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61. As always, thanks to bradblog for staying on top of this. REC. nt
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  -Paper Ballot Election Results Flip in UT After 'Recount' Finds Original Tally 'Extremely' Wrong BradBlog  Nov-23-11 06:32 PM   #0 
  - Our elections are a total joke...  CoffeeCat   Nov-23-11 06:40 PM   #1 
  - For Now  BeFree   Nov-23-11 06:56 PM   #4 
  - I doubt it. There was such an outcry after 2000. I was sure Democrats would do something when they  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:13 PM   #15 
  - It was after 2000 that Congress called for unverifiable electronic devices.  qb   Nov-23-11 08:58 PM   #45 
  - Do you have any basis at all for assuming they were duped?  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 03:58 AM   #150 
  - yeah...  nebenaube   Nov-24-11 12:27 AM   #69 
  - That was when I began to fear that some substantial no. of Dems were essentially corrupted.  snot   Nov-24-11 01:14 AM   #72 
  - yep, me too. n/t  2pooped2pop   Nov-24-11 09:57 AM   #114 
  - They didn't "do nothing" here - the Democratic PARTY strongly SUPPORTED the machines  saras   Nov-24-11 01:49 AM   #77 
  - GOP/rove convinced tens of millions by radio that dems/acorn/ illegals are stealing  certainot   Nov-24-11 05:26 PM   #137 
  - Yeah, it's almost like they're complicit  tavalon   Nov-24-11 07:53 AM   #101 
  - Actually,  chervilant   Nov-24-11 11:29 AM   #123 
  - It did not become obvious to me until about a year or two ago. Old habits die hard, I guess.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 04:35 AM   #153 
     - Well,  chervilant   Nov-25-11 10:27 AM   #169 
  - I thought they would too.  tblue   Nov-24-11 12:04 PM   #126 
     - the excuse they use  oldhippydude   Nov-24-11 04:21 PM   #134 
        - Very lame. That does not explain why they did not pass laws while they controlled Congress.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 04:04 AM   #151 
  - Self delete. Dupe.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:13 PM   #16 
  - UPDATE: Hand-count finds ORIGINAL tally correct...  reACTIONary   Nov-24-11 05:53 PM   #139 
  - Voting and demanding clean elections go hand in hand  bhikkhu   Nov-23-11 07:35 PM   #6 
  - We have independent pollsters making their counts, too -- which is the way  pnwmom   Nov-23-11 07:41 PM   #9 
  - A truly "independent" pollster in the Uniuted States? Who might that be?  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:20 PM   #21 
  - Not so far  quakerboy   Nov-24-11 01:42 AM   #76 
  - Just. wow. we need 2 shine some bright sunlight on this dank disihonesty & corruption.~nt  99th_Monkey   Nov-24-11 02:43 AM   #86 
     - It's not like a big secret our elections have been hacked into tiny pieces by 1%'s wood-chipper ~nt  99th_Monkey   Nov-24-11 02:45 AM   #87 
        - That is what is so telling.  dotymed   Nov-24-11 08:55 AM   #106 
  - Take note ..this is how Obama will lose in 2012  INdemo   Nov-23-11 06:44 PM   #2 
  - If that happens, I predict you will see an  Cleita   Nov-23-11 08:17 PM   #18 
  - It will be too late by then. They will call out the militarized troops.  glinda   Nov-23-11 11:46 PM   #63 
  - K & R!  lonestarnot   Nov-24-11 09:27 AM   #108 
  - I would be beyond stunned if Obama lost in 2012.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:17 PM   #19 
  - Would you be stunned enough to join us in the streets?  tavalon   Nov-24-11 07:55 AM   #102 
  - I would be happy to be in the street. Who is "us" though? Precious few out there with OWS.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 04:41 AM   #154 
  - Me too.  dotymed   Nov-24-11 09:00 AM   #107 
  - Unless the PTB decide otherwise.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-24-11 09:51 AM   #110 
  - Karl Rove's "the math" at work for America  Blue Owl   Nov-23-11 06:45 PM   #3 
  - Did Rove control Congress between January 2007 and January 2011?  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:19 PM   #20 
     - Apparently,  tavalon   Nov-24-11 07:56 AM   #103 
     - no, but 1000 invisible radio stations still sell the notion dems/illegals/acorn steal elections. and  certainot   Nov-24-11 05:29 PM   #138 
  - WTF? ..... "30% of voters next year will be voting on unverifiable touch-screen machines"?  red dog 1   Nov-23-11 07:08 PM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-11 11:00 AM   #118 
  - Dupe.  GoCubsGo   Nov-24-11 11:00 AM   #119 
  - These machines are what we need to be protesting.  drm604   Nov-23-11 07:37 PM   #7 
  - They are ONE thing we need to be protesting.  stillwaiting   Nov-23-11 08:23 PM   #22 
  - Boston went to paper ballots for the 2004 Presidential, but then went to a different form of  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:26 PM   #25 
  - "Both Parties loves them some electronics in voting"???......I don't think so!  red dog 1   Nov-23-11 11:29 PM   #62 
     - Hon, I'm afraid you need to look into some history. Seriously.  snot   Nov-24-11 01:27 AM   #75 
     - Kerry won Ohio in 2008  Chipper Chat   Nov-24-11 04:15 PM   #133 
     - If the elections in 2000 and 2004 were in fact stolen from Democrats by Republicans,  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:00 AM   #157 
     - What? An election fraud dungeon??? Why?  cui bono   Nov-24-11 06:57 PM   #141 
     - Sorry; I don't think it was actually meant as a dungeon, but . . .  snot   Nov-24-11 07:59 PM   #143 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-11 11:54 PM   #144 
     - Which federal laws were enacted? And if you are relying on Bradblog, please  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:04 AM   #158 
     - Self delete. Dupe  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:04 AM   #159 
     - "HON", .I went to DU Election Reform forum....Here's what I found ..(& it's Frightening!)  red dog 1   Nov-25-11 05:46 PM   #172 
     - HON........you're right!  red dog 1   Nov-26-11 09:25 PM   #179 
     - ""Both Parties loves them some electronics in voting"???......I don't think so!" / I do.  BradBlog   Nov-24-11 02:19 AM   #80 
     - Indeed  slay   Nov-24-11 02:28 AM   #82 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-25-11 01:00 AM   #147 
     - See post #120 re the Help America Vote Act of 2002.  patrice   Nov-24-11 11:21 AM   #121 
     - Does post # 120 show that Democrats want voting machines without a paper ballot recount option?  red dog 1   Nov-25-11 01:08 AM   #148 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-25-11 01:12 AM   #149 
        - "show"? "prove"???? Bwaa, ha, ha etc. ... don't know where you're trying to go with that. The post  patrice   Nov-25-11 09:59 AM   #168 
           - Re: how HAVA was written, by Whom, & How it was implemented & by Whom.  red dog 1   Nov-25-11 03:01 PM   #170 
     - Anything at all to support your assumption?  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 04:56 AM   #156 
        - Nope! ...I stand corrected & now see that Obama doesn't care about voting machine fraud  red dog 1   Nov-25-11 03:08 PM   #171 
           - Obama? I referred you to my posts about Congress and Boston.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 08:57 PM   #174 
              - You're Right!..."This is way bigger than Obama!"  red dog 1   Nov-26-11 04:04 PM   #176 
  - Plus one! nt  Enthusiast   Nov-24-11 03:51 AM   #90 
  - You want someone else to protest?  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:23 PM   #23 
  - Someone else?  drm604   Nov-23-11 08:37 PM   #31 
     - Someone other than yourself..  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:46 PM   #34 
        - Why shouldn't I?  drm604   Nov-23-11 09:06 PM   #50 
           - To clarify... Why shouldn't I protest?  drm604   Nov-23-11 10:39 PM   #57 
              - I think the point was  some guy   Nov-24-11 01:21 AM   #73 
                 - And my subject line said  drm604   Nov-24-11 01:24 AM   #74 
  - The list s long  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-23-11 08:57 PM   #43 
  - We need to constitutionally ban electronic voting - it's getting dangerous.  Initech   Nov-23-11 07:39 PM   #8 
  - We already passed "dangerous" in 2000  Politicalboi   Nov-23-11 07:46 PM   #11 
  - Good luck with that. (Please see replies 15 and 25.)  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:32 PM   #29 
  - We need a movement and petitions and actions NOW.  glinda   Nov-23-11 11:47 PM   #64 
  - Paper ballots. Hand counted. In public. Nothing less. n/t  Scuba   Nov-23-11 07:46 PM   #10 
  - Amen to that. n/t  Paka   Nov-23-11 07:53 PM   #12 
  - YES!!! On a national PATRIOTIC HOLIDAY for voting, begins on Friday and ends the following Tuesday.  patrice   Nov-23-11 08:08 PM   #13 
  - Great idea. n/t  Scuba   Nov-23-11 08:13 PM   #14 
  - Yeah, if we can get 4 days off for religious holidays, why not for a holiday for saving our ass by  patrice   Nov-23-11 08:29 PM   #26 
     - Saving our ass by voting on a Diebold machine?  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:43 PM   #32 
     - No. See post #10 & its sub-thread. nt  patrice   Nov-23-11 08:51 PM   #39 
        - Paper ballots, counted in public, by hand is simply not going to happen, though.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 04:16 AM   #152 
     - Patrice, I remember getting my first SS card. I was 12.  dotymed   Nov-24-11 01:09 PM   #130 
  - I'm with you, patrice.  Enthusiast   Nov-24-11 03:53 AM   #91 
  - How hopeful  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:48 PM   #36 
  - But that would be FAIR! Can't have that in this plutocracy. nt  valerief   Nov-23-11 08:49 PM   #38 
  - It's the ONLY way! n/t  bengalherder   Nov-23-11 08:52 PM   #41 
  - +1 n/t  wakemewhenitsover   Nov-23-11 10:22 PM   #56 
  - Yes  glinda   Nov-23-11 11:47 PM   #65 
  - Nothing less, nothing more.  tavalon   Nov-24-11 07:59 AM   #104 
  - I think distrust of our elections keeps ~ 25% of eligible voter home. n/t  Scuba   Nov-24-11 08:15 AM   #105 
  - Paper ballots. Hand counted. In public. Nothing less.... AMEN!  bvar22   Nov-24-11 12:17 PM   #127 
  - With international monitoring! n/t  cui bono   Nov-24-11 06:59 PM   #142 
  - No fuckin wonder we're in debt...we can't count.  russspeakeasy   Nov-23-11 08:17 PM   #17 
  - Well, our education system is not the best, but we can count, if we really want to.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:51 PM   #40 
  - Beware voter suppression psychology  L. Coyote   Nov-23-11 08:23 PM   #24 
  - ....or who they vote for turns out to be a dipfuck!  pocoloco   Nov-23-11 08:30 PM   #28 
  - What a bizarre reaction to posts about election fraud by voting machine.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:34 PM   #30 
  - Ahhhh... Ummmm....  Warren DeMontague   Nov-23-11 08:30 PM   #27 
  - SOMEWHERE along the way`  Plucketeer   Nov-23-11 08:45 PM   #33 
  - You don't sound ignorant. You sound trusting.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:55 PM   #42 
  - The name 'Diebold' comes to mind.  bengalherder   Nov-23-11 09:00 PM   #47 
  - Thanks  Plucketeer   Nov-23-11 09:20 PM   #52 
  - Thank YOU!  bengalherder   Nov-24-11 10:55 AM   #117 
  - ATM bank machines are monitored 24/7  disndat   Nov-24-11 11:51 AM   #124 
  - Not only are they not trustworthy...  Xtraneous   Nov-23-11 09:07 PM   #51 
  - Wow your town w/the lever machines  PotatoChip   Nov-24-11 07:10 AM   #97 
  - Because meat machines are even worse.  boppers   Nov-23-11 11:05 PM   #59 
  - Figures don't lie, but liers will figure. The machine is only as trust worthy as the programer. NT  Devil_Fish   Nov-24-11 12:11 AM   #66 
     - "The machine is only as trust worthy as the programer."  boppers   Nov-24-11 12:24 AM   #68 
     - liars  aquart   Nov-24-11 06:40 AM   #95 
  - Look at the geneology of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 i.e. how it was written -AND- implemented  patrice   Nov-24-11 11:18 AM   #120 
  - And this will be all over the MSM. NOT. This vote flipping is now the norm and the ruling class's  valerief   Nov-23-11 08:47 PM   #35 
  - +1. While I think Jay Z is scum for not thinking about sharing profits with the OWS movement,  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:58 PM   #44 
  - Huh.  Dj13Francis   Nov-23-11 08:49 PM   #37 
  - As always, thanks, Bradblog.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:59 PM   #46 
  - There is no citizen voting process in America. It's all a sham. I wish an army  valerief   Nov-23-11 09:02 PM   #48 
  - It's hopeless when the Dems are too weak to do or say anything even when the evidence  qb   Nov-23-11 09:04 PM   #49 
  - you've got to wonder if "weak" is the right word. I think it  bbgrunt   Nov-24-11 10:34 AM   #115 
  - Assuming they say nothing only because they are weak is, well, an assumption.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:12 AM   #160 
  - Isn't just too odd that Diebold machines never ever make a mistake  ooglymoogly   Nov-23-11 09:40 PM   #53 
  - Hi ooglymoogly.  truedelphi   Nov-27-11 02:46 PM   #181 
  - do you think Al Gore would be thinner now if he was elected president?  IamK   Nov-23-11 10:02 PM   #54 
  - Is that an anti-Gore slam or a fat joke, or both?  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:17 AM   #161 
  - we use pencil and paper in Canada  riverbendviewgal   Nov-23-11 10:16 PM   #55 
  - No problem, just stop using those pesky paper ballots that are fed into these and the plm is solved!  AllyCat   Nov-23-11 11:04 PM   #58 
  - Can't tell if you're being snarky, or if you're misinformed...  BradBlog   Nov-24-11 02:33 AM   #83 
     - Sorry for the confusion. I am completely in favor of hand counts on paper, in public  AllyCat   Nov-25-11 12:34 AM   #145 
  - Every American voter should be required to watch that video! ... Recommended  Bozita   Nov-23-11 11:11 PM   #60 
  - As always, thanks to bradblog for staying on top of this. REC. nt  bertman   Nov-23-11 11:23 PM   #61 
  - +a billion. Thanks, Brad, for your awesome service to all of us.  Zorra   Nov-24-11 12:32 AM   #70 
     - Thanks backatcha, Zorra. And if I had a staff, I know they'd thank you too! :-)  BradBlog   Nov-24-11 02:34 AM   #84 
  - kr  Norrin Radd   Nov-24-11 12:21 AM   #67 
  - K&R'd. I can't believe we're acquiescing in the use of these machines.  snot   Nov-24-11 01:12 AM   #71 
  - That's because we were browbeaten into not caring by the fucking trolls  Occulus   Nov-24-11 09:54 AM   #113 
  - Not to be a Luddite or anything...  markpkessinger   Nov-24-11 01:56 AM   #78 
  - Totally agree. Though our esteemable M$M always has its  truedelphi   Nov-24-11 03:42 AM   #88 
  - Because a lying human is harder to fix than a broken metal machine.  boppers   Nov-24-11 04:39 AM   #92 
  - If ONLY the problem were a matter of "broken" machines...  markpkessinger   Nov-24-11 11:53 AM   #125 
  - "two from each party"  boppers   Nov-25-11 08:42 PM   #173 
  - Nonsense. Those machines are not broken. If you believe that  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:27 AM   #163 
     - During the Bush years, the FBI, which was the agency one  truedelphi   Nov-27-11 02:49 PM   #182 
  - Agreed!!!!!!!!!!! Time should be less, waaaaaaaaaaaaay less, valuable than the unity of our nation.  patrice   Nov-24-11 11:29 AM   #122 
  - Good question, Mark. What do you suppose the answer is?  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:21 AM   #162 
  - Diebold Republican Electing Machinez  AndyTiedye   Nov-24-11 02:01 AM   #79 
  - BradBlog all over that shit as usual! Huge K&R! Andy Stephenson would be proud!  slay   Nov-24-11 02:24 AM   #81 
  - Thanks, Slay -- and I miss Andy...and John Gideon...every day! :-(  BradBlog   Nov-24-11 02:36 AM   #85 
  - Can you say Banana Republic?  Enthusiast   Nov-24-11 03:48 AM   #89 
  - If the machines counting the robber barons' money were so inaccurate  malaise   Nov-24-11 06:08 AM   #93 
  - This is the stuff that scares me...  AsahinaKimi   Nov-24-11 06:25 AM   #94 
  - while im scared of these damn machines  oldhippydude   Nov-24-11 01:38 PM   #132 
  - No reason to assume it was only once.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:29 AM   #164 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-11 06:40 AM   #96 
  - Can Diebold be Charged with Treason?  perdita9   Nov-24-11 07:14 AM   #98 
  - it should be treated that way... RICO  fascisthunter   Nov-24-11 09:53 AM   #112 
  - When you have all the money, you need supreme control.  mother earth   Nov-24-11 07:15 AM   #99 
  - My goodness, that's a surprise! Not.  tavalon   Nov-24-11 07:51 AM   #100 
  - Worse. They can; no government (federal, state, county, city, town) requires them to.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:31 AM   #165 
  - As long as we don't have 100% verifiable voting, we have no democracy...  polichick   Nov-24-11 09:42 AM   #109 
  - the GOP and their Machines  fascisthunter   Nov-24-11 09:52 AM   #111 
  - All those people in uniform  The Wizard   Nov-24-11 10:40 AM   #116 
  - Change We Can Believe In - Voting.  colsohlibgal   Nov-24-11 12:22 PM   #128 
  - How can these jackasses manage to sell machines that don't have public domain software review?  jimlup   Nov-24-11 12:58 PM   #129 
  - It's a shame you opposed the Holt bill. Maybe our elections would be more secure than they now are.  Fly by night   Nov-24-11 01:15 PM   #131 
  - Not a shame at all. Your elections would have been worse.  BradBlog   Nov-25-11 10:34 PM   #175 
     - K & R  red dog 1   Nov-26-11 06:09 PM   #177 
  - deposited a check into an ATM the other day....got a receipt  Gin   Nov-24-11 04:25 PM   #135 
  - the thieves will use local RW radio to generate excuses and to somehow (always) blame dems  certainot   Nov-24-11 05:17 PM   #136 
  - It's just a coincidence system errors always favor the Republicans  Life Long Dem   Nov-24-11 05:57 PM   #140 
  - Which one is the Republican in this case? It looks like machine error to me  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-25-11 04:47 AM   #155 
  - If they always favor Republicans, wouldn't you expect Democrats to do something about that?  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:36 AM   #166 
  - Okay, if a group of people want hand counts in public, how do we go about changing what is?  AllyCat   Nov-25-11 12:36 AM   #146 
  - You might start with your city hall or town hall. Also, check you state laws to see  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:42 AM   #167 
  - So basically this story amounted to nothing...  Imajika   Nov-26-11 06:12 PM   #178 
  - Well, no...  BradBlog   Nov-28-11 09:29 PM   #183 
  - Paper Ballots?  red dog 1   Nov-26-11 11:24 PM   #180 
  - lemme guess 181818?  lonestarnot   Nov-28-11 09:56 PM   #184 
 

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