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Paper Ballot Election Results Flip in UT After 'Recount' Finds Original Tally 'Extremely' Wrong
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Paper Ballot Op-Scan Election Results in Utah Flipped After 'Recount' Finds New Tally 'Extremely in Favor of Opposite Candidate'
'We're doing recounts of recounts of recounts,' says candidate announced as 'loser' on Election Night...

After the Municipal Council elections in Provo, Utah on November 8, residents had been told that Gary Winterton had narrowly defeated Bonnie Morrow for the District 1 seat --- by just 9 votes.

The margin was close enough that Morrow was allowed to ask for a recount of the paper ballots which were tallied on Election Night by the city's optical scan systems made by Diebold Election Systems, Inc. (Following years of failure of Diebold's voting systems, the company changed their name to Premier, only to see the assets of the failing company finally purchased last year by Dominion Voting, a Canadian firm which now services the machines.) The same optical scan systems are used all over the country, and are set once again for use in the New Hampshire's "first in the nation" GOP Presidential primary to be held in January.

The first "recount" of Provo's Municipal Council District 1 ballots --- carried out on the same op-scan systems that tallied them in the first place --- was held yesterday, only to be abruptly called off when the results were found to be "extremely in favor of the opposite candidate"


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  -Paper Ballot Election Results Flip in UT After 'Recount' Finds Original Tally 'Extremely' Wrong BradBlog  Nov-23-11 06:32 PM   #0 
  - Our elections are a total joke...  CoffeeCat   Nov-23-11 06:40 PM   #1 
  - For Now  BeFree   Nov-23-11 06:56 PM   #4 
  - I doubt it. There was such an outcry after 2000. I was sure Democrats would do something when they  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:13 PM   #15 
  - It was after 2000 that Congress called for unverifiable electronic devices.  qb   Nov-23-11 08:58 PM   #45 
  - Do you have any basis at all for assuming they were duped?  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 03:58 AM   #150 
  - yeah...  nebenaube   Nov-24-11 12:27 AM   #69 
  - That was when I began to fear that some substantial no. of Dems were essentially corrupted.  snot   Nov-24-11 01:14 AM   #72 
  - yep, me too. n/t  2pooped2pop   Nov-24-11 09:57 AM   #114 
  - They didn't "do nothing" here - the Democratic PARTY strongly SUPPORTED the machines  saras   Nov-24-11 01:49 AM   #77 
  - GOP/rove convinced tens of millions by radio that dems/acorn/ illegals are stealing  certainot   Nov-24-11 05:26 PM   #137 
  - Yeah, it's almost like they're complicit  tavalon   Nov-24-11 07:53 AM   #101 
  - Actually,  chervilant   Nov-24-11 11:29 AM   #123 
  - It did not become obvious to me until about a year or two ago. Old habits die hard, I guess.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 04:35 AM   #153 
     - Well,  chervilant   Nov-25-11 10:27 AM   #169 
  - I thought they would too.  tblue   Nov-24-11 12:04 PM   #126 
     - the excuse they use  oldhippydude   Nov-24-11 04:21 PM   #134 
        - Very lame. That does not explain why they did not pass laws while they controlled Congress.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 04:04 AM   #151 
  - Self delete. Dupe.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:13 PM   #16 
  - UPDATE: Hand-count finds ORIGINAL tally correct...  reACTIONary   Nov-24-11 05:53 PM   #139 
  - Voting and demanding clean elections go hand in hand  bhikkhu   Nov-23-11 07:35 PM   #6 
  - We have independent pollsters making their counts, too -- which is the way  pnwmom   Nov-23-11 07:41 PM   #9 
  - A truly "independent" pollster in the Uniuted States? Who might that be?  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:20 PM   #21 
  - Not so far  quakerboy   Nov-24-11 01:42 AM   #76 
  - Just. wow. we need 2 shine some bright sunlight on this dank disihonesty & corruption.~nt  99th_Monkey   Nov-24-11 02:43 AM   #86 
     - It's not like a big secret our elections have been hacked into tiny pieces by 1%'s wood-chipper ~nt  99th_Monkey   Nov-24-11 02:45 AM   #87 
        - That is what is so telling.  dotymed   Nov-24-11 08:55 AM   #106 
  - Take note ..this is how Obama will lose in 2012  INdemo   Nov-23-11 06:44 PM   #2 
  - If that happens, I predict you will see an  Cleita   Nov-23-11 08:17 PM   #18 
  - It will be too late by then. They will call out the militarized troops.  glinda   Nov-23-11 11:46 PM   #63 
  - K & R!  lonestarnot   Nov-24-11 09:27 AM   #108 
  - I would be beyond stunned if Obama lost in 2012.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:17 PM   #19 
  - Would you be stunned enough to join us in the streets?  tavalon   Nov-24-11 07:55 AM   #102 
  - I would be happy to be in the street. Who is "us" though? Precious few out there with OWS.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 04:41 AM   #154 
  - Me too.  dotymed   Nov-24-11 09:00 AM   #107 
  - Unless the PTB decide otherwise.  SammyWinstonJack   Nov-24-11 09:51 AM   #110 
  - Karl Rove's "the math" at work for America  Blue Owl   Nov-23-11 06:45 PM   #3 
  - Did Rove control Congress between January 2007 and January 2011?  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:19 PM   #20 
     - Apparently,  tavalon   Nov-24-11 07:56 AM   #103 
     - no, but 1000 invisible radio stations still sell the notion dems/illegals/acorn steal elections. and  certainot   Nov-24-11 05:29 PM   #138 
  - WTF? ..... "30% of voters next year will be voting on unverifiable touch-screen machines"?  red dog 1   Nov-23-11 07:08 PM   #5 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-11 11:00 AM   #118 
  - Dupe.  GoCubsGo   Nov-24-11 11:00 AM   #119 
  - These machines are what we need to be protesting.  drm604   Nov-23-11 07:37 PM   #7 
  - They are ONE thing we need to be protesting.  stillwaiting   Nov-23-11 08:23 PM   #22 
  - Boston went to paper ballots for the 2004 Presidential, but then went to a different form of  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:26 PM   #25 
  - "Both Parties loves them some electronics in voting"???......I don't think so!  red dog 1   Nov-23-11 11:29 PM   #62 
     - Hon, I'm afraid you need to look into some history. Seriously.  snot   Nov-24-11 01:27 AM   #75 
     - Kerry won Ohio in 2008  Chipper Chat   Nov-24-11 04:15 PM   #133 
     - If the elections in 2000 and 2004 were in fact stolen from Democrats by Republicans,  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:00 AM   #157 
     - What? An election fraud dungeon??? Why?  cui bono   Nov-24-11 06:57 PM   #141 
     - Sorry; I don't think it was actually meant as a dungeon, but . . .  snot   Nov-24-11 07:59 PM   #143 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-11 11:54 PM   #144 
     - Which federal laws were enacted? And if you are relying on Bradblog, please  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:04 AM   #158 
     - Self delete. Dupe  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:04 AM   #159 
     - "HON", .I went to DU Election Reform forum....Here's what I found ..(& it's Frightening!)  red dog 1   Nov-25-11 05:46 PM   #172 
     -'re right!  red dog 1   Nov-26-11 09:25 PM   #179 
     - ""Both Parties loves them some electronics in voting"???......I don't think so!" / I do.  BradBlog   Nov-24-11 02:19 AM   #80 
     - Indeed  slay   Nov-24-11 02:28 AM   #82 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-25-11 01:00 AM   #147 
     - See post #120 re the Help America Vote Act of 2002.  patrice   Nov-24-11 11:21 AM   #121 
     - Does post # 120 show that Democrats want voting machines without a paper ballot recount option?  red dog 1   Nov-25-11 01:08 AM   #148 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-25-11 01:12 AM   #149 
        - "show"? "prove"???? Bwaa, ha, ha etc. ... don't know where you're trying to go with that. The post  patrice   Nov-25-11 09:59 AM   #168 
           - Re: how HAVA was written, by Whom, & How it was implemented & by Whom.  red dog 1   Nov-25-11 03:01 PM   #170 
     - Anything at all to support your assumption?  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 04:56 AM   #156 
        - Nope! ...I stand corrected & now see that Obama doesn't care about voting machine fraud  red dog 1   Nov-25-11 03:08 PM   #171 
           - Obama? I referred you to my posts about Congress and Boston.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 08:57 PM   #174 
              - You're Right!..."This is way bigger than Obama!"  red dog 1   Nov-26-11 04:04 PM   #176 
  - Plus one! nt  Enthusiast   Nov-24-11 03:51 AM   #90 
  - You want someone else to protest?  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:23 PM   #23 
  - Someone else?  drm604   Nov-23-11 08:37 PM   #31 
     - Someone other than yourself..  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:46 PM   #34 
        - Why shouldn't I?  drm604   Nov-23-11 09:06 PM   #50 
           - To clarify... Why shouldn't I protest?  drm604   Nov-23-11 10:39 PM   #57 
              - I think the point was  some guy   Nov-24-11 01:21 AM   #73 
                 - And my subject line said  drm604   Nov-24-11 01:24 AM   #74 
  - The list s long  nadinbrzezinski   Nov-23-11 08:57 PM   #43 
  - We need to constitutionally ban electronic voting - it's getting dangerous.  Initech   Nov-23-11 07:39 PM   #8 
  - We already passed "dangerous" in 2000  Politicalboi   Nov-23-11 07:46 PM   #11 
  - Good luck with that. (Please see replies 15 and 25.)  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:32 PM   #29 
  - We need a movement and petitions and actions NOW.  glinda   Nov-23-11 11:47 PM   #64 
  - Paper ballots. Hand counted. In public. Nothing less. n/t  Scuba   Nov-23-11 07:46 PM   #10 
  - Amen to that. n/t  Paka   Nov-23-11 07:53 PM   #12 
  - YES!!! On a national PATRIOTIC HOLIDAY for voting, begins on Friday and ends the following Tuesday.  patrice   Nov-23-11 08:08 PM   #13 
  - Great idea. n/t  Scuba   Nov-23-11 08:13 PM   #14 
  - Yeah, if we can get 4 days off for religious holidays, why not for a holiday for saving our ass by  patrice   Nov-23-11 08:29 PM   #26 
     - Saving our ass by voting on a Diebold machine?  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:43 PM   #32 
     - No. See post #10 & its sub-thread. nt  patrice   Nov-23-11 08:51 PM   #39 
        - Paper ballots, counted in public, by hand is simply not going to happen, though.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 04:16 AM   #152 
     - Patrice, I remember getting my first SS card. I was 12.  dotymed   Nov-24-11 01:09 PM   #130 
  - I'm with you, patrice.  Enthusiast   Nov-24-11 03:53 AM   #91 
  - How hopeful  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:48 PM   #36 
  - But that would be FAIR! Can't have that in this plutocracy. nt  valerief   Nov-23-11 08:49 PM   #38 
  - It's the ONLY way! n/t  bengalherder   Nov-23-11 08:52 PM   #41 
  - +1 n/t  wakemewhenitsover   Nov-23-11 10:22 PM   #56 
  - Yes  glinda   Nov-23-11 11:47 PM   #65 
  - Nothing less, nothing more.  tavalon   Nov-24-11 07:59 AM   #104 
  - I think distrust of our elections keeps ~ 25% of eligible voter home. n/t  Scuba   Nov-24-11 08:15 AM   #105 
  - Paper ballots. Hand counted. In public. Nothing less.... AMEN!  bvar22   Nov-24-11 12:17 PM   #127 
  - With international monitoring! n/t  cui bono   Nov-24-11 06:59 PM   #142 
  - No fuckin wonder we're in debt...we can't count.  russspeakeasy   Nov-23-11 08:17 PM   #17 
  - Well, our education system is not the best, but we can count, if we really want to.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:51 PM   #40 
  - Beware voter suppression psychology  L. Coyote   Nov-23-11 08:23 PM   #24 
  - ....or who they vote for turns out to be a dipfuck!  pocoloco   Nov-23-11 08:30 PM   #28 
  - What a bizarre reaction to posts about election fraud by voting machine.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:34 PM   #30 
  - Ahhhh... Ummmm....  Warren DeMontague   Nov-23-11 08:30 PM   #27 
  - SOMEWHERE along the way`  Plucketeer   Nov-23-11 08:45 PM   #33 
  - You don't sound ignorant. You sound trusting.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:55 PM   #42 
  - The name 'Diebold' comes to mind.  bengalherder   Nov-23-11 09:00 PM   #47 
  - Thanks  Plucketeer   Nov-23-11 09:20 PM   #52 
  - Thank YOU!  bengalherder   Nov-24-11 10:55 AM   #117 
  - ATM bank machines are monitored 24/7  disndat   Nov-24-11 11:51 AM   #124 
  - Not only are they not trustworthy...  Xtraneous   Nov-23-11 09:07 PM   #51 
  - Wow your town w/the lever machines  PotatoChip   Nov-24-11 07:10 AM   #97 
  - Because meat machines are even worse.  boppers   Nov-23-11 11:05 PM   #59 
  - Figures don't lie, but liers will figure. The machine is only as trust worthy as the programer. NT  Devil_Fish   Nov-24-11 12:11 AM   #66 
     - "The machine is only as trust worthy as the programer."  boppers   Nov-24-11 12:24 AM   #68 
     - liars  aquart   Nov-24-11 06:40 AM   #95 
  - Look at the geneology of the Help America Vote Act of 2002 i.e. how it was written -AND- implemented  patrice   Nov-24-11 11:18 AM   #120 
  - And this will be all over the MSM. NOT. This vote flipping is now the norm and the ruling class's  valerief   Nov-23-11 08:47 PM   #35 
  - +1. While I think Jay Z is scum for not thinking about sharing profits with the OWS movement,  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:58 PM   #44 
  - Huh.  Dj13Francis   Nov-23-11 08:49 PM   #37 
  - As always, thanks, Bradblog.  No Elephants   Nov-23-11 08:59 PM   #46 
  - There is no citizen voting process in America. It's all a sham. I wish an army  valerief   Nov-23-11 09:02 PM   #48 
  - It's hopeless when the Dems are too weak to do or say anything even when the evidence  qb   Nov-23-11 09:04 PM   #49 
  - you've got to wonder if "weak" is the right word. I think it  bbgrunt   Nov-24-11 10:34 AM   #115 
  - Assuming they say nothing only because they are weak is, well, an assumption.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:12 AM   #160 
  - Isn't just too odd that Diebold machines never ever make a mistake  ooglymoogly   Nov-23-11 09:40 PM   #53 
  - Hi ooglymoogly.  truedelphi   Nov-27-11 02:46 PM   #181 
  - do you think Al Gore would be thinner now if he was elected president?  IamK   Nov-23-11 10:02 PM   #54 
  - Is that an anti-Gore slam or a fat joke, or both?  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:17 AM   #161 
  - we use pencil and paper in Canada  riverbendviewgal   Nov-23-11 10:16 PM   #55 
  - No problem, just stop using those pesky paper ballots that are fed into these and the plm is solved!  AllyCat   Nov-23-11 11:04 PM   #58 
  - Can't tell if you're being snarky, or if you're misinformed...  BradBlog   Nov-24-11 02:33 AM   #83 
     - Sorry for the confusion. I am completely in favor of hand counts on paper, in public  AllyCat   Nov-25-11 12:34 AM   #145 
  - Every American voter should be required to watch that video! ... Recommended  Bozita   Nov-23-11 11:11 PM   #60 
  - As always, thanks to bradblog for staying on top of this. REC. nt  bertman   Nov-23-11 11:23 PM   #61 
  - +a billion. Thanks, Brad, for your awesome service to all of us.  Zorra   Nov-24-11 12:32 AM   #70 
     - Thanks backatcha, Zorra. And if I had a staff, I know they'd thank you too! :-)  BradBlog   Nov-24-11 02:34 AM   #84 
  - kr  Norrin Radd   Nov-24-11 12:21 AM   #67 
  - K&R'd. I can't believe we're acquiescing in the use of these machines.  snot   Nov-24-11 01:12 AM   #71 
  - That's because we were browbeaten into not caring by the fucking trolls  Occulus   Nov-24-11 09:54 AM   #113 
  - Not to be a Luddite or anything...  markpkessinger   Nov-24-11 01:56 AM   #78 
  - Totally agree. Though our esteemable M$M always has its  truedelphi   Nov-24-11 03:42 AM   #88 
  - Because a lying human is harder to fix than a broken metal machine.  boppers   Nov-24-11 04:39 AM   #92 
  - If ONLY the problem were a matter of "broken" machines...  markpkessinger   Nov-24-11 11:53 AM   #125 
  - "two from each party"  boppers   Nov-25-11 08:42 PM   #173 
  - Nonsense. Those machines are not broken. If you believe that  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:27 AM   #163 
     - During the Bush years, the FBI, which was the agency one  truedelphi   Nov-27-11 02:49 PM   #182 
  - Agreed!!!!!!!!!!! Time should be less, waaaaaaaaaaaaay less, valuable than the unity of our nation.  patrice   Nov-24-11 11:29 AM   #122 
  - Good question, Mark. What do you suppose the answer is?  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:21 AM   #162 
  - Diebold Republican Electing Machinez  AndyTiedye   Nov-24-11 02:01 AM   #79 
  - BradBlog all over that shit as usual! Huge K&R! Andy Stephenson would be proud!  slay   Nov-24-11 02:24 AM   #81 
  - Thanks, Slay -- and I miss Andy...and John Gideon...every day! :-(  BradBlog   Nov-24-11 02:36 AM   #85 
  - Can you say Banana Republic?  Enthusiast   Nov-24-11 03:48 AM   #89 
  - If the machines counting the robber barons' money were so inaccurate  malaise   Nov-24-11 06:08 AM   #93 
  - This is the stuff that scares me...  AsahinaKimi   Nov-24-11 06:25 AM   #94 
  - while im scared of these damn machines  oldhippydude   Nov-24-11 01:38 PM   #132 
  - No reason to assume it was only once.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:29 AM   #164 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Nov-24-11 06:40 AM   #96 
  - Can Diebold be Charged with Treason?  perdita9   Nov-24-11 07:14 AM   #98 
  - it should be treated that way... RICO  fascisthunter   Nov-24-11 09:53 AM   #112 
  - When you have all the money, you need supreme control.  mother earth   Nov-24-11 07:15 AM   #99 
  - My goodness, that's a surprise! Not.  tavalon   Nov-24-11 07:51 AM   #100 
  - Worse. They can; no government (federal, state, county, city, town) requires them to.  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:31 AM   #165 
  - As long as we don't have 100% verifiable voting, we have no democracy...  polichick   Nov-24-11 09:42 AM   #109 
  - the GOP and their Machines  fascisthunter   Nov-24-11 09:52 AM   #111 
  - All those people in uniform  The Wizard   Nov-24-11 10:40 AM   #116 
  - Change We Can Believe In - Voting.  colsohlibgal   Nov-24-11 12:22 PM   #128 
  - How can these jackasses manage to sell machines that don't have public domain software review?  jimlup   Nov-24-11 12:58 PM   #129 
  - It's a shame you opposed the Holt bill. Maybe our elections would be more secure than they now are.  Fly by night   Nov-24-11 01:15 PM   #131 
  - Not a shame at all. Your elections would have been worse.  BradBlog   Nov-25-11 10:34 PM   #175 
     - K & R  red dog 1   Nov-26-11 06:09 PM   #177 
  - deposited a check into an ATM the other a receipt  Gin   Nov-24-11 04:25 PM   #135 
  - the thieves will use local RW radio to generate excuses and to somehow (always) blame dems  certainot   Nov-24-11 05:17 PM   #136 
  - It's just a coincidence system errors always favor the Republicans  Life Long Dem   Nov-24-11 05:57 PM   #140 
  - Which one is the Republican in this case? It looks like machine error to me  muriel_volestrangler   Nov-25-11 04:47 AM   #155 
  - If they always favor Republicans, wouldn't you expect Democrats to do something about that?  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:36 AM   #166 
  - Okay, if a group of people want hand counts in public, how do we go about changing what is?  AllyCat   Nov-25-11 12:36 AM   #146 
  - You might start with your city hall or town hall. Also, check you state laws to see  No Elephants   Nov-25-11 05:42 AM   #167 
  - So basically this story amounted to nothing...  Imajika   Nov-26-11 06:12 PM   #178 
  - Well, no...  BradBlog   Nov-28-11 09:29 PM   #183 
  - Paper Ballots?  red dog 1   Nov-26-11 11:24 PM   #180 
  - lemme guess 181818?  lonestarnot   Nov-28-11 09:56 PM   #184 

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