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85. Class warfare ...they have fired back at us. What can we do about it?
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  -Congress passes 3 free trade agreements brentspeak  Oct-12-11 08:20 PM   #0 
  - wtf, they call themselves a news organization?  Enrique   Oct-12-11 08:26 PM   #1 
  - Well it is Forbes, ya know.  Lasher   Oct-13-11 04:48 AM   #51 
  - Fucking TRAITORS!  Plucketeer   Oct-12-11 09:09 PM   #2 
  - I don't see how this will be a win for American workers when it will cause more job losses.  Luciferous   Oct-12-11 09:11 PM   #3 
  - GOPhers wanted them. Third Way wanted them. Obama wanted them.  chill_wind   Oct-12-11 09:34 PM   #8 
  - self-delete  chill_wind   Oct-12-11 09:53 PM   #15 
  - Yes, complete  Enthusiast   Oct-13-11 08:49 AM   # 
  - The only thing exported will be more American jobs. Who the fuck are they kidding? nt  valerief   Oct-12-11 09:14 PM   #4 
  - +1000 n/t  OhioChick   Oct-12-11 09:59 PM   #19 
  - Please name the top ten global exporters.  boppers   Oct-13-11 12:17 AM   #32 
     - Your exercise is incomplete without a list of the top 10 importers.  Lasher   Oct-13-11 05:00 AM   #52 
     - +1000  valerief   Oct-13-11 08:22 AM   #68 
     - I wish we exported NEARLY as much as we imported. But, I'm sorry, what was your point?  valerief   Oct-13-11 08:22 AM   #67 
     - With "free trade" countries we do export almost as much as we import. n/t  pampango   Oct-14-11 08:37 AM   #125 
     - Might wanna rethink that graphic.  tblue   Oct-13-11 09:42 AM   #84 
     - Good point nt  In Other News   Oct-14-11 08:29 AM   #124 
  - I want to see who of our craven Dems voted for this debacle.  avaistheone1   Oct-12-11 09:19 PM   #5 
  - here they are  alp227   Oct-12-11 09:48 PM   #13 
     - Thank you for the list  me b zola   Oct-12-11 09:59 PM   #18 
     - That's sort of surprising to me.  Quantess   Oct-13-11 01:17 AM   #41 
     - I've been wary of him  me b zola   Oct-13-11 03:33 AM   #48 
     - Merkely Nay on all three, though  0rganism   Oct-13-11 11:43 AM   #91 
        - Yes, I saw that  me b zola   Oct-13-11 01:20 PM   #92 
     - Thank you for that info, alp227.  chill_wind   Oct-12-11 10:09 PM   #20 
     - Damn  kenfrequed   Oct-13-11 11:13 AM   #90 
  - "they" get our jobs, so what do we get (not the filthy rich coprorations....US) nt  msongs   Oct-12-11 09:20 PM   #6 
  - We get Colombian refugees.  roody   Oct-13-11 06:32 PM   #102 
  - Booooooooooooo & Hisssssssssss!  SoapBox   Oct-12-11 09:21 PM   #7 
  - I swear they dont care if we're at 10% unemployment by the election  DJ13   Oct-12-11 09:39 PM   #9 
  - I guess, polarization and partisanship level in American politics  Fool Count   Oct-12-11 09:42 PM   #10 
  - Don't free trade agreements essentially allow corporations to establish foreign factories?  Kablooie   Oct-12-11 09:44 PM   #11 
  - I wish they'd pass the jobs bill, but the trade agreements are a good deal  bhikkhu   Oct-12-11 09:46 PM   #12 
  - BBC: Korea trade act will increase US-made exports to the country  alp227   Oct-12-11 09:49 PM   #14 
  - Not mentioned in your post: Imports from Korea will greatly outnumber exports to Korea  brentspeak   Oct-12-11 09:53 PM   #16 
     - The 159k number is bogus  bhikkhu   Oct-12-11 10:52 PM   #22 
        - And the 70k number isn't?  jeff47   Oct-12-11 11:00 PM   #23 
        - We have a track record of bush's economic policy's effect on trade  bhikkhu   Oct-12-11 11:10 PM   #25 
           - Sad thing is, it could reverse much of what good the Obama admin. HAS done these past 3 years.  AverageJoe90   Oct-13-11 12:54 AM   #38 
           - That's nice. Perhaps you could point out a net-positive free trade agreement?  jeff47   Oct-13-11 07:48 AM   #64 
              - Just one. Australia-US FTA.  pampango   Oct-13-11 08:17 AM   #66 
              - and Chile, and Peru, Singapore, Bahrain, and the CAFTA group  bhikkhu   Oct-13-11 07:19 PM   #103 
              - self-delete  bhikkhu   Oct-13-11 10:21 AM   #89 
        - It's clear you didn't bother to research before posting  brentspeak   Oct-12-11 11:18 PM   #27 
           - Link?  bhikkhu   Oct-13-11 12:33 AM   #34 
           - Thank you for the EPI link, I've been looking for a study on these deals  Jim_Shorts   Oct-13-11 10:15 AM   #88 
  - Colombia, especially, should have NEVER been rewarded with an FTA.  chill_wind   Oct-12-11 11:10 PM   #26 
  - There is a really fascinating correlation between countries we have agreements with...  joshcryer   Oct-13-11 12:58 AM   #40 
  - Right free trade agreements (actually treaties that by-pass the 2/3 majority vote requirement)  fasttense   Oct-13-11 07:02 AM   #62 
  - Poor monetary policies have caused millions of job losses in the US  bhikkhu   Oct-13-11 09:11 AM   #79 
     - Our One-Party Congress spins another tale.  values1   Oct-13-11 10:06 AM   #86 
     - What you failed to mention: The S. Korean trade deal continues those unfavorable monetary policies  brentspeak   Oct-13-11 06:03 PM   #99 
  - ...  Enthusiast   Oct-13-11 08:52 AM   #73 
  - History is often a good guide  daleo   Oct-13-11 08:57 PM   #109 
  - Trumka: The wrong medicine at the wrong time.  chill_wind   Oct-12-11 09:55 PM   #17 
  - All three are bullshit agreements...  russspeakeasy   Oct-12-11 10:11 PM   #21 
  - I see the joblessness for Americans program is still way ahead of the jobs for Americans program.  No Elephants   Oct-12-11 11:08 PM   #24 
  - When will Labor quit sucking the d--k of the democrats?  Citizen Worker   Oct-12-11 11:32 PM   #28 
  - With a two party system one party need be only slightly more favorable to a given  harun   Oct-13-11 08:26 PM   #106 
  - Senator Kohl (WI) voted for SK and Panama, but against Columbia  AllyCat   Oct-13-11 12:10 AM   #29 
  - Next up,  kimsarah   Oct-13-11 12:10 AM   #30 
  - Oh, and not to worry  kimsarah   Oct-13-11 01:51 AM   #44 
  - Congress can move fast when corporation need something.  Thornleylv   Oct-13-11 12:12 AM   #31 
  - MFing TRAITORS!!!  workinclasszero   Oct-13-11 12:20 AM   #33 
  - Fuck........  AverageJoe90   Oct-13-11 12:44 AM   #35 
  - When are we going to OCCUPY CONGRESS?  Hugabear   Oct-13-11 12:47 AM   #36 
  - FACT from The New York Times: The WH made "changes demanded by industry groups and unions"  ClarkUSA   Oct-13-11 12:50 AM   #37 
  - Lou Dobbs held up a r eport which he stated was from the Labor  OHdem10   Oct-13-11 12:56 AM   #39 
  - So voting to axe jobs in favor of the corporate masters...  JCMach1   Oct-13-11 01:18 AM   #42 
  - Huzzah for our side! The final slide into desperate living.  Safetykitten   Oct-13-11 01:26 AM   #43 
  - Hooray for poorly informed rage  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-13-11 02:00 AM   #45 
  - I love irony.  Lasher   Oct-13-11 06:19 AM   #59 
  - So 9 out of 10 years of increased exports, combined with a falling deficit  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-13-11 10:28 PM   #118 
  - Thank you - it is too amazing that people just jump  treestar   Oct-13-11 08:09 AM   #65 
  - Or people jump into threads with support when  Jakes Progress   Oct-13-11 08:48 AM   #71 
     - I don't know if they are good or bad  treestar   Oct-13-11 06:12 PM   #100 
        - So you are not willing to show where you got your info about how great these deals are.  Lasher   Oct-13-11 07:24 PM   #104 
           - I specifically said I don't know  treestar   Oct-14-11 09:27 AM   #127 
  - sayeth the person pushing for unFree Trade  fascisthunter   Oct-13-11 09:02 AM   #77 
  - Your quarrel is with the republicans, not Samsung.  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-13-11 10:20 PM   #117 
  - Removing tariffs on agricultural goods to Colombia?  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-13-11 09:29 AM   #80 
  - The "Inclosure Acts" in the UK from 1750 - 1850 also took out small farmers  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-13-11 10:19 PM   #116 
     - Except in the case of Mexico, some of the displaced farmers become  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-13-11 10:30 PM   #119 
        - Most of the farmers were displaced pre-NAFTA  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-13-11 10:40 PM   #120 
           - So if Mexico was subsidizing jobs, why can't it support its own people?  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-13-11 11:10 PM   #121 
              - Mostly regional disparities,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-15-11 12:15 AM   #131 
                 - But it's the north that is the center of the drug wars  Lydia Leftcoast   Oct-15-11 12:37 AM   #132 
                    - Location, Location, Location.  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-15-11 02:19 AM   #133 
  - What is your job again?  Bluenorthwest   Oct-13-11 09:41 AM   #83 
  - I work with foreign businesses operating in the US and vice-versa  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-13-11 10:07 PM   #115 
  - I disagree strongly with that assessment  SixthSense   Oct-13-11 02:49 PM   #97 
  - Our domestic polices did us in, not NAFTA.  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-13-11 10:03 PM   #114 
  - Wow is your analysis bad.  jeff47   Oct-13-11 05:15 PM   #98 
  - A $5 billion dollar trade deficit is infinitesimal,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-13-11 09:51 PM   #113 
     - The existence of larger trade deficits elsewhere is irrelevant.  jeff47   Oct-14-11 08:27 AM   #123 
  - Thanks for the laugh  brentspeak   Oct-13-11 06:16 PM   #101 
  - What are you talking about?  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-13-11 09:42 PM   #112 
     - So what you're saying is that we should obliterate our trade surplus with Korea  brentspeak   Oct-14-11 09:17 AM   #126 
        - We don't have a trade surplus with Korea, but one is very much attainable  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-15-11 12:13 AM   #130 
  - WTF does "US domestic policies are republican adherance to 'low road' economic development policies  rhett o rick   Oct-13-11 07:33 PM   #105 
  - It means he's into race to the bottom economics, too. nt  Romulox   Oct-13-11 08:45 PM   #108 
     - No, it means I place the blame where it belongs - republicans  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-13-11 09:30 PM   #111 
        - Huh?  blue_onyx   Oct-14-11 10:01 AM   #128 
           - And Al Gore wanted Fast Track from Congress to reach the same agreements  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-14-11 10:39 AM   #129 
  - LOL: "trade agreements that will quickly allow the US to realize a trade surplus"  Romulox   Oct-13-11 08:45 PM   #107 
     - Indeed it will,  Sen. Walter Sobchak   Oct-13-11 09:26 PM   #110 
  - This just promotes the same ole same ole shit...  earcandle   Oct-13-11 02:24 AM   #46 
  - Every time I hear the words "bi-partisan support" - I know we've just been screwed  slay   Oct-13-11 02:27 AM   #47 
  - You too, huh?  Raksha   Oct-13-11 10:08 AM   #87 
  - well this will make sure the wall street protests continue.  PatrynXX   Oct-13-11 03:45 AM   #49 
  - People are actually defending this as being "good for America"??  Altoid_Cyclist   Oct-13-11 04:46 AM   #50 
  - I don't notice any of the defenders mentioning Columbia's habit of murdering trade unionists  bread_and_roses   Oct-13-11 05:14 AM   #53 
  - Related thread here:  Lasher   Oct-13-11 05:14 AM   #54 
  - I just heard a giant sucking sound ---  jerseyjack   Oct-13-11 05:41 AM   #55 
  - That'll be the President and his administration saying "Hi" to the corporations again. (n/t)  Nihil   Oct-14-11 06:50 AM   #122 
  - these trade agreements never seem to work as advertised.  endless october   Oct-13-11 06:00 AM   #56 
  - As Hillary Clinton said....  JJW   Oct-13-11 06:02 AM   #57 
  - sold out  wobblie   Oct-13-11 06:12 AM   #58 
  - These worked out so well before.......  Swede Atlanta    Oct-13-11 06:20 AM   #60 
  - Vomit. Only Koreans, Colombians, and Panamanians get the jobs.  Laelth   Oct-13-11 06:46 AM   #61 
  - Here is Kerry on the agreements  ProSense   Oct-13-11 07:43 AM   #63 
  - But, but it has to be a good thing, right?  Jakes Progress   Oct-13-11 08:46 AM   #69 
  - This amounts to an economic act of treason.  Enthusiast   Oct-13-11 08:47 AM   #70 
  - Neo-liberalism.  The Backlash Cometh   Oct-13-11 08:49 AM   #72 
  - this is the nail in the coffin for Congress  lovuian   Oct-13-11 08:56 AM   #74 
  - There go more jobs  CanonRay   Oct-13-11 08:59 AM   #75 
  - Congress forces Americans out of more Jobs  fascisthunter   Oct-13-11 09:01 AM   #76 
  - I knew they'd do this crap. We no longer have representatives in Congress. We have a-holes nt  Sarah Ibarruri   Oct-13-11 09:10 AM   #78 
  - New jobs!!!!!  get the red out   Oct-13-11 09:31 AM   #81 
  - Attention all american workers...  workinclasszero   Oct-13-11 09:37 AM   #82 
  - Class warfare ...they have fired back at us. What can we do about it?  L0oniX   Oct-13-11 10:06 AM   #85 
  - Or-Bama-Wellian  Maven   Oct-13-11 01:53 PM   #93 
  - UAW Applauds Passage of U.S.-South Korea Free Trade Agreement  ProSense   Oct-13-11 02:00 PM   #94 
  - Economist Ian Fletcher: "Don't be fooled by White House's cynical ploy" (obtaining UAW support)  brentspeak   Oct-13-11 02:46 PM   #96 
  - In case anyone tells you we have representative government  SixthSense   Oct-13-11 02:46 PM   #95 
  - Where's a LINK to the votes?  upi402   Oct-17-11 08:13 PM   #134 
     - Here's a LINK. Both my "Dems" voted for them  upi402   Oct-17-11 08:35 PM   #135 

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