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| 22. They are ONE thing we need to be protesting. |
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The entire system and way we elect our candidates must change.
Paper ballots is one very important thing that must change.
There are many others.
Removing legalized bribery, instituting publicly funded elections, imposing term limits, creating bans on serving as lobbyists/corporate BOD's/etc., creating a massively reduced campaign season - it's time to kill the circus, etc.
We need to make the system work for the people and not have a system that guarantees millions to those of us who become elected to Congress. Those days are hopefully coming to an end one day.
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| -Paper Ballot Election Results Flip in UT After 'Recount' Finds Original Tally 'Extremely' Wrong |
BradBlog |
Nov-23-11 06:32 PM |
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Our elections are a total joke... |
CoffeeCat |
Nov-23-11 06:40 PM |
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For Now |
BeFree |
Nov-23-11 06:56 PM |
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I doubt it. There was such an outcry after 2000. I was sure Democrats would do something when they |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:13 PM |
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It was after 2000 that Congress called for unverifiable electronic devices. |
qb |
Nov-23-11 08:58 PM |
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Do you have any basis at all for assuming they were duped? |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 03:58 AM |
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yeah... |
nebenaube |
Nov-24-11 12:27 AM |
#69 |
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That was when I began to fear that some substantial no. of Dems were essentially corrupted. |
snot |
Nov-24-11 01:14 AM |
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yep, me too. n/t |
2pooped2pop |
Nov-24-11 09:57 AM |
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They didn't "do nothing" here - the Democratic PARTY strongly SUPPORTED the machines |
saras |
Nov-24-11 01:49 AM |
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GOP/rove convinced tens of millions by radio that dems/acorn/ illegals are stealing |
certainot |
Nov-24-11 05:26 PM |
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Yeah, it's almost like they're complicit |
tavalon |
Nov-24-11 07:53 AM |
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Actually, |
chervilant |
Nov-24-11 11:29 AM |
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It did not become obvious to me until about a year or two ago. Old habits die hard, I guess. |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 04:35 AM |
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Well, |
chervilant |
Nov-25-11 10:27 AM |
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I thought they would too. |
tblue |
Nov-24-11 12:04 PM |
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the excuse they use |
oldhippydude |
Nov-24-11 04:21 PM |
#134 |
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Very lame. That does not explain why they did not pass laws while they controlled Congress. |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 04:04 AM |
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Self delete. Dupe. |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:13 PM |
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UPDATE: Hand-count finds ORIGINAL tally correct... |
reACTIONary |
Nov-24-11 05:53 PM |
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Voting and demanding clean elections go hand in hand |
bhikkhu |
Nov-23-11 07:35 PM |
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We have independent pollsters making their counts, too -- which is the way |
pnwmom |
Nov-23-11 07:41 PM |
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A truly "independent" pollster in the Uniuted States? Who might that be? |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:20 PM |
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Not so far |
quakerboy |
Nov-24-11 01:42 AM |
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Just. wow. we need 2 shine some bright sunlight on this dank disihonesty & corruption.~nt |
99th_Monkey |
Nov-24-11 02:43 AM |
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It's not like a big secret our elections have been hacked into tiny pieces by 1%'s wood-chipper ~nt |
99th_Monkey |
Nov-24-11 02:45 AM |
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That is what is so telling. |
dotymed |
Nov-24-11 08:55 AM |
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Take note ..this is how Obama will lose in 2012 |
INdemo |
Nov-23-11 06:44 PM |
#2 |
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If that happens, I predict you will see an |
Cleita |
Nov-23-11 08:17 PM |
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It will be too late by then. They will call out the militarized troops. |
glinda |
Nov-23-11 11:46 PM |
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K & R! |
lonestarnot |
Nov-24-11 09:27 AM |
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I would be beyond stunned if Obama lost in 2012. |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:17 PM |
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Would you be stunned enough to join us in the streets? |
tavalon |
Nov-24-11 07:55 AM |
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I would be happy to be in the street. Who is "us" though? Precious few out there with OWS. |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 04:41 AM |
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Me too. |
dotymed |
Nov-24-11 09:00 AM |
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Unless the PTB decide otherwise. |
SammyWinstonJack |
Nov-24-11 09:51 AM |
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Karl Rove's "the math" at work for America |
Blue Owl |
Nov-23-11 06:45 PM |
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Did Rove control Congress between January 2007 and January 2011? |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:19 PM |
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Apparently, |
tavalon |
Nov-24-11 07:56 AM |
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no, but 1000 invisible radio stations still sell the notion dems/illegals/acorn steal elections. and |
certainot |
Nov-24-11 05:29 PM |
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WTF? ..... "30% of voters next year will be voting on unverifiable touch-screen machines"? |
red dog 1 |
Nov-23-11 07:08 PM |
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Nov-24-11 11:00 AM |
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Dupe. |
GoCubsGo |
Nov-24-11 11:00 AM |
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These machines are what we need to be protesting. |
drm604 |
Nov-23-11 07:37 PM |
#7 |
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They are ONE thing we need to be protesting. |
stillwaiting |
Nov-23-11 08:23 PM |
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Boston went to paper ballots for the 2004 Presidential, but then went to a different form of |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:26 PM |
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"Both Parties loves them some electronics in voting"???......I don't think so! |
red dog 1 |
Nov-23-11 11:29 PM |
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Hon, I'm afraid you need to look into some history. Seriously. |
snot |
Nov-24-11 01:27 AM |
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Kerry won Ohio in 2008 |
Chipper Chat |
Nov-24-11 04:15 PM |
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If the elections in 2000 and 2004 were in fact stolen from Democrats by Republicans, |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 05:00 AM |
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What? An election fraud dungeon??? Why? |
cui bono |
Nov-24-11 06:57 PM |
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Sorry; I don't think it was actually meant as a dungeon, but . . . |
snot |
Nov-24-11 07:59 PM |
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Nov-24-11 11:54 PM |
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Which federal laws were enacted? And if you are relying on Bradblog, please |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 05:04 AM |
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Self delete. Dupe |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 05:04 AM |
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"HON", .I went to DU Election Reform forum....Here's what I found ..(& it's Frightening!) |
red dog 1 |
Nov-25-11 05:46 PM |
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HON........you're right! |
red dog 1 |
Nov-26-11 09:25 PM |
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""Both Parties loves them some electronics in voting"???......I don't think so!" / I do. |
BradBlog |
Nov-24-11 02:19 AM |
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Indeed |
slay |
Nov-24-11 02:28 AM |
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Name removed |
Nov-25-11 01:00 AM |
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See post #120 re the Help America Vote Act of 2002. |
patrice |
Nov-24-11 11:21 AM |
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Does post # 120 show that Democrats want voting machines without a paper ballot recount option? |
red dog 1 |
Nov-25-11 01:08 AM |
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Nov-25-11 01:12 AM |
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"show"? "prove"???? Bwaa, ha, ha etc. ... don't know where you're trying to go with that. The post |
patrice |
Nov-25-11 09:59 AM |
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Re: how HAVA was written, by Whom, & How it was implemented & by Whom. |
red dog 1 |
Nov-25-11 03:01 PM |
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Anything at all to support your assumption? |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 04:56 AM |
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Nope! ...I stand corrected & now see that Obama doesn't care about voting machine fraud |
red dog 1 |
Nov-25-11 03:08 PM |
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Obama? I referred you to my posts about Congress and Boston. |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 08:57 PM |
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You're Right!..."This is way bigger than Obama!" |
red dog 1 |
Nov-26-11 04:04 PM |
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Plus one! nt |
Enthusiast |
Nov-24-11 03:51 AM |
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You want someone else to protest? |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:23 PM |
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Someone else? |
drm604 |
Nov-23-11 08:37 PM |
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Someone other than yourself.. |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:46 PM |
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Why shouldn't I? |
drm604 |
Nov-23-11 09:06 PM |
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To clarify... Why shouldn't I protest? |
drm604 |
Nov-23-11 10:39 PM |
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I think the point was |
some guy |
Nov-24-11 01:21 AM |
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And my subject line said |
drm604 |
Nov-24-11 01:24 AM |
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The list s long |
nadinbrzezinski |
Nov-23-11 08:57 PM |
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We need to constitutionally ban electronic voting - it's getting dangerous. |
Initech |
Nov-23-11 07:39 PM |
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We already passed "dangerous" in 2000 |
Politicalboi |
Nov-23-11 07:46 PM |
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Good luck with that. (Please see replies 15 and 25.) |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:32 PM |
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We need a movement and petitions and actions NOW. |
glinda |
Nov-23-11 11:47 PM |
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Paper ballots. Hand counted. In public. Nothing less. n/t |
Scuba |
Nov-23-11 07:46 PM |
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Amen to that. n/t |
Paka |
Nov-23-11 07:53 PM |
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YES!!! On a national PATRIOTIC HOLIDAY for voting, begins on Friday and ends the following Tuesday. |
patrice |
Nov-23-11 08:08 PM |
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Great idea. n/t |
Scuba |
Nov-23-11 08:13 PM |
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Yeah, if we can get 4 days off for religious holidays, why not for a holiday for saving our ass by |
patrice |
Nov-23-11 08:29 PM |
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Saving our ass by voting on a Diebold machine? |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:43 PM |
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No. See post #10 & its sub-thread. nt |
patrice |
Nov-23-11 08:51 PM |
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Paper ballots, counted in public, by hand is simply not going to happen, though. |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 04:16 AM |
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Patrice, I remember getting my first SS card. I was 12. |
dotymed |
Nov-24-11 01:09 PM |
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I'm with you, patrice. |
Enthusiast |
Nov-24-11 03:53 AM |
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How hopeful |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:48 PM |
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But that would be FAIR! Can't have that in this plutocracy. nt |
valerief |
Nov-23-11 08:49 PM |
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It's the ONLY way! n/t |
bengalherder |
Nov-23-11 08:52 PM |
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+1 n/t |
wakemewhenitsover |
Nov-23-11 10:22 PM |
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Yes |
glinda |
Nov-23-11 11:47 PM |
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Nothing less, nothing more. |
tavalon |
Nov-24-11 07:59 AM |
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I think distrust of our elections keeps ~ 25% of eligible voter home. n/t |
Scuba |
Nov-24-11 08:15 AM |
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Paper ballots. Hand counted. In public. Nothing less.... AMEN! |
bvar22 |
Nov-24-11 12:17 PM |
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With international monitoring! n/t |
cui bono |
Nov-24-11 06:59 PM |
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No fuckin wonder we're in debt...we can't count. |
russspeakeasy |
Nov-23-11 08:17 PM |
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Well, our education system is not the best, but we can count, if we really want to. |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:51 PM |
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Beware voter suppression psychology |
L. Coyote |
Nov-23-11 08:23 PM |
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....or who they vote for turns out to be a dipfuck! |
pocoloco |
Nov-23-11 08:30 PM |
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What a bizarre reaction to posts about election fraud by voting machine. |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:34 PM |
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Ahhhh... Ummmm.... |
Warren DeMontague |
Nov-23-11 08:30 PM |
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SOMEWHERE along the way` |
Plucketeer |
Nov-23-11 08:45 PM |
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You don't sound ignorant. You sound trusting. |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:55 PM |
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The name 'Diebold' comes to mind. |
bengalherder |
Nov-23-11 09:00 PM |
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Thanks |
Plucketeer |
Nov-23-11 09:20 PM |
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Thank YOU! |
bengalherder |
Nov-24-11 10:55 AM |
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ATM bank machines are monitored 24/7 |
disndat |
Nov-24-11 11:51 AM |
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Not only are they not trustworthy... |
Xtraneous |
Nov-23-11 09:07 PM |
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Wow your town w/the lever machines |
PotatoChip |
Nov-24-11 07:10 AM |
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Because meat machines are even worse. |
boppers |
Nov-23-11 11:05 PM |
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Figures don't lie, but liers will figure. The machine is only as trust worthy as the programer. NT |
Devil_Fish |
Nov-24-11 12:11 AM |
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"The machine is only as trust worthy as the programer." |
boppers |
Nov-24-11 12:24 AM |
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liars |
aquart |
Nov-24-11 06:40 AM |
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Look at the geneology of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 i.e. how it was written -AND- implemented |
patrice |
Nov-24-11 11:18 AM |
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And this will be all over the MSM. NOT. This vote flipping is now the norm and the ruling class's |
valerief |
Nov-23-11 08:47 PM |
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+1. While I think Jay Z is scum for not thinking about sharing profits with the OWS movement, |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:58 PM |
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Huh. |
Dj13Francis |
Nov-23-11 08:49 PM |
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As always, thanks, Bradblog. |
No Elephants |
Nov-23-11 08:59 PM |
#46 |
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There is no citizen voting process in America. It's all a sham. I wish an army |
valerief |
Nov-23-11 09:02 PM |
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It's hopeless when the Dems are too weak to do or say anything even when the evidence |
qb |
Nov-23-11 09:04 PM |
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you've got to wonder if "weak" is the right word. I think it |
bbgrunt |
Nov-24-11 10:34 AM |
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Assuming they say nothing only because they are weak is, well, an assumption. |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 05:12 AM |
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Isn't just too odd that Diebold machines never ever make a mistake |
ooglymoogly |
Nov-23-11 09:40 PM |
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Hi ooglymoogly. |
truedelphi |
Nov-27-11 02:46 PM |
#181 |
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do you think Al Gore would be thinner now if he was elected president? |
IamK |
Nov-23-11 10:02 PM |
#54 |
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Is that an anti-Gore slam or a fat joke, or both? |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 05:17 AM |
#161 |
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we use pencil and paper in Canada |
riverbendviewgal |
Nov-23-11 10:16 PM |
#55 |
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No problem, just stop using those pesky paper ballots that are fed into these and the plm is solved! |
AllyCat |
Nov-23-11 11:04 PM |
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Can't tell if you're being snarky, or if you're misinformed... |
BradBlog |
Nov-24-11 02:33 AM |
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Sorry for the confusion. I am completely in favor of hand counts on paper, in public |
AllyCat |
Nov-25-11 12:34 AM |
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Every American voter should be required to watch that video! ... Recommended |
Bozita |
Nov-23-11 11:11 PM |
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As always, thanks to bradblog for staying on top of this. REC. nt |
bertman |
Nov-23-11 11:23 PM |
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+a billion. Thanks, Brad, for your awesome service to all of us. |
Zorra |
Nov-24-11 12:32 AM |
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Thanks backatcha, Zorra. And if I had a staff, I know they'd thank you too! :-) |
BradBlog |
Nov-24-11 02:34 AM |
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kr |
Norrin Radd |
Nov-24-11 12:21 AM |
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K&R'd. I can't believe we're acquiescing in the use of these machines. |
snot |
Nov-24-11 01:12 AM |
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That's because we were browbeaten into not caring by the fucking trolls |
Occulus |
Nov-24-11 09:54 AM |
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Not to be a Luddite or anything... |
markpkessinger |
Nov-24-11 01:56 AM |
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Totally agree. Though our esteemable M$M always has its |
truedelphi |
Nov-24-11 03:42 AM |
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Because a lying human is harder to fix than a broken metal machine. |
boppers |
Nov-24-11 04:39 AM |
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If ONLY the problem were a matter of "broken" machines... |
markpkessinger |
Nov-24-11 11:53 AM |
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"two from each party" |
boppers |
Nov-25-11 08:42 PM |
#173 |
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Nonsense. Those machines are not broken. If you believe that |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 05:27 AM |
#163 |
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During the Bush years, the FBI, which was the agency one |
truedelphi |
Nov-27-11 02:49 PM |
#182 |
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Agreed!!!!!!!!!!! Time should be less, waaaaaaaaaaaaay less, valuable than the unity of our nation. |
patrice |
Nov-24-11 11:29 AM |
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Good question, Mark. What do you suppose the answer is? |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 05:21 AM |
#162 |
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Diebold Republican Electing Machinez |
AndyTiedye |
Nov-24-11 02:01 AM |
#79 |
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BradBlog all over that shit as usual! Huge K&R! Andy Stephenson would be proud! |
slay |
Nov-24-11 02:24 AM |
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Thanks, Slay -- and I miss Andy...and John Gideon...every day! :-( |
BradBlog |
Nov-24-11 02:36 AM |
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Can you say Banana Republic? |
Enthusiast |
Nov-24-11 03:48 AM |
#89 |
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If the machines counting the robber barons' money were so inaccurate |
malaise |
Nov-24-11 06:08 AM |
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This is the stuff that scares me... |
AsahinaKimi |
Nov-24-11 06:25 AM |
#94 |
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while im scared of these damn machines |
oldhippydude |
Nov-24-11 01:38 PM |
#132 |
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No reason to assume it was only once. |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 05:29 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-24-11 06:40 AM |
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Can Diebold be Charged with Treason? |
perdita9 |
Nov-24-11 07:14 AM |
#98 |
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it should be treated that way... RICO |
fascisthunter |
Nov-24-11 09:53 AM |
#112 |
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When you have all the money, you need supreme control. |
mother earth |
Nov-24-11 07:15 AM |
#99 |
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My goodness, that's a surprise! Not. |
tavalon |
Nov-24-11 07:51 AM |
#100 |
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Worse. They can; no government (federal, state, county, city, town) requires them to. |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 05:31 AM |
#165 |
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As long as we don't have 100% verifiable voting, we have no democracy... |
polichick |
Nov-24-11 09:42 AM |
#109 |
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the GOP and their Machines |
fascisthunter |
Nov-24-11 09:52 AM |
#111 |
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All those people in uniform |
The Wizard |
Nov-24-11 10:40 AM |
#116 |
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Change We Can Believe In - Voting. |
colsohlibgal |
Nov-24-11 12:22 PM |
#128 |
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How can these jackasses manage to sell machines that don't have public domain software review? |
jimlup |
Nov-24-11 12:58 PM |
#129 |
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It's a shame you opposed the Holt bill. Maybe our elections would be more secure than they now are. |
Fly by night |
Nov-24-11 01:15 PM |
#131 |
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Not a shame at all. Your elections would have been worse. |
BradBlog |
Nov-25-11 10:34 PM |
#175 |
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K & R |
red dog 1 |
Nov-26-11 06:09 PM |
#177 |
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deposited a check into an ATM the other day....got a receipt |
Gin |
Nov-24-11 04:25 PM |
#135 |
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the thieves will use local RW radio to generate excuses and to somehow (always) blame dems |
certainot |
Nov-24-11 05:17 PM |
#136 |
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It's just a coincidence system errors always favor the Republicans |
Life Long Dem |
Nov-24-11 05:57 PM |
#140 |
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Which one is the Republican in this case? It looks like machine error to me |
muriel_volestrangler |
Nov-25-11 04:47 AM |
#155 |
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If they always favor Republicans, wouldn't you expect Democrats to do something about that? |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 05:36 AM |
#166 |
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Okay, if a group of people want hand counts in public, how do we go about changing what is? |
AllyCat |
Nov-25-11 12:36 AM |
#146 |
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You might start with your city hall or town hall. Also, check you state laws to see |
No Elephants |
Nov-25-11 05:42 AM |
#167 |
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So basically this story amounted to nothing... |
Imajika |
Nov-26-11 06:12 PM |
#178 |
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Well, no... |
BradBlog |
Nov-28-11 09:29 PM |
#183 |
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Paper Ballots? |
red dog 1 |
Nov-26-11 11:24 PM |
#180 |
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lemme guess 181818? |
lonestarnot |
Nov-28-11 09:56 PM |
#184 |
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