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106. We need to look forward, not backward.
Diebold Sells U.S. Elections Systems Business to ES&S

NORTH CANTON, Ohio, Sept. 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Diebold, Incorporated (NYSE: DBD) announced today that it has sold its U.S. election systems business, primarily consisting of its Allen, Texas-based subsidiary, Premier Election Solutions, Inc., to Election Systems & Software, Inc. (ES&S), a leading company in the election systems industry. The sale was consummated on September 2.




The transaction also poses a significant and imminent threat of irreparable harm to the other vendors like Hart serving less than 20% of voting precincts, harm to the political subdivisions that constitute the jurisdictions that must purchase voting machines and election systems, and, ultimately, harm to the voters of the United States, in the form of loss of confidence in the integrity and security of the means by which elections are performed.

Justice Department Requires Key Divestiture in Election Systems & Software/Premier Election Solutions Merger

WASHINGTON The Department of Justice announced today that it will require Election Systems & Software (ES&S) to divest voting equipment systems assets it
purchased in September 2009 from Premier Election Solutions Inc. in order to restore competition. The assets to be divested include the means to produce all versions of Premiers hardware, software and firmware used to record, tabulate, transmit or report votes, including the Assure 1.2 system, and a license to better serve disabled voters. The department said that todays settlement will restore competition in voting equipment systems in the United States and that, without the divestiture, the acquisition would result in higher prices, lower quality and a reduced incentive to innovate.

For those keeping score, the authors of HAVA have:

Been convicted of bribery and corruption for deals with Jack Abramoff and sentenced to 30 months in prison- Rep. Bob Ney

Been convicted of money laundering and conspiracy to commit money laundering to get repub candidates elected, and have received a sentence of three years in prison- Rep. Tom DeLay (See also DeLay's ties to Abramoff.)

Run for President (poorly)- Sen. Chris Dodd. Dodd was apparently under the impression that being a "Friend of Angelo" Mozilo of Countrywide and writing the bill that would allow a privately-owned, highly partisan corporation to use secret, proprietary software to count our votes was enough to endear him to the Powers That Be. It was not. He did worse than Kucinich.

Business and financial ties with ES&S, the company that has a monopoly on vote counting in the US- Sen. Chuck Hagel

Now, given all of the above, and the fact that every time an "anomaly" occurs with these electronic voting machines it benefits Republicans, why has the Obama administration not enforced its order for ES&S to divest? It seems highly irrational to not be concerned about the survival of one's own party.
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  -Nat Sec Lab Hacks Diebold Touch-Screen Voting Machine by Remote Control With $26 in Computer Parts BradBlog  Sep-27-11 07:14 PM   #0 
  - K & R  alstephenson   Sep-27-11 07:22 PM   #1 
  - Suppose we hack a vote somewhere?  RedCloud   Sep-28-11 03:48 PM   #181 
     - How about one state outlaws all electronic voting and counting machines so we see what the people ..  Aaria   Sep-29-11 10:48 AM   #231 
  - Wow! What really scary stuff.  truedelphi   Sep-27-11 07:27 PM   #2 
  - How about attacks on the vote tallying machines ? That was the Florida and California problem.  vets74   Sep-28-11 02:07 PM   #160 
     - That's Election Fraud, not voter fraud..  RC   Sep-28-11 03:43 PM   #179 
  - Hey Brad!  avaistheone1   Sep-27-11 07:36 PM   #3 
  - Thanks...  BradBlog   Sep-27-11 07:42 PM   #4 
  - Time for the Democrats to get up to speed on this technology.  rgbecker   Sep-27-11 07:55 PM   #5 
  - Glad...  BradBlog   Sep-27-11 08:04 PM   #6 
  - Wisconsin has a Waukesha county clerk that could use some help  midnight   Sep-28-11 12:17 AM   #31 
  - cept she doesn't even have a 5th grade education  PatrynXX   Sep-28-11 03:53 AM   #38 
  - I was looking for this women's education info. and found this.  midnight   Sep-28-11 11:47 AM   #120 
  - NEOCON Clerk Kathy is a real hindrance to American Democracy  Yon_Yonson   Sep-28-11 08:35 AM   #84 
  - The state investigation just ended, finding she "violated state law, but not on purpose"  lutefisk   Sep-28-11 11:41 AM   #118 
     - I think the crime was not investigated only the human error...  midnight   Sep-28-11 11:51 AM   #124 
     - The report specifically does  lutefisk   Sep-28-11 11:58 AM   #128 
        - The real crime is and will always be the flipping of the voters intent..  midnight   Sep-28-11 08:34 PM   #203 
     - NEOCON Clerk Kathy is a HUMAN ERROR  Yon_Yonson   Sep-28-11 07:43 PM   #200 
     - Touche!  midnight   Sep-28-11 08:37 PM   #204 
     - Always was told Ignorance of the law is no excuse. Unless your a politco.  Aaria   Sep-29-11 10:49 AM   #232 
  - And Mississippi  donquijoterocket   Sep-28-11 11:53 AM   #127 
  - No, really  dmkinsey   Sep-28-11 08:08 AM   #78 
     - The sad thing is even if we hacked the machines  quakerboy   Sep-28-11 06:17 PM   #196 
  - "Technology" ... ? A 12 year old could figure this out -- !! Actually....  defendandprotect   Sep-27-11 08:24 PM   #11 
  - No logic; believable? Sure. Chicken**** Dem 'establishment'  elleng   Sep-28-11 11:03 AM   #109 
  - We need to ask WHY we should come out to vote on hackable computers -- !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-28-11 12:10 PM   #132 
     - Don't think so. Even asking such question  elleng   Sep-28-11 01:48 PM   #155 
     - That's hilarious -- though it has been the excuse of higher ups in the Dem Party, it seems. ... !!  defendandprotect   Sep-28-11 08:48 PM   #206 
     - Match THEIR CRIMES with OUR OWN STUPIDITY !!  vets74   Sep-28-11 02:11 PM   #161 
        - You think it's one in a thousand votes that are hacked? hmmm.....  defendandprotect   Sep-28-11 08:49 PM   #207 
  - Of course they won't talk about it, how do you think they got their jobs.  Aaria   Sep-29-11 10:51 AM   #233 
  - Have you ever wondered why Democrats never enacted tougher laws about that between  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 03:32 AM   #35 
  - Good luck getting the Dems to pay attention.  Stevepol   Sep-28-11 04:28 AM   #44 
  - A Congressional committee investigated and found out rigging would be very easy.  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 06:58 AM   #56 
  - A really good democrat Ohio's former Sec. of State ...  Botany   Sep-28-11 07:18 AM   #65 
  - I got into an argument with my poli-sci professor  OnyxCollie   Sep-28-11 10:17 AM   #96 
  - It wasn't just just her support for fair elections* but it ...  Botany   Sep-28-11 11:49 AM   #121 
     - Thanks for the info. nt  OnyxCollie   Sep-28-11 02:25 PM   #166 
  - We can only conclude that Dem Party is content with the way things are re computer voting -- ???!!!!  defendandprotect   Sep-28-11 12:12 PM   #133 
  - And the next question is WHY .... ?????  defendandprotect   Sep-28-11 08:53 PM   #209 
  - they've had five years to get up to speed..  frylock   Sep-28-11 10:24 AM   #99 
  - K & R  DeeDeeNY   Sep-27-11 08:11 PM   #7 
  - We told you, we told you, we told you, we told you, NOW DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT DAMMIT!!!!  benld74   Sep-27-11 08:16 PM   #8 
  - I don't think that either party cares. Look at history!  truedelphi   Sep-28-11 01:25 PM   #146 
  - NOW can we have paper ballots?  plumbob   Sep-27-11 08:16 PM   #9 
  - Sorry, no. Please see Replies 11, 44 and 56.  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:04 AM   #57 
  - KR -- and Democratic Party doesn't know this .... ? Obama doesn't know ... ? DOJ ... ?  defendandprotect   Sep-27-11 08:19 PM   #10 
  - NOTHING HERE, MOVE ALONG  HowHasItComeToThis   Sep-28-11 12:05 PM   #131 
  - But Republicans tell us this is impossible. Think they're lying? Or stupid? Or both? nt  valerief   Sep-27-11 08:26 PM   #12 
  - 'pigs  bongbong   Sep-27-11 08:47 PM   #15 
  - Neither  hootinholler   Sep-27-11 08:55 PM   #17 
  - ES&S is the worst of the lot I think.  Stevepol   Sep-28-11 08:25 AM   #83 
  - And we act as though we believe every word because we do not even try to do  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:08 AM   #59 
  - who cares what republicans think? dems have been siitting on their nuts since they took control..  frylock   Sep-28-11 10:27 AM   #100 
  - Read the article - It says that an 8th grade science education  VWolf   Sep-28-11 10:47 AM   #104 
     - Ha! Exactly! nt  valerief   Sep-28-11 04:55 PM   #192 
     - We know election fraud exists. If Republicans are too dumb to do it.......  No Elephants   Sep-29-11 07:33 AM   #222 
  - I am  ejbr   Sep-27-11 08:41 PM   #13 
  - I am stunned.  Mnemosyne    Sep-27-11 08:46 PM   #14 
  - And this of course will be totally ignored by both parties.  zeemike   Sep-27-11 08:50 PM   #16 
  - right...  marions ghost   Sep-28-11 03:16 PM   #173 
  - It sounds alarming..  christx30   Sep-27-11 08:59 PM   #18 
  - THe Koch Bros are probably passing them out to their followers. nm  rhett o rick   Sep-28-11 03:53 PM   #184 
  - Any response from the EAC?  Wilms   Sep-27-11 09:04 PM   #19 
  - Ha!  BradBlog   Sep-27-11 11:44 PM   #24 
  - We are done, FINIS, DUNZO, its over, call in the clowns....  Bennyboy   Sep-27-11 09:14 PM   #20 
  - You sure you want MORE clowns?  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:10 AM   #60 
  - If you think that is bad......  left on green only   Sep-27-11 09:36 PM   #21 
  - Voter fraud would be something YOU did. This is ELECTION fraud.  aquart   Sep-28-11 03:43 AM   #37 
     - Thank you for the correction  left on green only   Sep-28-11 01:27 PM   #147 
  - Just another actor earning a living in a mundane job... not !!! WELL DONE BRAD!  Ellipsis   Sep-27-11 10:24 PM   #22 
  - Thanks...But on that "earning a living" part.... :-(  BradBlog   Sep-27-11 11:46 PM   #25 
  - Since 2004 I've been wondering...  Nictuku   Sep-27-11 10:51 PM   #23 
  - Call for Anonymous, line 1...Anonymous, please pick up line 1...  BradBlog   Sep-27-11 11:47 PM   #27 
  - They ALL know how easy it is to hack it.  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:17 AM   #64 
     - Democracy is all smoke and mirrors, just an illusion. It's not real. nt  valerief   Sep-28-11 02:48 PM   #170 
  - Worse than anyone expected.  blkmusclmachine   Sep-27-11 11:46 PM   #26 
  - Oh, I wouldn't be too sure of that.  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:22 AM   #68 
  - So when will somebody fix this?  Lugnut   Sep-28-11 12:06 AM   #28 
  - Time for hackers to swing things in a Democratic direction!!  gtar100   Sep-28-11 12:07 AM   #29 
  - That won't be enough to change anything  Tyrone Slothrop   Sep-28-11 01:24 AM   #32 
  - Amen, Tyrone. This is an outrage that we've all been screaming about  Nay   Sep-28-11 05:44 AM   #50 
  - Bingo!  City Lights   Sep-28-11 06:45 AM   #55 
  - My nominee for thread winner, with one teeny amendment:  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:20 AM   #66 
  - Anonymous - where are you!  truedelphi   Sep-28-11 01:29 PM   #148 
  - You're right! I'd love to see that! How about some Communists too...  gtar100   Sep-28-11 01:57 PM   #158 
  - I like the way you think, and agree that beating them at the game is the only way to fix it  Demeter   Sep-28-11 04:20 AM   #42 
  - I don't think nobility or idealism or dreams of bipartisanship on the part of either major Party  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:34 AM   #70 
  - Yes, exactly, two can play at this game.  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:12 AM   #61 
  - Thanks, Brad. This should be passed along by everyone. n/t  Kaleko   Sep-28-11 12:11 AM   #30 
  - Vote a) on paper b) by mail.  boppers   Sep-28-11 02:08 AM   #33 
  - Easy to fake absentee ballots, too.  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:55 AM   #75 
  - Not as easy as stealing 10k votes with the flip of a switch or the whole election.  Aaria   Sep-28-11 12:04 PM   #129 
     - Actually, yes, it IS as easy...  BradBlog   Sep-28-11 03:43 PM   #178 
     - Maybe, but only the outcome counts. (Very easy to discard absentee ballots, too).  No Elephants   Sep-29-11 07:20 AM   #221 
  - Voting by Mail is the LEAST SECURE of all the ways to vote.  bvar22   Sep-28-11 03:25 PM   #174 
  - There is no secure way to vote 100% of the time.  Aaria   Sep-29-11 10:45 AM   #229 
  - ...but some ways are much more secure than others.  bvar22   Sep-29-11 01:21 PM   #237 
  - The US postal service is a very secure way to deliver the ballots.  Aaria   Sep-29-11 10:46 AM   #230 
     - And what happens to them after they are "delivered".  bvar22   Sep-29-11 11:14 AM   #234 
  - (b) is a VERY bad idea...  BradBlog   Sep-28-11 03:41 PM   #177 
     - Interesting critique.  boppers   Sep-28-11 10:54 PM   #214 
  - What's good for the goose  kimsarah   Sep-28-11 02:22 AM   #34 
  - Please see Reply 32.  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:28 AM   #69 
  - Well, I never thought that could happen.  aquart   Sep-28-11 03:41 AM   #36 
  - It would appear and ..just guessing with all the Republican  INdemo   Sep-28-11 09:44 AM   #92 
     - Plans? It's their policy.  aquart   Sep-29-11 02:00 AM   #218 
  - Does that mean elections are rigged? OMG!  dmosh42   Sep-28-11 03:53 AM   #39 
  - Verifiable paper ballots!  hamerfan   Sep-28-11 03:59 AM   #40 
  - K&R  Firebrand Gary   Sep-28-11 04:08 AM   #41 
  - Brad you have been on top of the e-voting nightmare for years - excellent stuff!  slay   Sep-28-11 04:26 AM   #43 
  - Through some means,  Enthusiast   Sep-28-11 05:03 AM   #45 
  - If I had a hammer, I'd hammer in the morning, I'd hammer in the evening, all over this land.  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:36 AM   #71 
  - k&r n/t  w0nderer   Sep-28-11 05:07 AM   #46 
  - Ask yourself, is this why  Enthusiast   Sep-28-11 05:15 AM   #47 
  - Democracy your ass  Hubert Flottz   Sep-28-11 05:17 AM   #48 
  - They had to make it easy enough for the average GOPer to help  liberal N proud   Sep-28-11 05:28 AM   #49 
  - When fascism comes to America  The Wizard   Sep-28-11 05:45 AM   #51 
  - +1 --  defendandprotect   Sep-28-11 12:15 PM   #135 
  - Diebold also makes ATMs for Bank of America  begin_within   Sep-28-11 05:54 AM   #52 
  - From what I've read, not very.  kentauros   Sep-28-11 07:48 AM   #73 
  - In Australia, the ATM's were installed some decade or two back -  truedelphi   Sep-28-11 01:31 PM   #150 
  - A big difference between Bank ATM's and voting ATM's  truedelphi   Sep-28-11 01:36 PM   #152 
     - voting receipts == votes can be bought.  yodermon   Sep-28-11 04:15 PM   #187 
     - receipts don't work, either.  provis99   Sep-28-11 07:16 PM   #199 
  - You know what would finally fix this problem?  Vinca   Sep-28-11 06:40 AM   #53 
  - No, I think what will finally fix this problem is when Anonymous  justiceischeap   Sep-28-11 07:22 AM   #67 
  - and that's not even counting what's done at the county and state level  hobbit709   Sep-28-11 06:40 AM   #54 
  - Brad, In my opinion this was no mistake or glitch but ....  Botany   Sep-28-11 07:06 AM   #58 
  - Of course, it's no accident. Of course, it's by design. Anyone who thinks otherwise has their  valerief   Sep-28-11 08:20 AM   #81 
  - wasn't there a man in florida who said he was approached by arepug  newspeak   Sep-28-11 11:29 AM   #115 
     - yep! That would be Clint Curtis  Botany   Sep-28-11 11:52 AM   #126 
  - In 2004 and in 2006 Democrats stood up and stated that  INdemo   Sep-28-11 07:15 AM   #62 
  - I suppose you want one of them "one person, one vote" ponies.  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:42 AM   #72 
  - You completely missed my point..Election reform has been talked  INdemo   Sep-28-11 08:10 AM   #79 
  - +1 -- ROFL --  defendandprotect   Sep-28-11 08:59 PM   #211 
  - Oh, but they did do something ....  defendandprotect   Sep-28-11 08:58 PM   #210 
  - Huge story  SpiralHawk   Sep-28-11 07:15 AM   #63 
  - Why is ANYONE surprised by this?  theaocp   Sep-28-11 07:53 AM   #74 
  - Who said anyone was surprised?  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 07:59 AM   #76 
  - The only thing I care about anymore is if I can do anything to change this.  No Elephants   Sep-28-11 08:07 AM   #77 
  - K&R  hwmnbn   Sep-28-11 08:11 AM   #80 
  - If you cant beat them; join them.  cppuddy   Sep-28-11 08:21 AM   #82 
  - Point well taken  Yon_Yonson   Sep-28-11 08:37 AM   #85 
  - What makes you think they haven't?  OnyxCollie   Sep-28-11 10:34 AM   #101 
  - This has been known for almost ten years  DFW   Sep-28-11 08:50 AM   #86 
  - Well said. Sad truth.  Overseas   Sep-28-11 09:40 AM   #91 
  - yep, and now exit polls mean squat  newspeak   Sep-28-11 11:37 AM   #117 
  - Outrageous. It should have required at least $4,000 worth of equipment.  slackmaster   Sep-28-11 08:52 AM   #87 
  - K & R nt  yesphan   Sep-28-11 08:54 AM   #88 
  - It's wonderful to see this being reported on today by the MSM...oh wait...I guess they missed this  FourScore   Sep-28-11 09:02 AM   #89 
  - Terrifying. K&R. n/t  beac   Sep-28-11 09:21 AM   #90 
  - This is detectable.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-28-11 09:52 AM   #93 
  - $5.90 for a set of two  Ellipsis   Sep-28-11 10:34 AM   #102 
  - Yep, but they need access too.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-28-11 10:58 AM   #108 
     - Of course... you're right.  Ellipsis   Sep-28-11 11:23 AM   #112 
        - Personally, I'd like to skip on to something like Bitcoin for online voting.  AtheistCrusader   Sep-28-11 11:27 AM   #114 
           - Paper for me, regardles of complicated balots. (There are ways around it)  Ellipsis   Sep-28-11 11:51 AM   #125 
  - I thought the machines are propriety to the corporation  newspeak   Sep-28-11 11:41 AM   #119 
  - yeah, well when acorn bundles suspect voter registrations  newspeak   Sep-28-11 11:50 AM   #122 
  - Physical security over electronic voting machines is often laughable.  Ignis   Sep-28-11 01:29 PM   #149 
  - K&R  patrice   Sep-28-11 10:01 AM   #94 
  - Nothing will be done about it, unless...  Amonester   Sep-28-11 10:16 AM   #95 
  - In NM we fought for voter-verified, auditable ballots  duhneece   Sep-28-11 10:18 AM   #97 
  - please. this is soooooo 2004..  frylock   Sep-28-11 10:22 AM   #98 
  - Makes you suspicious doesn't it?  Mosaic   Sep-28-11 12:42 PM   #139 
  - there will be no sig election reform until the 'left' challenges RW talk radio  certainot   Sep-28-11 10:35 AM   #103 
  - It's certainot, the one-trick pony, dragging out his tired RW radio screed.  OnyxCollie   Sep-28-11 11:21 AM   #111 
  - i'm beginning to think you're troll, worried about real challenge to RW radio  certainot   Sep-28-11 01:48 PM   #154 
     - "Lazy naive left"  OnyxCollie   Sep-28-11 02:23 PM   #165 
        - i've been observing it for 20+ years, long enough to see it beat the crap out of liberal reps  certainot   Sep-28-11 04:22 PM   #189 
           - If you're going to hijack a thread  OnyxCollie   Sep-28-11 10:10 PM   #213 
              - you are a twit. everything the left wants is lessened because it ignores RW radio  certainot   Sep-29-11 12:13 AM   #216 
                 - You're cute when you get mad.  OnyxCollie   Sep-29-11 12:47 AM   #217 
  - You are absolutely right...  BradBlog   Sep-28-11 03:49 PM   #182 
     - yep AMERICANS need to get it done  certainot   Sep-28-11 04:09 PM   #186 
  - How many states are still using Diebold voting machines?  jwirr   Sep-28-11 10:48 AM   #105 
  - We need to look forward, not backward.  OnyxCollie   Sep-28-11 10:48 AM   #106 
  - Are there any actual statements/reports from Argonne on this?  The_Casual_Observer   Sep-28-11 10:52 AM   #107 
  - so, you have repugs yelling voter fraud and  newspeak   Sep-28-11 11:17 AM   #110 
  - What perfect technological synergy.  DeSwiss   Sep-28-11 11:24 AM   #113 
  - Diebold needs to refund the money that every state paid for that  Hubert Flottz   Sep-28-11 11:37 AM   #116 
  - Yes please!  Overseas   Sep-28-11 01:00 PM   #142 
  - K&R  raouldukelives   Sep-28-11 11:51 AM   #123 
  - Why are there STILL touch screen machines?????????  orbitalman   Sep-28-11 12:05 PM   #130 
  - Great question -- !!! Let's ask the Democrats -- !!!  defendandprotect   Sep-28-11 12:16 PM   #136 
  - You think Democrats buy the machines in REPUBLICAN areas ?????  vets74   Sep-28-11 02:13 PM   #163 
     - You think they shouldn't have a say about it -- ???? Wow!!  defendandprotect   Sep-28-11 08:37 PM   #205 
  - Because with them, rich people get richer and that's the most important thing in the world. nt  valerief   Sep-28-11 02:46 PM   #169 
  - They should dismantle all those machines  caseymoz   Sep-28-11 12:12 PM   #134 
  - was wondering when  iamthebandfanman   Sep-28-11 12:21 PM   #137 
  - Great...write out the instructions and distribute widely two days  rasputinkhlyst   Sep-28-11 12:28 PM   #138 
  - Been talking about this for years.  Dutchmaster   Sep-28-11 12:50 PM   #140 
  - Kathy Nickolaus and her special remote control purse  Blue Owl   Sep-28-11 01:00 PM   #141 
  - If Nothing is Done to rid us of these machines....  fascisthunter   Sep-28-11 01:05 PM   #143 
  - This is probably how Bush won in Ohio in 2004!  David Sky   Sep-28-11 01:06 PM   #144 
  - Obviousness  colsohlibgal   Sep-28-11 01:07 PM   #145 
  - I care not if it takes one or two weeks to determine a winner  newspeak   Sep-28-11 02:07 PM   #159 
     - It doesn't. Even if every ballot is PUBLICLY hand-counted as it should be...  BradBlog   Sep-28-11 03:45 PM   #180 
        - you're right bradblog  newspeak   Sep-29-11 10:37 AM   #228 
  - So easy, even a Republican can do it. n/t  SpankMe   Sep-28-11 01:35 PM   #151 
  - I hope this goes viral  LittleGirl   Sep-28-11 01:47 PM   #153 
  - Thanks much, LG! Very much appreciated! (n/t)  BradBlog   Sep-28-11 03:51 PM   #183 
  - Well, just stop teaching science after 7th grade then  Electric Monk   Sep-28-11 01:50 PM   #156 
  - Kill Diebold Now!  Mosaic   Sep-28-11 01:51 PM   #157 
  - K&R Anyone else wonder where Susan Bonzon Ralston is today?  bobthedrummer   Sep-28-11 02:12 PM   #162 
  - This is why!  ProgressivePhil   Sep-28-11 02:35 PM   #167 
  - I've sent this to my congress-critters, and posted to my journal. HELP!  elleng   Sep-28-11 02:44 PM   #168 
  - I hate to be a cynic, but...  YvonneCa   Sep-28-11 04:20 PM   #188 
  - Good for your previous work.  elleng   Sep-28-11 04:30 PM   #190 
     - Most people are still asleep on this...  YvonneCa   Sep-28-11 06:28 PM   #197 
        - Probably right. Damn  elleng   Sep-28-11 06:37 PM   #198 
        - Psst. The DNC knows.  No Elephants   Sep-29-11 07:38 AM   #224 
           - And we ought to hammer them/it about it,  elleng   Sep-29-11 09:29 AM   #227 
              - I agree, but if the hammering is not done...  YvonneCa   Sep-29-11 01:09 PM   #236 
                 - Yes, which is why I've posted several times at DU,  elleng   Sep-29-11 01:49 PM   #238 
                    - All great things...  YvonneCa   Sep-29-11 03:36 PM   #239 
        - Ordinary folks, yes. "Congresscritters," no. The latter are very well aware of this.  No Elephants   Sep-29-11 07:39 AM   #225 
           - I agree. n/t  YvonneCa   Sep-29-11 01:07 PM   #235 
  - I don't get it.  No Elephants   Sep-29-11 07:36 AM   #223 
  - This is where all this shit started!  icymist   Sep-28-11 02:48 PM   #171 
  - K&R n/t  myrna minx   Sep-28-11 02:56 PM   #172 
  - Fight back now.  below the beltway   Sep-28-11 03:34 PM   #175 
  - Over 92% of the American People support Transparent Verifiable Elections...  bvar22   Sep-28-11 03:35 PM   #176 
  - It only cost as much as $26 because they bought all the parts new.  saras   Sep-28-11 04:09 PM   #185 
  - K/R  moondust   Sep-28-11 04:45 PM   #191 
  - K&R  Luciferous   Sep-28-11 05:40 PM   #193 
  - Kick for "fixing" this problem asap.  glinda   Sep-28-11 06:06 PM   #194 
  - Heard Thom Hartmann talk about this and give you credit today!  senseandsensibility   Sep-28-11 06:13 PM   #195 
  - they manage to make ATM machines that are fine, why not these?  CarrieLynne   Sep-28-11 08:03 PM   #201 
  - Because of the anonymity involved in casting your vote.  Ellipsis   Sep-28-11 08:12 PM   #202 
  - To me this is scarier than anything al-Qaeda could ever dream of.  Initech   Sep-28-11 08:53 PM   #208 
  - Y'ALL GET STUPID AND DON'T VOTE, HEA' !!!  vets74   Sep-28-11 09:07 PM   #212 
  - I don't think you understand the problem...  BradBlog   Sep-29-11 12:02 AM   #215 
  - The real problem... is Ohio.  vets74   Sep-29-11 06:36 AM   #219 
  - LOL!  No Elephants   Sep-29-11 07:40 AM   #226 
  - Kick  windowpilot   Sep-29-11 06:40 AM   #220 
  - this one should never die.........................nt  Stuart G   Sep-29-11 03:39 PM   #240 

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