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Diclotican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-11 07:23 PM
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13. SpartanDem
SpartanDem

Im sorry to say, this have been the case for many years now allerady.. And it is some truth to it, not that everyone is getting a "better deal" than native norwigians - by far most is just getting by as everyone else on welfare I guess.. But some peopole is gaming the system, and it looks like many in the public sector ar either not willing, or not able to understand when pepole is gaming the system to get benefits they should not be given by law.. In the last decade or so, in many news papers, histories about refugees gaming the system, and make ten of thousands of dollars out of it. That bite hard, when yourself get 800 NKR, when I had to get to the welfare office, and even then I had to give evidence, by my bank statement,that I dosen't had any other means of making myself some money.. The lady behind the desk proberly belived I would use the 800 on drugs I suspect, even tho I used it on food...

I doubt that we wil ever get a US style of "social safty net".. We know how lucy we do have, who have a decent safty net when you need it. Even tho it is far from perfect, I know a lot of it, and I have experienced the worst of the worst, and had a break down as a resoult of it.. Was on the verge og killing myself when the whole world was hitting my head.. Thankfully I managed to get true it, and survived it all. But I would not even give my worste enemy that treatement...

But we might also discover the limits fo been nice to everyone in the world. We are a small, mostly homogen, nolotic population, and I guess we have reatch a limit for what we really can do, withouth a disussing about what to do next, when it came to emigration and refugees from diferent parts of the world.. This is something that many nations discover that it is not that easy to manage parts of the population who just dosen't want to integrate into the socity, and who are making themselfs ghettoes in larger city, where no white man is "allowed" legal or othervice.. It is a mess where I dobut we ever have been before... And i doubt that we can get a easy answer to it either.. But I strongly belive one thing, refugees and imigrants from all over the world, who deside Norway to be their home, must integrate into the socity, even tho if they keep parts of their own culture inside their own hallways, they just have to accept what is the "norm" in Norway.. It is that easy, be part of Norway, have all the benefites and duties as an norwigian, and be treated as a norwigian, regardness of the collor of your skin, or who you are from..

But, Norway is far from that ideal yet - we might never came to that either, but at least we, as norwigians can try to do it as bes as we can...

Diclotican



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  -Apartheid row at Norwegian school after it segregates ethnic pupils Judi Lynn  Nov-25-11 02:59 PM   #0 
  - Interesting. Puts a different light on the shootings over there. They  jwirr   Nov-25-11 03:16 PM   #1 
  - Judi Lynn  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 05:24 PM   #2 
  - Is this some kind of code phrase?  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 05:40 PM   #3 
  - Ash_F  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 06:23 PM   #4 
  - "We doesn't have all this "hate-radio" in our airwaves"  boppers   Nov-25-11 08:33 PM   #34 
  - boppers  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:58 PM   #37 
  - One last comment before I leave for the night.  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 11:45 PM   #51 
     - Ash_F  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 09:24 AM   #54 
        - Again you dodge the question about the racist propaganda line you used  Ash_F   Nov-26-11 12:35 PM   #59 
           - Ash_F  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 01:29 PM   #60 
              - I speak two languages, my parents language was my first and English was my second  Ash_F   Nov-26-11 01:44 PM   #62 
  - You are rude. Diclotican has been on DU for many years & his insights are invaluable.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-11 06:49 PM   #7 
  - scarletwoman  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:05 PM   #9 
  - You misunderstood scarletwoman's post. She was defending you  tblue37   Nov-25-11 07:17 PM   #12 
  - tblue37  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:24 PM   #15 
  - Scarlettwoman was calling Ash_F rude...  awoke_in_2003   Nov-25-11 07:23 PM   #14 
  - awoke_in_2003  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:24 PM   #16 
  - Dear Diclotican, it was not you I was calling "rude", it was Ash_F.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-11 07:28 PM   #18 
     - scarletwoman  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:47 PM   #21 
        - I was not offended at all. One of my greatest regrets is that I do not know how to speak Norwegian.  scarletwoman   Nov-25-11 08:31 PM   #33 
           - scarletwoman  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:46 PM   #36 
  - Exactly how is segregating children by ethnicity in schools supposed to aid in assimilation?  entanglement   Nov-25-11 10:00 PM   #42 
  - entanglement  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 10:09 PM   #44 
     - Good to hear that  entanglement   Nov-25-11 10:57 PM   #47 
        - entanglement  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 09:27 AM   #55 
  - People can be wrong for many years.  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 10:17 PM   #45 
  - Agree...  IthinkThereforeIAM   Nov-26-11 11:03 AM   #56 
  - The country's GOVERNMENT made that decision  lbrtbell   Nov-25-11 09:28 PM   #40 
  - Do you have a link for this?  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 11:15 PM   #49 
  - Your comment is somewhat rude and shows ignorance.  Yo_Mama   Nov-25-11 09:29 PM   #41 
     - That is so gracious. I was exactly right. nt  Ash_F   Nov-25-11 10:50 PM   #46 
  - Can we assume these kids were born in Norway?  Prometheus Bound   Nov-25-11 06:29 PM   #5 
  - if they are born there, but still won't integrate, then yes, it is an issue.  provis99   Nov-25-11 06:33 PM   #6 
     - But D is talking about the first generation.  Prometheus Bound   Nov-25-11 07:37 PM   #20 
     - Prometheus Bound  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:56 PM   #22 
        - In Oslo there are plenty of 3rd 4th gen immigrants who do not identify as Norwegians  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:23 PM   #28 
     - Integration is a two way street. In the U.S., for example, "ghettos" of various kinds  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 08:22 PM   #27 
  - There are plenty immigrants who came to America and never learned Enligh  SpartanDem   Nov-25-11 07:08 PM   #10 
  - SpartanDem  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:37 PM   #19 
  - We're better at integrating people  XemaSab   Nov-25-11 07:10 PM   #11 
  - The U.S. has npt been all that great at integrating, especially non-whites.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 08:25 PM   #29 
  - Except for that electing a black President thing.  Nye Bevan   Nov-25-11 11:14 PM   #48 
     - Nye Bevan  Diclotican   Nov-26-11 09:05 AM   #53 
  - Part of the reason for America being "better at integration" is that anyone can be an American.  Spider Jerusalem   Nov-26-11 01:56 AM   #52 
  - There are different degrees of 'integration'  Samba   Nov-25-11 07:25 PM   #17 
  - This is a long standing problem with no obvious solution  grantcart   Nov-26-11 11:19 AM   #57 
  - I've said the shooting were just tip of iceberg,  SpartanDem   Nov-25-11 06:53 PM   #8 
  - SpartanDem  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 07:23 PM   #13 
     - I appreciate the feedback  DonCoquixote   Nov-25-11 08:05 PM   #23 
        - Not democratic, but welfare state perhaps?  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:15 PM   #25 
        - Lars77  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:30 PM   #31 
        - That was a classic progress party play  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:35 PM   #35 
           - Lars77  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 09:05 PM   #38 
        - Lars77  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:30 PM   #32 
        - DonCoquixote  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 08:20 PM   #26 
  - I have some thoughts of this subject..  Lars77   Nov-25-11 08:09 PM   #24 
  - Separate but equal  Samba   Nov-25-11 09:25 PM   #39 
  - Samba  Diclotican   Nov-25-11 10:07 PM   #43 
     - Very interesting...  Dan   Nov-26-11 08:23 PM   #65 
  - "abandoning their own culture" needs more definition  Ash_F   Nov-26-11 01:33 PM   #61 
  - Ash_F  Lars77   Nov-26-11 07:51 PM   #63 
  - The police stats from just Oslo support Lars' point that rape is done by non-Norwegian  riderinthestorm   Nov-26-11 08:09 PM   #64 
     - No way that is true. Do you have any actual statistics instead of links to stormfronters?  Ash_F   Nov-29-11 04:00 AM   #67 
  - Us vs EU  DonCoquixote   Nov-26-11 09:46 PM   #66 
  - The right wing anywhere. Grrr.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 08:28 PM   #30 
  - Diclotican and Lars77  Book Lover   Nov-25-11 11:25 PM   #50 
     - Agreed. I just read through the entire thread and here you are, saying exactly what I felt!  riderinthestorm   Nov-26-11 12:35 PM   #58 
 

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