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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-24-11 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #18
67. Touching someone else's personal property is not comparable to speech..
Edited on Sat Sep-24-11 10:47 AM by No Elephants
I've not heard of instances were people have been jailed for making noise at a concert, such as booing or cheering or singing along (often very badly), even if so doing drowned out the performers.

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  -Irvine 11: Jury reaches verdict in free-speech case aggiesal  Sep-23-11 01:50 PM   #0 
  - deliberate & malicious interuptions of a presentation by others have consequences. n  msongs   Sep-23-11 01:56 PM   #1 
  - Yup, these 11 stood up ...  aggiesal   Sep-23-11 01:58 PM   #3 
  - Self-deleted  Kelvin Mace   Sep-23-11 02:18 PM   #10 
  - Indistinguishable from a Governor Reagan speech during the crackdown on students.  JackRiddler   Sep-23-11 04:21 PM   #19 
  - Too bad Tea Baggers weren't held to that standard during Health Care Debate  Bandit   Sep-23-11 06:11 PM   #32 
  - "deliberate & malicious interuptions of a presentation by others have consequences"  Heywood J   Sep-23-11 06:56 PM   #38 
  - People used to practice civility.  Indydem   Sep-23-11 01:57 PM   #2 
  - "Free speech has limits"....did you read that back after you typed it or did you just hit enter?  truebrit71   Sep-23-11 02:05 PM   #4 
  - Free speech has limits.  Indydem   Sep-23-11 02:09 PM   #6 
     - One more time  Kelvin Mace   Sep-23-11 02:24 PM   #11 
     - Sure you can.....  DeSwiss   Sep-23-11 05:52 PM   #29 
     - Was the ballroom on fire?  Psephos   Sep-23-11 10:39 PM   #51 
     - I realize that metaphor is lost on most...... :-/ n/t  DeSwiss   Sep-23-11 11:10 PM   #52 
     - I get your metaphor  Kelvin Mace   Sep-24-11 09:54 AM   #56 
        - ' clouds the issue."  DeSwiss   Sep-24-11 11:49 AM   #71 
     - And people tell me I'm too literal.  No Elephants   Sep-24-11 10:12 AM   #59 
     - Thank you for this post.  boppers   Sep-24-11 03:08 PM   #79 
     - "It was pure showmanship"  Heywood J   Sep-23-11 06:50 PM   #35 
  - Rev Falwell main streamed shouting down others when  alfredo   Sep-23-11 02:06 PM   #5 
  - Well then,  Indydem   Sep-23-11 02:10 PM   #7 
     - No, but we should call them out on their rudeness.  alfredo   Sep-23-11 02:15 PM   #9 
     - Nah, it's easier  Kelvin Mace   Sep-23-11 03:19 PM   #14 
        - I'm sure some will agree with you, especially those who  alfredo   Sep-23-11 04:20 PM   #17 
        - Or criminalize malicious organized disruptions of private events.  Kurska   Sep-23-11 04:20 PM   #18 
           - *sigh*  Kelvin Mace   Sep-23-11 04:31 PM   #22 
           - Both were private events, I fail to see the difference because one was free. n/t  Kurska   Sep-23-11 04:40 PM   #23 
              - show me the contract Einstein.  U4ikLefty   Sep-23-11 04:54 PM   #25 
              - " a crowded UC Irvine ballroom."  DeSwiss   Sep-23-11 06:01 PM   #30 
              - Hmmm...  Kelvin Mace   Sep-24-11 09:29 AM   #54 
           - Touching someone else's personal property is not comparable to speech..  No Elephants   Sep-24-11 10:45 AM   #67 
     - This isn't about what "we" should be, but about the rights of all individuals.  JackRiddler   Sep-23-11 04:19 PM   #16 
        - It was a private event, this isn't a first amendment issue. n/t  Kurska   Sep-23-11 04:21 PM   #20 
           - How was it a private event?  No Elephants   Sep-24-11 10:25 AM   #63 
  - "Now if we don't like someone's message we shout over them and act like animals."  KansDem   Sep-23-11 02:11 PM   #8 
  - Indeed, we should hold ourselves to higher standards. n/t  Kurska   Sep-23-11 02:24 PM   #12 
  - You are free to do so, but voluntarily.  No Elephants   Sep-24-11 10:27 AM   #64 
  - No one is arresting folk at Fox.  No Elephants   Sep-24-11 10:25 AM   #62 
  - That only seems to be the case  Kelvin Mace   Sep-23-11 03:08 PM   #13 
     - Brilliant, obvious, and effective  saras   Sep-23-11 06:23 PM   #34 
     - I am not sure every Arab who takes an anti-Israel stance is "left of center."  No Elephants   Sep-24-11 10:21 AM   #61 
  - The powerful...the rich...and the crazy (as in Perry and Palin) can say all they want...  SoapBox   Sep-23-11 04:16 PM   #15 
  - I generally dislike this form of 'activism', and the defense's argument that  petronius   Sep-23-11 04:26 PM   #21 
  - I agree with everything you say  Kelvin Mace   Sep-24-11 10:01 AM   #57 
  - Fair point. My objection was to the notion that taking away this particular mode of protest  petronius   Sep-24-11 12:24 PM   #76 
  - +1. nt  bemildred   Sep-24-11 10:13 AM   #60 
  - This as all about protecting Israel.  U4ikLefty   Sep-23-11 04:49 PM   #24 
  - disgusting! further proof of the stranglehold that Israel has on most levels of US politics & policy  stockholmer   Sep-23-11 05:34 PM   #26 
  - Orange County, long known as a bastion of civil rights. This verdict will  coalition_unwilling   Sep-23-11 05:39 PM   #27 
  - How many Muslims live in Orange County?  Major Hogwash   Sep-23-11 06:05 PM   #31 
  - It's OK  azureblue   Sep-23-11 05:41 PM   #28 
  - Disrupting speech is NOT free speech! simple as that!  alp227   Sep-23-11 06:21 PM   #33 
  - You know, you're right.  Heywood J   Sep-23-11 06:54 PM   #36 
  - NO, i mean disrupting events like what these students did.  alp227   Sep-23-11 06:56 PM   #37 
     - "disrupting events"  Heywood J   Sep-23-11 06:58 PM   #39 
     - are you seriously comparing the Israeli ambassador speech to a KKK rally?  alp227   Sep-23-11 07:32 PM   #41 
        - A public university is ...  aggiesal   Sep-23-11 07:38 PM   #42 
        - For the sake of the thread, I'm not getting into I/P politics  Heywood J   Sep-23-11 07:44 PM   #43 
        - Why is it so hard to understand the difference between expression and disruption????  alp227   Sep-23-11 08:15 PM   #47 
        - To the protestors, he may be the equivalent. I don't think the way to analyze this is  No Elephants   Sep-24-11 10:34 AM   #65 
           - The CA Supreme Court actually decided, when it addressed this law, that context  petronius   Sep-24-11 12:10 PM   #74 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-23-11 06:58 PM   #40 
     - Publicly funded university  Kelvin Mace   Sep-24-11 10:04 AM   #58 
  - All together now  Kelvin Mace   Sep-24-11 09:49 AM   #55 
  - Students have no obligation to grant anyone free speech and that is simply true.  No Elephants   Sep-24-11 10:42 AM   #66 
  - This reminds me of the ruling that matching funds dilute the free speech of the rich.  McCamy Taylor   Sep-23-11 08:03 PM   #44 
  - I thought there were only 10  vminfla   Sep-23-11 08:10 PM   #45 
  - 10 that organized  aggiesal   Sep-23-11 08:13 PM   #46 
     - oh, you mean the 10 incited a riot.  vminfla   Sep-23-11 08:17 PM   #48 
        - You forgot to display the SARCASM icon n/t  aggiesal   Sep-23-11 08:37 PM   #49 
           - What sarcasm  vminfla   Sep-23-11 10:06 PM   #50 
              - Not true ...  aggiesal   Sep-24-11 11:17 AM   #70 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Sep-24-11 12:00 PM   #72 
                 - True  vminfla   Sep-24-11 02:51 PM   #78 
  - Freedom Works Organized Tea Partiers To Do The Same Thing During HCR Debate  TomCADem   Sep-24-11 12:27 AM   #53 
  - Lesson: don't interrupt the Israeli government anytime anywhere.  plumbob   Sep-24-11 10:54 AM   #68 
  - I don't think we can discuss this thoughtfully without knowing exactly what they were convicted of.  No Elephants   Sep-24-11 10:54 AM   #69 
  - It would have been CPC 403  petronius   Sep-24-11 12:02 PM   #73 
  - I'm sorry, but those students were being rude assholes.  Odin2005   Sep-24-11 12:23 PM   #75 
     - agree, this is indefensible, and why's it so hard to understand the diff  alp227   Sep-24-11 02:02 PM   #77 
     - Were the people who staged protests in the US during the 60s assholes?  Ash_F   Sep-24-11 04:59 PM   #80 

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