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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 08:20 PM
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26. DonCoquixote
DonCoquixote

You doesn't need to be of a homogeneous population to be democratic - but it sure help when many things have to be desided... But the fact is that we can solve this, mostly because we are a small country, with a lot of resources larger country do not have. It all go down to what we want to do with our refugees, and our immigrants.. Do we accept they build their own small community where they more or less govern them self, or want we them to be part of a larger pile, a bigger community, where you can get an education, and learn the language of your ancestors - and the language where you live. 2 and 3 generations managed it well, but many do have great problems fit into what Norway is all about.. And the result is often a mess...

One of the problem, I believe, is that many who came from country's like Somalia do not know to read or write, and have a idea of what the world are, who are not acceptable when they come to Norway. Somalia have been in war with itself for more than 25-30 year now, and many refugees from Somalia is used to a level of violence, that is just not acceptable in Norway. The result is often conflicts when they doesn't fit into the community as a whole. And some young people often emulate the habit they have been learned from their more grown ups and then when that level of violence is not accepted, they get into a lot of problems.. More problems than they could have been into, if they had been given the proper help from day one - and their parents, or guardians had been around to try to educate them how Norway really works..

And many native Norwegians do a great job, to try to help them into the fold, works program language classes, both basic and secondary, and even on high education, is often been tried out, to get most of them out and into the community where they can be a part of us all.. And many do a great job integrate into the community also. But some just doesn't want, or are able to do it, and they often make a life outside of the community, in crime and violence.. Some also end up in criminal gangs, who fight over turfs or over "property".. The last couple of years, we have experienced a crime wave, where gangs more or less had had shooting wars out in the streets in bright daylight - with people shocked to look as gang members of different ethnically groups have fighting in down town Oslo.. Things that NEVER was the case if you ho 30 or 40 year back in time..

So, not everything is good, with the "newcomers" even tho most of them have been doing a great job integrate them selfs into the country, and also have been making Norway a fare more interesting place to live than it was just 30 year back in time..

Diclotican
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  -Apartheid row at Norwegian school after it segregates ethnic pupils Judi Lynn  Nov-25-11 02:59 PM   #0 
  - Interesting. Puts a different light on the shootings over there. They  jwirr   Nov-25-11 03:16 PM   #1 
  - Judi Lynn  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 05:24 PM   #2 
  - Is this some kind of code phrase?  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 05:40 PM   #3 
  - Ash_F  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 06:23 PM   #4 
  - "We doesn't have all this "hate-radio" in our airwaves"  boppers   Nov-25-11 08:33 PM   #34 
  - boppers  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:58 PM   #37 
  - One last comment before I leave for the night.  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 11:45 PM   #51 
     - Ash_F  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 09:24 AM   #54 
        - Again you dodge the question about the racist propaganda line you used  Ash_F   Nov-26-11 12:35 PM   #59 
           - Ash_F  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 01:29 PM   #60 
              - I speak two languages, my parents language was my first and English was my second  Ash_F   Nov-26-11 01:44 PM   #62 
  - You are rude. Diclotican has been on DU for many years & his insights are invaluable.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-11 06:49 PM   #7 
  - scarletwoman  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:05 PM   #9 
  - You misunderstood scarletwoman's post. She was defending you  tblue37   Nov-25-11 07:17 PM   #12 
  - tblue37  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:24 PM   #15 
  - Scarlettwoman was calling Ash_F rude...  awoke_in_2003   Nov-25-11 07:23 PM   #14 
  - awoke_in_2003  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:24 PM   #16 
  - Dear Diclotican, it was not you I was calling "rude", it was Ash_F.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-11 07:28 PM   #18 
     - scarletwoman  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:47 PM   #21 
        - I was not offended at all. One of my greatest regrets is that I do not know how to speak Norwegian.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-11 08:31 PM   #33 
           - scarletwoman  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:46 PM   #36 
  - Exactly how is segregating children by ethnicity in schools supposed to aid in assimilation?  entanglement   Nov-25-11 10:00 PM   #42 
  - entanglement  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 10:09 PM   #44 
     - Good to hear that  entanglement   Nov-25-11 10:57 PM   #47 
        - entanglement  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 09:27 AM   #55 
  - People can be wrong for many years.  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 10:17 PM   #45 
  - Agree...  IthinkThereforeIAM   Nov-26-11 11:03 AM   #56 
  - The country's GOVERNMENT made that decision  lbrtbell   Nov-25-11 09:28 PM   #40 
  - Do you have a link for this?  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 11:15 PM   #49 
  - Your comment is somewhat rude and shows ignorance.  Yo_Mama   Nov-25-11 09:29 PM   #41 
     - That is so gracious. I was exactly right. nt  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 10:50 PM   #46 
  - Can we assume these kids were born in Norway?  Prometheus Bound   Nov-25-11 06:29 PM   #5 
  - if they are born there, but still won't integrate, then yes, it is an issue.  provis99   Nov-25-11 06:33 PM   #6 
     - But D is talking about the first generation.  Prometheus Bound   Nov-25-11 07:37 PM   #20 
     - Prometheus Bound  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:56 PM   #22 
        - In Oslo there are plenty of 3rd 4th gen immigrants who do not identify as Norwegians  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:23 PM   #28 
     - Integration is a two way street. In the U.S., for example, "ghettos" of various kinds  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 08:22 PM   #27 
  - There are plenty immigrants who came to America and never learned Enligh  SpartanDem   Nov-25-11 07:08 PM   #10 
  - SpartanDem  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:37 PM   #19 
  - We're better at integrating people  XemaSab   Nov-25-11 07:10 PM   #11 
  - The U.S. has npt been all that great at integrating, especially non-whites.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 08:25 PM   #29 
  - Except for that electing a black President thing.  Nye Bevan   Nov-25-11 11:14 PM   #48 
     - Nye Bevan  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 09:05 AM   #53 
  - Part of the reason for America being "better at integration" is that anyone can be an American.  Spider Jerusalem   Nov-26-11 01:56 AM   #52 
  - There are different degrees of 'integration'  Samba   Nov-25-11 07:25 PM   #17 
  - This is a long standing problem with no obvious solution  grantcart   Nov-26-11 11:19 AM   #57 
  - I've said the shooting were just tip of iceberg,  SpartanDem   Nov-25-11 06:53 PM   #8 
  - SpartanDem  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:23 PM   #13 
     - I appreciate the feedback  DonCoquixote   Nov-25-11 08:05 PM   #23 
        - Not democratic, but welfare state perhaps?  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:15 PM   #25 
        - Lars77  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:30 PM   #31 
        - That was a classic progress party play  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:35 PM   #35 
           - Lars77  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 09:05 PM   #38 
        - Lars77  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:30 PM   #32 
        - DonCoquixote  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:20 PM   #26 
  - I have some thoughts of this subject..  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:09 PM   #24 
  - Separate but equal  Samba   Nov-25-11 09:25 PM   #39 
  - Samba  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 10:07 PM   #43 
     - Very interesting...  Dan   Nov-26-11 08:23 PM   #65 
  - "abandoning their own culture" needs more definition  Ash_F   Nov-26-11 01:33 PM   #61 
  - Ash_F  Lars77   Nov-26-11 07:51 PM   #63 
  - The police stats from just Oslo support Lars' point that rape is done by non-Norwegian  riderinthestorm   Nov-26-11 08:09 PM   #64 
     - No way that is true. Do you have any actual statistics instead of links to stormfronters?  Ash_F   Nov-29-11 04:00 AM   #67 
  - Us vs EU  DonCoquixote   Nov-26-11 09:46 PM   #66 
  - The right wing anywhere. Grrr.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 08:28 PM   #30 
  - Diclotican and Lars77  Book Lover   Nov-25-11 11:25 PM   #50 
     - Agreed. I just read through the entire thread and here you are, saying exactly what I felt!  riderinthestorm   Nov-26-11 12:35 PM   #58 
 

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