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Wed Nov-16-11 04:24 PM
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...is fighting to regain the ability to speak, as a result of trying to exercise his first amendment rights. Fuck a poll, and fuck the reelection chances of politicians who stand by silently or even order police to attack unarmed demonstrators. The nerve of those people, making us look bad by pointing out that literally we are tweedle dee and tweedle dum!   |
| -Occupy Wall Street Favor Fading |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-16-11 10:03 AM |
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there were 10,000 people at Spoul Hall last night |
CountAllVotes |
Nov-16-11 10:05 AM |
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But how are voters perceiving those crowds? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-16-11 11:47 AM |
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The voters are probably hoping for a Kim Kardasian run for Prez. |
lebkuchen |
Nov-16-11 01:12 PM |
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Voters were persuaded to elect Obama in 2008, and Democratic Congresses in 2006 and 2008 |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-16-11 01:38 PM |
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Given a billion bucks and an obedient media, voters could be persuaded to almost anything. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 04:25 PM |
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Marketing strategies have become so sophisticated that the populace is... |
Islandlife |
Nov-28-11 11:57 AM |
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Don't crowds vote? |
Canuckistanian |
Nov-16-11 03:40 PM |
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Doh! Those thousands and thousands of people ARE voters. |
Matariki |
Nov-18-11 03:10 AM |
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looked up Sproul Hall on the internets, and you're right |
wordpix |
Nov-16-11 09:49 PM |
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Interesting. See also |
emulatorloo |
Nov-16-11 10:06 AM |
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Non-stop unfavorable treatment from the MSM will do that to a non-thinking public. |
NRaleighLiberal |
Nov-16-11 10:07 AM |
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We need to promote strong alternative sources of media to our friends and family. |
stillwaiting |
Nov-16-11 11:07 AM |
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Perhaps OWS should adopt less objectionable methods to garner public favor |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-16-11 11:55 AM |
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What is less objectionable than peaceful, democratic occupation? |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 12:06 PM |
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How about holding a protest, and then going home |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-16-11 01:08 PM |
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Holding protests and going home did nothing at all during the 2000s. |
HughBeaumont |
Nov-16-11 01:10 PM |
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The trick is that you have to keep coming back |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-16-11 01:35 PM |
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They became an effective force in politics because they were BACKED by corporate DOLLARS. |
HughBeaumont |
Nov-16-11 01:45 PM |
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How would the Occupy movement be more effective if they had busses? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-17-11 07:41 AM |
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Oh, please. The Tea Party was planned since the 1980's by the Kochs and funded by them as well. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 02:56 PM |
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Because it's an occupation, not a two hour protest like the Teabaggers. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 02:54 PM |
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Amen |
No Joe |
Nov-16-11 12:01 PM |
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MSNBC is run by a Republican news organization that hired some |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 12:12 PM |
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Exactly |
mvd |
Nov-16-11 03:12 PM |
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One thing great about not watching cable tv, is never seeing tv "news." |
krabigirl |
Nov-17-11 10:41 AM |
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This is a good time to laugh back! |
Newest Reality |
Nov-16-11 10:08 AM |
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At least *THEY* won |
LeighAnn |
Nov-16-11 10:10 AM |
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Personally, I don't believe it. An attempt at misdirection perhaps? nt |
NorthCarolina |
Nov-16-11 10:12 AM |
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You know things have gone wrong... |
Imajika |
Nov-16-11 10:16 AM |
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It's a ludicrous comparison to begin with. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 12:52 PM |
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The media confuses the method with the goal |
bhikkhu |
Nov-16-11 10:18 AM |
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As well as Faux Noise spewing out shit like countless rapes and a murder ... |
Ship of Fools |
Nov-16-11 10:24 AM |
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Go back to sleep, America...your government is in control. n/t |
deutsey |
Nov-16-11 10:22 AM |
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Only 33 percent are supportive of the goals because the goals are being perceived as |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 10:22 AM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Nov-16-11 10:34 AM |
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There are already enough third parties, IMO. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 12:54 PM |
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my mistake, I meant a second party /nt |
concord |
Nov-16-11 02:09 PM |
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Snap! |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 02:59 PM |
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I happen to agree with you with the added element of... |
BadtotheboneBob |
Nov-16-11 10:43 AM |
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I agree that leadership and media relations specialists are key. |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 10:57 AM |
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Media and government are trying to tar the movement with the anarchist label, but it's a lie. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 03:01 PM |
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Maybe so, maybe so... |
BadtotheboneBob |
Nov-16-11 03:52 PM |
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It has a clear, coherent message: America's plutonomy/kleptocracy is grossly unfair. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 04:16 PM |
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Wha? The occupiers have been there 24/7. The media chose to ignore them the first couple |
No Elephants |
Nov-17-11 02:38 AM |
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+1. Your ideas are excellent IMO. I hope that people from OWS read this. n/t |
totodeinhere |
Nov-16-11 11:05 AM |
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I am sometimes a bit reluctant to pop my head up on this issue. |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 11:24 AM |
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The right wing is scared of Elizabeth Warren. You can be sure that they will throw everything |
totodeinhere |
Nov-16-11 12:44 PM |
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It's already turned into Battle of the SuperPACS. |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 01:00 PM |
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Reluctance? You hide it so well. I see you on so many "occupy" threads. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 12:57 PM |
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Ah, a little travelling music for you! |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 01:04 PM |
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LOL. All I did was comment on your alleged reluctance to post on OWS |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 03:07 PM |
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And all I did was note that you constantly follow me around reminding me that |
MADem |
Nov-17-11 11:34 PM |
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Strikes me OWS has done amazingly well so far by NOT heeding outside advice. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 01:02 PM |
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Spot on. |
randome |
Nov-16-11 11:18 AM |
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Spot on. |
randome |
Nov-16-11 11:18 AM |
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I just read an article. |
PETRUS |
Nov-16-11 11:58 AM |
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Very interesting article-- "Movements wither when they don't evolve" indeed. |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 12:38 PM |
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Anyone can define a political movement any way they wish. Especially if writing is his or her day |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 03:14 PM |
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Is that comment directed at me? |
PETRUS |
Nov-16-11 04:32 PM |
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Yes, my post was a reply to your post, though, obviously, anyone else who reads the thread |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 09:34 PM |
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Actually |
MadrasT |
Nov-28-11 11:08 AM |
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Something to consider... |
Bragi |
Nov-28-11 12:41 PM |
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I stopped trusting polls |
davidthegnome |
Nov-16-11 10:22 AM |
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Polling is actually pretty accurate... |
Imajika |
Nov-16-11 10:33 AM |
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It depends upon the poll and how the results are reported. Also, polls are as much a way of |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 03:16 PM |
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They didn't sample OWS participants |
julian09 |
Nov-16-11 11:55 AM |
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Imagine the effect on the world had OWS had the same favorable media spotlights that |
zbdent |
Nov-16-11 10:24 AM |
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That wasn't possible because OWS doesn't De Facto support corporate supremacy. |
Uncle Joe |
Nov-16-11 10:46 AM |
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I don't know a single soul who thinks the tea party is "favorable." |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 10:48 AM |
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IOW, you disagree with the OP insofar as it says that the Tea Party polls favorably, but agree with |
No Elephants |
Nov-17-11 02:44 AM |
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No. |
MADem |
Nov-18-11 02:38 AM |
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fortunately, OWS isn't running for office.. |
frylock |
Nov-16-11 10:38 AM |
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Summary the status quo doesn't like #OWS. |
EFerrari |
Nov-16-11 11:00 AM |
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I admire your ability to put so much into one or two lines. Respect! |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 04:23 PM |
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Elizabeth Warren is--and Karl Rove is beating her over the head with "OWS." |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 11:00 AM |
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yes, they should just donate money to candidates and vote.. |
frylock |
Nov-16-11 11:29 AM |
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Way to NOT READ what I wrote. Pat yourself on the back, now! |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 11:55 AM |
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If EW loses this election because of continued "Let's fight with the police" OWS coverage |
frylock |
Nov-16-11 12:13 PM |
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You didn't watch the video, OBVIOUSLY. |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 12:18 PM |
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I get to see that fucking thing ten to twenty times a day on TV |
golddigger |
Nov-16-11 12:22 PM |
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You too? |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 12:31 PM |
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it's encumbant upon warren to distance herself from that message.. |
frylock |
Nov-16-11 12:33 PM |
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She's trying--and I do not want OWS to "go away." |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 12:47 PM |
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so provide some suggestions for this EVOLUTION |
frylock |
Nov-16-11 12:52 PM |
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You double posted and I replied below. nt |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 01:06 PM |
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so provide some suggestions for this EVOLUTION |
frylock |
Nov-16-11 12:52 PM |
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I did. Look upthread. Edit to provide the link to the post, to make it easy for you. |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 12:56 PM |
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Focus on income inequality. Don't turn the focus to cops or the mayors or right to camp out or |
Pirate Smile |
Nov-16-11 10:41 AM |
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+1. nt |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 11:02 AM |
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rat wing radio will keep kicking internet ass as long as it is ignored |
certainot |
Nov-16-11 10:51 AM |
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Totally Agree. NT |
Cowpunk |
Nov-16-11 03:57 PM |
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White House propaganda poll. |
golddigger |
Nov-16-11 10:54 AM |
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No kidding. This isn't a news piece and shouldn't be in LBN. |
EFerrari |
Nov-16-11 11:01 AM |
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It's a "flavor"? |
AlbertCat |
Nov-16-11 10:58 AM |
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Independents decide elections in MASSACHUSETTS. |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 11:04 AM |
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I think I'm going to declare a moratorium on looking at any polls between now and the election. |
totodeinhere |
Nov-16-11 11:04 AM |
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But Democrat candidates will be keeping and eye on polls |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-16-11 11:07 AM |
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Sure, and so will the GOP candidates. I wasn't faulting you for posting this and I expect |
totodeinhere |
Nov-16-11 11:12 AM |
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Nov-16-11 01:32 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
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Nov-16-11 01:36 PM |
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This is move about actions, not camping |
SpartanDem |
Nov-16-11 11:27 AM |
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Parks are public property. Bank lobbies and foreclosed homes are not. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 04:43 PM |
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Zucotti Park is a public park owned privately. Don't know how that happened |
wordpix |
Nov-16-11 09:55 PM |
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It's a program to expand public space with private land investments. |
boppers |
Nov-16-11 11:31 PM |
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It;'s a privately owned park, but for the use of the public. |
No Elephants |
Nov-17-11 02:55 AM |
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Revolutions are not about poll numbers. |
Dover |
Nov-16-11 11:34 AM |
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Unrec for pushing propaganda |
lunatica |
Nov-16-11 11:37 AM |
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Public Policy Polling... |
Javaman |
Nov-16-11 11:37 AM |
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No poll is accurate all the time. But plenty of people at DU gleefully post other polls |
totodeinhere |
Nov-16-11 12:49 PM |
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the proprietor, Dean Debnam, is a Dem |
wordpix |
Nov-16-11 09:56 PM |
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Well I guess they should just shut up and pack their shit and go home. |
golddigger |
Nov-16-11 12:07 PM |
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Why don't you try looking at the video of the commercial, and then tell us it's a love note? nt |
MADem |
Nov-16-11 12:49 PM |
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OMG, Republicans made an unflattering commercial about Warren. Disband the movement. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 04:45 PM |
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-1. Contextual dishonesty on your part. nt |
MADem |
Nov-18-11 02:36 AM |
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Question: Am I in or out of the Matrix??? |
laureloak |
Nov-16-11 12:50 PM |
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Wouldn't surprise me if true. |
moondust |
Nov-16-11 01:28 PM |
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Poll could be biased due to obvious possible ulterior propaganda motives. |
Zorra |
Nov-16-11 01:31 PM |
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This is ok...and it goes with what I've been hoping for...and that is that the movement will evolve. |
SoapBox |
Nov-16-11 01:32 PM |
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Bullshit propaganda! |
santamargarita |
Nov-16-11 04:12 PM |
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Damn straight it is! |
golddigger |
Nov-16-11 04:21 PM |
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seeking REAL political change is about changing the range of discussion. not following the fickle |
Douglas Carpenter |
Nov-16-11 04:19 PM |
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Scott Olsen |
unionworks |
Nov-16-11 04:24 PM |
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To the occupiers: THANK YOU. |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 04:48 PM |
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Meanwhile, elsewhere on DU, "NY Voters Back Protestors." |
No Elephants |
Nov-16-11 04:52 PM |
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Unrec for continuous onslaught of anti OWS propaganda |
Kingofalldems |
Nov-16-11 08:03 PM |
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Thank you for kicking the post to the top |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-17-11 10:40 AM |
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Nov-16-11 09:42 PM |
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Nov-16-11 09:48 PM |
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That comment is beautifully Herman Cainesque. nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Nov-17-11 08:45 AM |
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LOL. Cain should be deleted from those deemed eligible to be POTUS, too. |
No Elephants |
Nov-18-11 04:42 AM |
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Fortunately it's no longer with us. nt |
Guy Whitey Corngood |
Nov-18-11 09:32 AM |
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I dont believe it...at all. |
and-justice-for-all |
Nov-17-11 10:34 AM |
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Horseshit. |
6000eliot |
Nov-18-11 03:22 AM |
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Why are you spreading such garbage? nt |
Modern_Matthew |
Nov-18-11 04:52 AM |
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So...this is the latest attempt to stop OWS? |
Desertrose |
Nov-18-11 09:46 AM |
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In judging right and wrong I always consult the opinion polls first. |
JackRiddler |
Nov-28-11 11:14 AM |
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So do many politicians, including perhaps President Obama |
Freddie Stubbs |
Nov-28-11 11:21 AM |
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Lack of ironic sense and apologetics for right-wing policies seem to go together. |
JackRiddler |
Nov-28-11 11:26 AM |
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