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Thu Oct-13-11 06:20 AM
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NAFTA has sucked millions of U.S. jobs out of the country, mostly to the south. Unless these trade agreements are between partners that share certain common values, they will result in jobs being sucked from the wealthier countries to the poorer and a flow of cheap goods in the other direction. When an American or Canadian manufacturer with an average labor cost of say $25.00 an house can shift jobs to Mexico with an average labor cost of say $5.00 an hour, those jobs will never return. The only jobs that remain are those in the service sector that cannot be performed elsewhere (e.g. hairdresser, McDonad's server, etc.) and those that require skills that don't exist in Mexico. Those same American and Canadian manufacturers then re-import the Mexican-made products to their home markets. This results in a lower cost of consumers and a much larger profit margin. This works as long until the wealthier countries have been so drained of jobs they can no longer afford to buy those products. For every good-paying job that leave, at least 3 other jobs are affected. Over time and with volume, the entire economy is at risk.
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| -Congress passes 3 free trade agreements |
brentspeak |
Oct-12-11 08:20 PM |
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wtf, they call themselves a news organization? |
Enrique |
Oct-12-11 08:26 PM |
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Well it is Forbes, ya know. |
Lasher |
Oct-13-11 04:48 AM |
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Fucking TRAITORS! |
Plucketeer |
Oct-12-11 09:09 PM |
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I don't see how this will be a win for American workers when it will cause more job losses. |
Luciferous |
Oct-12-11 09:11 PM |
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GOPhers wanted them. Third Way wanted them. Obama wanted them. |
chill_wind |
Oct-12-11 09:34 PM |
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self-delete |
chill_wind |
Oct-12-11 09:53 PM |
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Yes, complete |
Enthusiast |
Oct-13-11 08:49 AM |
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The only thing exported will be more American jobs. Who the fuck are they kidding? nt |
valerief |
Oct-12-11 09:14 PM |
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+1000 n/t |
OhioChick |
Oct-12-11 09:59 PM |
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Please name the top ten global exporters. |
boppers |
Oct-13-11 12:17 AM |
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Your exercise is incomplete without a list of the top 10 importers. |
Lasher |
Oct-13-11 05:00 AM |
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+1000 |
valerief |
Oct-13-11 08:22 AM |
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I wish we exported NEARLY as much as we imported. But, I'm sorry, what was your point? |
valerief |
Oct-13-11 08:22 AM |
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With "free trade" countries we do export almost as much as we import. n/t |
pampango |
Oct-14-11 08:37 AM |
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Might wanna rethink that graphic. |
tblue |
Oct-13-11 09:42 AM |
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Good point nt |
In Other News |
Oct-14-11 08:29 AM |
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I want to see who of our craven Dems voted for this debacle. |
avaistheone1 |
Oct-12-11 09:19 PM |
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here they are |
alp227 |
Oct-12-11 09:48 PM |
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Thank you for the list |
me b zola |
Oct-12-11 09:59 PM |
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That's sort of surprising to me. |
Quantess |
Oct-13-11 01:17 AM |
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I've been wary of him |
me b zola |
Oct-13-11 03:33 AM |
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Merkely Nay on all three, though |
0rganism |
Oct-13-11 11:43 AM |
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Yes, I saw that |
me b zola |
Oct-13-11 01:20 PM |
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Thank you for that info, alp227. |
chill_wind |
Oct-12-11 10:09 PM |
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Damn |
kenfrequed |
Oct-13-11 11:13 AM |
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"they" get our jobs, so what do we get (not the filthy rich coprorations....US) nt |
msongs |
Oct-12-11 09:20 PM |
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We get Colombian refugees. |
roody |
Oct-13-11 06:32 PM |
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Booooooooooooo & Hisssssssssss! |
SoapBox |
Oct-12-11 09:21 PM |
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I swear they dont care if we're at 10% unemployment by the election |
DJ13 |
Oct-12-11 09:39 PM |
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I guess, polarization and partisanship level in American politics |
Fool Count |
Oct-12-11 09:42 PM |
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Don't free trade agreements essentially allow corporations to establish foreign factories? |
Kablooie |
Oct-12-11 09:44 PM |
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I wish they'd pass the jobs bill, but the trade agreements are a good deal |
bhikkhu |
Oct-12-11 09:46 PM |
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BBC: Korea trade act will increase US-made exports to the country |
alp227 |
Oct-12-11 09:49 PM |
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Not mentioned in your post: Imports from Korea will greatly outnumber exports to Korea |
brentspeak |
Oct-12-11 09:53 PM |
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The 159k number is bogus |
bhikkhu |
Oct-12-11 10:52 PM |
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And the 70k number isn't? |
jeff47 |
Oct-12-11 11:00 PM |
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We have a track record of bush's economic policy's effect on trade |
bhikkhu |
Oct-12-11 11:10 PM |
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Sad thing is, it could reverse much of what good the Obama admin. HAS done these past 3 years. |
AverageJoe90 |
Oct-13-11 12:54 AM |
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That's nice. Perhaps you could point out a net-positive free trade agreement? |
jeff47 |
Oct-13-11 07:48 AM |
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Just one. Australia-US FTA. |
pampango |
Oct-13-11 08:17 AM |
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and Chile, and Peru, Singapore, Bahrain, and the CAFTA group |
bhikkhu |
Oct-13-11 07:19 PM |
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self-delete |
bhikkhu |
Oct-13-11 10:21 AM |
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It's clear you didn't bother to research before posting |
brentspeak |
Oct-12-11 11:18 PM |
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Link? |
bhikkhu |
Oct-13-11 12:33 AM |
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Thank you for the EPI link, I've been looking for a study on these deals |
Jim_Shorts |
Oct-13-11 10:15 AM |
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Colombia, especially, should have NEVER been rewarded with an FTA. |
chill_wind |
Oct-12-11 11:10 PM |
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There is a really fascinating correlation between countries we have agreements with... |
joshcryer |
Oct-13-11 12:58 AM |
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Right free trade agreements (actually treaties that by-pass the 2/3 majority vote requirement) |
fasttense |
Oct-13-11 07:02 AM |
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Poor monetary policies have caused millions of job losses in the US |
bhikkhu |
Oct-13-11 09:11 AM |
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Our One-Party Congress spins another tale. |
values1 |
Oct-13-11 10:06 AM |
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What you failed to mention: The S. Korean trade deal continues those unfavorable monetary policies |
brentspeak |
Oct-13-11 06:03 PM |
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... |
Enthusiast |
Oct-13-11 08:52 AM |
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History is often a good guide |
daleo |
Oct-13-11 08:57 PM |
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Trumka: The wrong medicine at the wrong time. |
chill_wind |
Oct-12-11 09:55 PM |
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All three are bullshit agreements... |
russspeakeasy |
Oct-12-11 10:11 PM |
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I see the joblessness for Americans program is still way ahead of the jobs for Americans program. |
No Elephants |
Oct-12-11 11:08 PM |
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When will Labor quit sucking the d--k of the democrats? |
Citizen Worker |
Oct-12-11 11:32 PM |
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With a two party system one party need be only slightly more favorable to a given |
harun |
Oct-13-11 08:26 PM |
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Senator Kohl (WI) voted for SK and Panama, but against Columbia |
AllyCat |
Oct-13-11 12:10 AM |
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Next up, |
kimsarah |
Oct-13-11 12:10 AM |
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Oh, and not to worry |
kimsarah |
Oct-13-11 01:51 AM |
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Congress can move fast when corporation need something. |
Thornleylv |
Oct-13-11 12:12 AM |
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MFing TRAITORS!!! |
workinclasszero |
Oct-13-11 12:20 AM |
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Fuck........ |
AverageJoe90 |
Oct-13-11 12:44 AM |
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When are we going to OCCUPY CONGRESS? |
Hugabear |
Oct-13-11 12:47 AM |
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FACT from The New York Times: The WH made "changes demanded by industry groups and unions" |
ClarkUSA |
Oct-13-11 12:50 AM |
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Lou Dobbs held up a r eport which he stated was from the Labor |
OHdem10 |
Oct-13-11 12:56 AM |
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So voting to axe jobs in favor of the corporate masters... |
JCMach1 |
Oct-13-11 01:18 AM |
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Huzzah for our side! The final slide into desperate living. |
Safetykitten |
Oct-13-11 01:26 AM |
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Hooray for poorly informed rage |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-13-11 02:00 AM |
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I love irony. |
Lasher |
Oct-13-11 06:19 AM |
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So 9 out of 10 years of increased exports, combined with a falling deficit |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-13-11 10:28 PM |
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Thank you - it is too amazing that people just jump |
treestar |
Oct-13-11 08:09 AM |
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Or people jump into threads with support when |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-13-11 08:48 AM |
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I don't know if they are good or bad |
treestar |
Oct-13-11 06:12 PM |
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So you are not willing to show where you got your info about how great these deals are. |
Lasher |
Oct-13-11 07:24 PM |
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I specifically said I don't know |
treestar |
Oct-14-11 09:27 AM |
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sayeth the person pushing for unFree Trade |
fascisthunter |
Oct-13-11 09:02 AM |
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Your quarrel is with the republicans, not Samsung. |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-13-11 10:20 PM |
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Removing tariffs on agricultural goods to Colombia? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-13-11 09:29 AM |
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The "Inclosure Acts" in the UK from 1750 - 1850 also took out small farmers |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-13-11 10:19 PM |
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Except in the case of Mexico, some of the displaced farmers become |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-13-11 10:30 PM |
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Most of the farmers were displaced pre-NAFTA |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-13-11 10:40 PM |
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So if Mexico was subsidizing jobs, why can't it support its own people? |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-13-11 11:10 PM |
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Mostly regional disparities, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-15-11 12:15 AM |
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But it's the north that is the center of the drug wars |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Oct-15-11 12:37 AM |
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Location, Location, Location. |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-15-11 02:19 AM |
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What is your job again? |
Bluenorthwest |
Oct-13-11 09:41 AM |
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I work with foreign businesses operating in the US and vice-versa |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-13-11 10:07 PM |
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I disagree strongly with that assessment |
SixthSense |
Oct-13-11 02:49 PM |
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Our domestic polices did us in, not NAFTA. |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-13-11 10:03 PM |
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Wow is your analysis bad. |
jeff47 |
Oct-13-11 05:15 PM |
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A $5 billion dollar trade deficit is infinitesimal, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-13-11 09:51 PM |
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The existence of larger trade deficits elsewhere is irrelevant. |
jeff47 |
Oct-14-11 08:27 AM |
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Thanks for the laugh |
brentspeak |
Oct-13-11 06:16 PM |
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What are you talking about? |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-13-11 09:42 PM |
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So what you're saying is that we should obliterate our trade surplus with Korea |
brentspeak |
Oct-14-11 09:17 AM |
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We don't have a trade surplus with Korea, but one is very much attainable |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-15-11 12:13 AM |
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WTF does "US domestic policies are republican adherance to 'low road' economic development policies |
rhett o rick |
Oct-13-11 07:33 PM |
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It means he's into race to the bottom economics, too. nt |
Romulox |
Oct-13-11 08:45 PM |
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No, it means I place the blame where it belongs - republicans |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-13-11 09:30 PM |
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Huh? |
blue_onyx |
Oct-14-11 10:01 AM |
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And Al Gore wanted Fast Track from Congress to reach the same agreements |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-14-11 10:39 AM |
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LOL: "trade agreements that will quickly allow the US to realize a trade surplus" |
Romulox |
Oct-13-11 08:45 PM |
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Indeed it will, |
Sen. Walter Sobchak |
Oct-13-11 09:26 PM |
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This just promotes the same ole same ole shit... |
earcandle |
Oct-13-11 02:24 AM |
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Every time I hear the words "bi-partisan support" - I know we've just been screwed |
slay |
Oct-13-11 02:27 AM |
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You too, huh? |
Raksha |
Oct-13-11 10:08 AM |
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well this will make sure the wall street protests continue. |
PatrynXX |
Oct-13-11 03:45 AM |
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People are actually defending this as being "good for America"?? |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Oct-13-11 04:46 AM |
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I don't notice any of the defenders mentioning Columbia's habit of murdering trade unionists |
bread_and_roses |
Oct-13-11 05:14 AM |
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Related thread here: |
Lasher |
Oct-13-11 05:14 AM |
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I just heard a giant sucking sound --- |
jerseyjack |
Oct-13-11 05:41 AM |
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That'll be the President and his administration saying "Hi" to the corporations again. (n/t) |
Nihil |
Oct-14-11 06:50 AM |
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these trade agreements never seem to work as advertised. |
endless october |
Oct-13-11 06:00 AM |
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As Hillary Clinton said.... |
JJW |
Oct-13-11 06:02 AM |
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sold out |
wobblie |
Oct-13-11 06:12 AM |
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These worked out so well before....... |
Swede Atlanta |
Oct-13-11 06:20 AM |
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Vomit. Only Koreans, Colombians, and Panamanians get the jobs. |
Laelth |
Oct-13-11 06:46 AM |
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Here is Kerry on the agreements |
ProSense |
Oct-13-11 07:43 AM |
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But, but it has to be a good thing, right? |
Jakes Progress |
Oct-13-11 08:46 AM |
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This amounts to an economic act of treason. |
Enthusiast |
Oct-13-11 08:47 AM |
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Neo-liberalism. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Oct-13-11 08:49 AM |
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this is the nail in the coffin for Congress |
lovuian |
Oct-13-11 08:56 AM |
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There go more jobs |
CanonRay |
Oct-13-11 08:59 AM |
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Congress forces Americans out of more Jobs |
fascisthunter |
Oct-13-11 09:01 AM |
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I knew they'd do this crap. We no longer have representatives in Congress. We have a-holes nt |
Sarah Ibarruri |
Oct-13-11 09:10 AM |
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New jobs!!!!! |
get the red out |
Oct-13-11 09:31 AM |
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Attention all american workers... |
workinclasszero |
Oct-13-11 09:37 AM |
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Class warfare ...they have fired back at us. What can we do about it? |
L0oniX |
Oct-13-11 10:06 AM |
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Or-Bama-Wellian |
Maven |
Oct-13-11 01:53 PM |
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UAW Applauds Passage of U.S.-South Korea Free Trade Agreement |
ProSense |
Oct-13-11 02:00 PM |
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Economist Ian Fletcher: "Don't be fooled by White House's cynical ploy" (obtaining UAW support) |
brentspeak |
Oct-13-11 02:46 PM |
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In case anyone tells you we have representative government |
SixthSense |
Oct-13-11 02:46 PM |
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Where's a LINK to the votes? |
upi402 |
Oct-17-11 08:13 PM |
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Here's a LINK. Both my "Dems" voted for them |
upi402 |
Oct-17-11 08:35 PM |
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