Tumbulu
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Mon Nov-28-11 02:31 PM
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| 19. humane animal slaughter is something that I care deeply about |
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and for many of us in agriculture it dictates a lot.
With cattle Temple Grandin's handling equipment and her lifelong work have really changed things radically for the better. If you can try to watch the HBO special about her life and work. One person can make a difference. If they stick with it and are brilliant, as she is.
My neighbor raises organic pasture hogs and drives them to a humane facility where the pigs all walk into a room, CO2 is pumped in, they all go to sleep and then after that they are killed.
Sheep in the facility near me follow a lead trained sheep with a bell down an alleyway, where they are picked up on slings - which causes them to relax completely and in this state- six at a time so they are not alone and prone to panic they are stunned and then killed. The USDA inspector is there at all times. No shouting, so prodding, every person bringing animals has to sign an document attesting that they have not traveled more than 2 hours without a rest outside of the tailer with food and water. No one is allowed to speak over a whisper to keep the sheep calm. And they are quite serious about this.
Chickens remain the nightmare it seems, but Temple Grandin has been working with this industry to improve things. IMO they have a very long way to go. There are humane chicken slaughter facilities, but one has to look long and hard for this.
There are nightmare facilities still for cattle and hogs and sheep, but we have to keep working at eliminating them. The slaughter has been getting better, but the way they are raised must really be addressed. No one should allow the terribly tiny cages for hogs and chickens. Feed lot agriculture has to be stopped. There is no justification for it other than greed.
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| -U.S. ban on horse slaughter lifted |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-28-11 12:58 PM |
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the cow lobby wins big lol. nt |
msongs |
Nov-28-11 01:02 PM |
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eat mor horsz. (n/t) |
Iggo |
Nov-28-11 03:38 PM |
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cows with guns! |
lonestarnot |
Nov-28-11 08:08 PM |
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Hooray for creating jobs in the horse meat industry! n/t |
Ian David |
Nov-28-11 01:03 PM |
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The Europeans will be thrilled. nt |
MADem |
Nov-28-11 01:04 PM |
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Can't speak for Europe in general |
dipsydoodle |
Nov-28-11 05:42 PM |
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I'm afraid I can. I lived right down the road from the horsemeat butcher, |
MADem |
Nov-28-11 06:10 PM |
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IT comes down to "Would you rather see a horse slaughtered or starve to death?" nt |
Vincardog |
Nov-28-11 01:12 PM |
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well, for people with limited thinking (i.e. greedy and/or stupid) that is what it |
Scout |
Nov-28-11 01:16 PM |
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How does realizing that horses suffer in economic times like these "limited thinking" Please |
Vincardog |
Nov-28-11 01:22 PM |
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And when they can't afford to heat their homes, they can begin to burn down all the trees? |
defendandprotect |
Nov-28-11 01:31 PM |
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stop overbreeding |
Scout |
Nov-28-11 02:45 PM |
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I have never abandoned nor have I slaughtered any horse. I have do not breed either. My answer to |
Vincardog |
Nov-28-11 02:58 PM |
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sounds like the assholes who tell poor people they shouldn't have children |
Kali |
Nov-28-11 04:05 PM |
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unless you have a sudden, all-encompassing tragedy of some sort |
Scout |
Nov-29-11 12:54 AM |
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still being judgemental there |
Kali |
Nov-29-11 10:55 AM |
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Wrong question - especially given inhumane history of horse slaughter in US |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-28-11 01:25 PM |
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Your answer is? |
Vincardog |
Nov-28-11 01:28 PM |
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I've often found that when presented with only two options |
LanternWaste |
Nov-28-11 02:42 PM |
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What a clever response. Given the following facts. 1) Horses are being abandoned to starve. |
Vincardog |
Nov-28-11 02:51 PM |
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That I know merely three places of Pi is not indicative that there are only three places. |
LanternWaste |
Nov-28-11 03:01 PM |
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Do you have a point? |
Vincardog |
Nov-28-11 03:04 PM |
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The answer begins with the breeding - as it does with cats and dogs |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-28-11 05:44 PM |
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I do not believe that stating that it seems to be a choice between Slaughter and starvation is the |
Vincardog |
Nov-29-11 11:02 AM |
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it was banned becasue do-gooders didn't think about the unintended consequences |
Kali |
Nov-28-11 04:07 PM |
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i think i can speak for the horse when i say let them take a chance on starving |
leftyohiolib |
Nov-28-11 01:46 PM |
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So Mr Ed is a friend of yours? |
beardown |
Nov-28-11 02:01 PM |
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Problem is, the availability of horse slaughter doesn't stop people from starving horses... |
KathieG |
Nov-29-11 08:38 PM |
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It's not just for breakfast anymore |
jberryhill |
Nov-28-11 01:14 PM |
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If we are going to eat animals |
bowens43 |
Nov-28-11 01:20 PM |
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it is when performed in inhumane fashon - as was case in US |
bread_and_roses |
Nov-28-11 01:29 PM |
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yes, but shipping them to Mexico to be slaughtered |
Tumbulu |
Nov-28-11 01:38 PM |
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I agree |
mimitabby |
Nov-28-11 02:03 PM |
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As a member of the horse community I can tell you... |
KathieG |
Nov-29-11 09:31 PM |
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Ding Ding |
neoconn |
Nov-28-11 02:13 PM |
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Agreed |
beardown |
Nov-28-11 04:53 PM |
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The plants currently operating in Mexico are owned by the same... |
KathieG |
Nov-29-11 09:12 PM |
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More inhumane |
quakerboy |
Nov-28-11 01:42 PM |
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humane animal slaughter is something that I care deeply about |
Tumbulu |
Nov-28-11 02:31 PM |
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Social mores are contrary to your position... |
LanternWaste |
Nov-28-11 02:57 PM |
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I've mentioned it before, but when I had to get rid of my horses... |
Xithras |
Nov-28-11 02:58 PM |
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Starve at pasture! What a fucking idea. So god damned disgusting. There is always another option! |
lonestarnot |
Nov-28-11 08:10 PM |
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so sad... |
C. lupus familiaris |
Nov-28-11 03:33 PM |
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"Horse Slaughter." |
RUMMYisFROSTED |
Nov-28-11 03:42 PM |
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Horses, good. |
malthaussen |
Nov-28-11 03:46 PM |
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MILLIONS of dogs and cats are "destroyed" each year. Your point is? |
Vincardog |
Nov-28-11 04:12 PM |
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this is an option like terminating a pregnancy that needs to be available |
Kali |
Nov-28-11 04:16 PM |
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"horses are livestock" |
Scout |
Nov-29-11 12:52 AM |
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? |
Kali |
Nov-29-11 11:04 AM |
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Getting rid of slaughter was a mistake, and I hope this is a step in the right direction. |
Brickbat |
Nov-28-11 04:43 PM |
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If they're made of meat, |
Rincewind |
Nov-28-11 05:02 PM |
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The thing that concerns me is the presence of toxic pharmaceuticals... |
HereSince1628 |
Nov-28-11 05:12 PM |
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Theoretically, any horse sold at auction or to a slaughterhouse must be verified drug free |
riderinthestorm |
Nov-28-11 05:25 PM |
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And Obama signed the bill into law |
harvey007 |
Nov-28-11 08:00 PM |
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Horse meat is good and very lean. Have to watch out for toxoplasmosis, though. |
Little Tich |
Nov-29-11 01:25 AM |
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Toxoplasmosis is the least of your worries when eating horse meat... |
KathieG |
Nov-29-11 08:53 PM |
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