog   Nov-28-11 02:58 PM   #24 
        - sounds like the assholes who tell poor people they shouldn't have children  Kali   Nov-28-11 04:05 PM   #32 
           - unless you have a sudden, all-encompassing tragedy of some sort  Scout   Nov-29-11 12:54 AM   #48 
              - still being judgemental there  Kali   Nov-29-11 10:55 AM   #50 
  - Wrong question - especially given inhumane history of horse slaughter in US  bread_and_roses   Nov-28-11 01:25 PM   #9 
  - Your answer is?  Vincardog   Nov-28-11 01:28 PM   #10 
  - I've often found that when presented with only two options  LanternWaste   Nov-28-11 02:42 PM   #20 
  - What a clever response. Given the following facts. 1) Horses are being abandoned to starve.  Vincardog   Nov-28-11 02:51 PM   #22 
     - That I know merely three places of Pi is not indicative that there are only three places.  LanternWaste   Nov-28-11 03:01 PM   #26 
        - Do you have a point?  Vincardog   Nov-28-11 03:04 PM   #27 
  - The answer begins with the breeding - as it does with cats and dogs  bread_and_roses   Nov-28-11 05:44 PM   #42 
     - I do not believe that stating that it seems to be a choice between Slaughter and starvation is the  Vincardog   Nov-29-11 11:02 AM   #51 
  - it was banned becasue do-gooders didn't think about the unintended consequences  Kali   Nov-28-11 04:07 PM   #33 
  - i think i can speak for the horse when i say let them take a chance on starving  leftyohiolib   Nov-28-11 01:46 PM   #15 
  - So Mr Ed is a friend of yours?  beardown   Nov-28-11 02:01 PM   #16 
  - Problem is, the availability of horse slaughter doesn't stop people from starving horses...  KathieG   Nov-29-11 08:38 PM   #53 
  - It's not just for breakfast anymore  jberryhill   Nov-28-11 01:14 PM   #5 
  - If we are going to eat animals  bowens43   Nov-28-11 01:20 PM   #7 
  - it is when performed in inhumane fashon - as was case in US  bread_and_roses   Nov-28-11 01:29 PM   #11 
  - yes, but shipping them to Mexico to be slaughtered  Tumbulu   Nov-28-11 01:38 PM   #13 
  - I agree  mimitabby   Nov-28-11 02:03 PM   #17 
  - As a member of the horse community I can tell you...  KathieG   Nov-29-11 09:31 PM   #56 
  - Ding Ding  neoconn   Nov-28-11 02:13 PM   #18 
  - Agreed  beardown   Nov-28-11 04:53 PM   #37 
  - The plants currently operating in Mexico are owned by the same...  KathieG   Nov-29-11 09:12 PM   #55 
  - More inhumane  quakerboy   Nov-28-11 01:42 PM   #14 
     - humane animal slaughter is something that I care deeply about  Tumbulu   Nov-28-11 02:31 PM   #19 
  - Social mores are contrary to your position...  LanternWaste   Nov-28-11 02:57 PM   #23 
  - I've mentioned it before, but when I had to get rid of my horses...  Xithras   Nov-28-11 02:58 PM   #25 
  - Starve at pasture! What a fucking idea. So god damned disgusting. There is always another option!  lonestarnot   Nov-28-11 08:10 PM   #46 
  - so sad...  C. lupus familiaris   Nov-28-11 03:33 PM   #28 
  - "Horse Slaughter."  RUMMYisFROSTED   Nov-28-11 03:42 PM   #30 
  - Horses, good.  malthaussen   Nov-28-11 03:46 PM   #31 
  - MILLIONS of dogs and cats are "destroyed" each year. Your point is?  Vincardog   Nov-28-11 04:12 PM   #34 
  - this is an option like terminating a pregnancy that needs to be available  Kali   Nov-28-11 04:16 PM   #35 
  - "horses are livestock"  Scout   Nov-29-11 12:52 AM   #47 
     - ?  Kali   Nov-29-11 11:04 AM   #52 
  - Getting rid of slaughter was a mistake, and I hope this is a step in the right direction.  Brickbat   Nov-28-11 04:43 PM   #36 
  - If they're made of meat,  Rincewind   Nov-28-11 05:02 PM   #38 
  - The thing that concerns me is the presence of toxic pharmaceuticals...  HereSince1628   Nov-28-11 05:12 PM   #39 
  - Theoretically, any horse sold at auction or to a slaughterhouse must be verified drug free  riderinthestorm   Nov-28-11 05:25 PM   #40 
  - And Obama signed the bill into law  harvey007   Nov-28-11 08:00 PM   #44 
  - Horse meat is good and very lean. Have to watch out for toxoplasmosis, though.  Little Tich   Nov-29-11 01:25 AM   #49 
     - Toxoplasmosis is the least of your worries when eating horse meat...  KathieG   Nov-29-11 08:53 PM   #54 

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