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Ash_F Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-26-11 01:33 PM
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61. "abandoning their own culture" needs more definition
Before I get started, this is probably a good time to remind people that these immigrants come from the side Norway politically supports in whatever violent conflict brought them seeking refuge. As was recently in the case of Iraq and Somalia. It just seems like many posters here don't realize that yet. That stated...

What exactly do these people want? For the immigrants to stop eating their native foods? Listening to their native music? Reading books from their homeland? Abandon their religion(unless it is Christianity which many ironically are)? How do they expect to regulate and enforce this? I think what they really want is for non-whites to stop existing/be deported. :eyes: But Norway as a whole won't go for that, so they start with the ambiguous "they are not assimilating" and "they don't want to learn the language lines" to win people over. I am sure these same Norwegians spend a lot time getting to know immigrants in order to know what they want and don't want. :sarcasm:

I actually agree with your mandatory language training idea. That is fair to all parties and the racists will have to think up another line. And speaking of other lines....

"They are coming to rape our women!!!@#" is the worst. :mad: What they really mean is "don't date nor even dare to reckless eye-ball OUR women".

I would type up something about the "separate but equal" line but the other poster responded to you adequately.

Anyway thanks for the insight Lars. Again, as I said to Diclotican, don't take it as a personal attack nor an attack on national pride or something. My issue is with the language of the propaganda. People should say what they mean and be able to prove their claims. You might be surprised that the US has had the very same issues in our history; with our racists using the very same lines. And it was not always with non-whites either but the Irish and Italians and other white Catholics. And before that with different protestant sects.
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  -Apartheid row at Norwegian school after it segregates ethnic pupils Judi Lynn  Nov-25-11 02:59 PM   #0 
  - Interesting. Puts a different light on the shootings over there. They  jwirr   Nov-25-11 03:16 PM   #1 
  - Judi Lynn  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 05:24 PM   #2 
  - Is this some kind of code phrase?  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 05:40 PM   #3 
  - Ash_F  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 06:23 PM   #4 
  - "We doesn't have all this "hate-radio" in our airwaves"  boppers   Nov-25-11 08:33 PM   #34 
  - boppers  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:58 PM   #37 
  - One last comment before I leave for the night.  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 11:45 PM   #51 
     - Ash_F  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 09:24 AM   #54 
        - Again you dodge the question about the racist propaganda line you used  Ash_F   Nov-26-11 12:35 PM   #59 
           - Ash_F  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 01:29 PM   #60 
              - I speak two languages, my parents language was my first and English was my second  Ash_F   Nov-26-11 01:44 PM   #62 
  - You are rude. Diclotican has been on DU for many years & his insights are invaluable.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-11 06:49 PM   #7 
  - scarletwoman  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:05 PM   #9 
  - You misunderstood scarletwoman's post. She was defending you  tblue37   Nov-25-11 07:17 PM   #12 
  - tblue37  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:24 PM   #15 
  - Scarlettwoman was calling Ash_F rude...  awoke_in_2003   Nov-25-11 07:23 PM   #14 
  - awoke_in_2003  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:24 PM   #16 
  - Dear Diclotican, it was not you I was calling "rude", it was Ash_F.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-11 07:28 PM   #18 
     - scarletwoman  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:47 PM   #21 
        - I was not offended at all. One of my greatest regrets is that I do not know how to speak Norwegian.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-11 08:31 PM   #33 
           - scarletwoman  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:46 PM   #36 
  - Exactly how is segregating children by ethnicity in schools supposed to aid in assimilation?  entanglement   Nov-25-11 10:00 PM   #42 
  - entanglement  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 10:09 PM   #44 
     - Good to hear that  entanglement   Nov-25-11 10:57 PM   #47 
        - entanglement  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 09:27 AM   #55 
  - People can be wrong for many years.  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 10:17 PM   #45 
  - Agree...  IthinkThereforeIAM   Nov-26-11 11:03 AM   #56 
  - The country's GOVERNMENT made that decision  lbrtbell   Nov-25-11 09:28 PM   #40 
  - Do you have a link for this?  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 11:15 PM   #49 
  - Your comment is somewhat rude and shows ignorance.  Yo_Mama   Nov-25-11 09:29 PM   #41 
     - That is so gracious. I was exactly right. nt  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 10:50 PM   #46 
  - Can we assume these kids were born in Norway?  Prometheus Bound   Nov-25-11 06:29 PM   #5 
  - if they are born there, but still won't integrate, then yes, it is an issue.  provis99   Nov-25-11 06:33 PM   #6 
     - But D is talking about the first generation.  Prometheus Bound   Nov-25-11 07:37 PM   #20 
     - Prometheus Bound  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:56 PM   #22 
        - In Oslo there are plenty of 3rd 4th gen immigrants who do not identify as Norwegians  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:23 PM   #28 
     - Integration is a two way street. In the U.S., for example, "ghettos" of various kinds  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 08:22 PM   #27 
  - There are plenty immigrants who came to America and never learned Enligh  SpartanDem   Nov-25-11 07:08 PM   #10 
  - SpartanDem  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:37 PM   #19 
  - We're better at integrating people  XemaSab   Nov-25-11 07:10 PM   #11 
  - The U.S. has npt been all that great at integrating, especially non-whites.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 08:25 PM   #29 
  - Except for that electing a black President thing.  Nye Bevan   Nov-25-11 11:14 PM   #48 
     - Nye Bevan  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 09:05 AM   #53 
  - Part of the reason for America being "better at integration" is that anyone can be an American.  Spider Jerusalem   Nov-26-11 01:56 AM   #52 
  - There are different degrees of 'integration'  Samba   Nov-25-11 07:25 PM   #17 
  - This is a long standing problem with no obvious solution  grantcart   Nov-26-11 11:19 AM   #57 
  - I've said the shooting were just tip of iceberg,  SpartanDem   Nov-25-11 06:53 PM   #8 
  - SpartanDem  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:23 PM   #13 
     - I appreciate the feedback  DonCoquixote   Nov-25-11 08:05 PM   #23 
        - Not democratic, but welfare state perhaps?  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:15 PM   #25 
        - Lars77  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:30 PM   #31 
        - That was a classic progress party play  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:35 PM   #35 
           - Lars77  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 09:05 PM   #38 
        - Lars77  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:30 PM   #32 
        - DonCoquixote  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:20 PM   #26 
  - I have some thoughts of this subject..  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:09 PM   #24 
  - Separate but equal  Samba   Nov-25-11 09:25 PM   #39 
  - Samba  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 10:07 PM   #43 
     - Very interesting...  Dan   Nov-26-11 08:23 PM   #65 
  - "abandoning their own culture" needs more definition  Ash_F   Nov-26-11 01:33 PM   #61 
  - Ash_F  Lars77   Nov-26-11 07:51 PM   #63 
  - The police stats from just Oslo support Lars' point that rape is done by non-Norwegian  riderinthestorm   Nov-26-11 08:09 PM   #64 
     - No way that is true. Do you have any actual statistics instead of links to stormfronters?  Ash_F   Nov-29-11 04:00 AM   #67 
  - Us vs EU  DonCoquixote   Nov-26-11 09:46 PM   #66 
  - The right wing anywhere. Grrr.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 08:28 PM   #30 
  - Diclotican and Lars77  Book Lover   Nov-25-11 11:25 PM   #50 
     - Agreed. I just read through the entire thread and here you are, saying exactly what I felt!  riderinthestorm   Nov-26-11 12:35 PM   #58 

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