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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-23-04 04:40 PM
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93. I'll need more than your word to believe these statements.
"...since the Palestinian fighters deliberately hide behind civilians when they engage Israeli troops.

Evidence, please.

And Palestinian teenagers run out to get into the mix.

IF true, are you suggesting they are forced to do this? Have you ever been around teenagers? Weren't you one at some point? Does this actually suprise you, if it actually happens to the extent you imply?

I would also note that part of the Oslo agreements was that the PA was supplied (by Israel) with weapons and by the US, I believe with training, so they could and should have a cohesive police/semi-military force for internal security. Of course Arafat saw to it that the weapons were spread around quite loosely.

Note it with sources, then, especially the last claim regarding Arafat.

So the difference is DELIBERATE targeting of civilians.

Which both sides do, and if you truly know anything about both sides of this conflict then you know this to be true. If in doubt, check out a reasonably reputable source like Human Rights Watch or the ICRC.

If you'd like to correct me instead of try to send me away, we could debate the issue.

Unfortunately, as I am at work, this will not be possible. I'll have to leave it to my fellow DUers (especially people like TinnyPriv, Tinoire, Snow, and others) to offer the excellent material they have readily at their fingertips. They know their stuff and can help you out on this issue.

I don't understand why anyone would be so committed to defending the PA.

It's more about the truth than defending the PA. I have no love for Hamas, either, but I still condemn Rantisi's assassination mainly because targeted killings are against international law. As there is no actual war, but a violent occupation (like in Iraq), the rules are a bit different. For example, the occupying army is responsible for the safety and well-being of the occupied citizens.

They do far more damage to the average poor Palestinian every day than Israel could do in a year.

Patently false. The PA does not level homes, does not use helicopter gunships and missile strikes against civilians, and does far less damage to both the human population and their infrastructure than does the IDF. Simply using Google and avoiding any right-wing sources that come up should reveal my claims to be true.

PS Were we wrong to win WW2 in Europe if more German civilians died than allied civilians?

How ironic you should use the fight against fascism to defend a fascist like Ariel Sharon.

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