Kelvin Mace
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Sat Sep-24-11 09:29 AM
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The event was open to the students and the public and held in a public venue.
Harvard is a private university, UC is not.
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| -Irvine 11: Jury reaches verdict in free-speech case |
aggiesal |
Sep-23-11 01:50 PM |
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deliberate & malicious interuptions of a presentation by others have consequences. n |
msongs |
Sep-23-11 01:56 PM |
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Yup, these 11 stood up ... |
aggiesal |
Sep-23-11 01:58 PM |
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Self-deleted |
Kelvin Mace |
Sep-23-11 02:18 PM |
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Indistinguishable from a Governor Reagan speech during the crackdown on students. |
JackRiddler |
Sep-23-11 04:21 PM |
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Too bad Tea Baggers weren't held to that standard during Health Care Debate |
Bandit |
Sep-23-11 06:11 PM |
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"deliberate & malicious interuptions of a presentation by others have consequences" |
Heywood J |
Sep-23-11 06:56 PM |
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People used to practice civility. |
Indydem |
Sep-23-11 01:57 PM |
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"Free speech has limits"....did you read that back after you typed it or did you just hit enter? |
truebrit71 |
Sep-23-11 02:05 PM |
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Free speech has limits. |
Indydem |
Sep-23-11 02:09 PM |
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One more time |
Kelvin Mace |
Sep-23-11 02:24 PM |
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Sure you can..... |
DeSwiss |
Sep-23-11 05:52 PM |
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Was the ballroom on fire? |
Psephos |
Sep-23-11 10:39 PM |
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I realize that metaphor is lost on most...... :-/ n/t |
DeSwiss |
Sep-23-11 11:10 PM |
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I get your metaphor |
Kelvin Mace |
Sep-24-11 09:54 AM |
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'....it clouds the issue." |
DeSwiss |
Sep-24-11 11:49 AM |
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And people tell me I'm too literal. |
No Elephants |
Sep-24-11 10:12 AM |
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Thank you for this post. |
boppers |
Sep-24-11 03:08 PM |
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"It was pure showmanship" |
Heywood J |
Sep-23-11 06:50 PM |
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Rev Falwell main streamed shouting down others when |
alfredo |
Sep-23-11 02:06 PM |
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Well then, |
Indydem |
Sep-23-11 02:10 PM |
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No, but we should call them out on their rudeness. |
alfredo |
Sep-23-11 02:15 PM |
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Nah, it's easier |
Kelvin Mace |
Sep-23-11 03:19 PM |
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I'm sure some will agree with you, especially those who |
alfredo |
Sep-23-11 04:20 PM |
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Or criminalize malicious organized disruptions of private events. |
Kurska |
Sep-23-11 04:20 PM |
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*sigh* |
Kelvin Mace |
Sep-23-11 04:31 PM |
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Both were private events, I fail to see the difference because one was free. n/t |
Kurska |
Sep-23-11 04:40 PM |
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show me the contract Einstein. |
U4ikLefty |
Sep-23-11 04:54 PM |
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"....in a crowded UC Irvine ballroom." |
DeSwiss |
Sep-23-11 06:01 PM |
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Hmmm... |
Kelvin Mace |
Sep-24-11 09:29 AM |
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Touching someone else's personal property is not comparable to speech.. |
No Elephants |
Sep-24-11 10:45 AM |
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This isn't about what "we" should be, but about the rights of all individuals. |
JackRiddler |
Sep-23-11 04:19 PM |
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It was a private event, this isn't a first amendment issue. n/t |
Kurska |
Sep-23-11 04:21 PM |
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How was it a private event? |
No Elephants |
Sep-24-11 10:25 AM |
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"Now if we don't like someone's message we shout over them and act like animals." |
KansDem |
Sep-23-11 02:11 PM |
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Indeed, we should hold ourselves to higher standards. n/t |
Kurska |
Sep-23-11 02:24 PM |
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You are free to do so, but voluntarily. |
No Elephants |
Sep-24-11 10:27 AM |
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No one is arresting folk at Fox. |
No Elephants |
Sep-24-11 10:25 AM |
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That only seems to be the case |
Kelvin Mace |
Sep-23-11 03:08 PM |
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Brilliant, obvious, and effective |
saras |
Sep-23-11 06:23 PM |
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I am not sure every Arab who takes an anti-Israel stance is "left of center." |
No Elephants |
Sep-24-11 10:21 AM |
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The powerful...the rich...and the crazy (as in Perry and Palin) can say all they want... |
SoapBox |
Sep-23-11 04:16 PM |
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I generally dislike this form of 'activism', and the defense's argument that |
petronius |
Sep-23-11 04:26 PM |
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I agree with everything you say |
Kelvin Mace |
Sep-24-11 10:01 AM |
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Fair point. My objection was to the notion that taking away this particular mode of protest |
petronius |
Sep-24-11 12:24 PM |
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+1. nt |
bemildred |
Sep-24-11 10:13 AM |
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This as all about protecting Israel. |
U4ikLefty |
Sep-23-11 04:49 PM |
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disgusting! further proof of the stranglehold that Israel has on most levels of US politics & policy |
stockholmer |
Sep-23-11 05:34 PM |
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Orange County, long known as a bastion of civil rights. This verdict will |
coalition_unwilling |
Sep-23-11 05:39 PM |
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How many Muslims live in Orange County? |
Major Hogwash |
Sep-23-11 06:05 PM |
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It's OK |
azureblue |
Sep-23-11 05:41 PM |
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Disrupting speech is NOT free speech! simple as that! |
alp227 |
Sep-23-11 06:21 PM |
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You know, you're right. |
Heywood J |
Sep-23-11 06:54 PM |
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NO, i mean disrupting events like what these students did. |
alp227 |
Sep-23-11 06:56 PM |
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"disrupting events" |
Heywood J |
Sep-23-11 06:58 PM |
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are you seriously comparing the Israeli ambassador speech to a KKK rally? |
alp227 |
Sep-23-11 07:32 PM |
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A public university is ... |
aggiesal |
Sep-23-11 07:38 PM |
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For the sake of the thread, I'm not getting into I/P politics |
Heywood J |
Sep-23-11 07:44 PM |
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Why is it so hard to understand the difference between expression and disruption???? |
alp227 |
Sep-23-11 08:15 PM |
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To the protestors, he may be the equivalent. I don't think the way to analyze this is |
No Elephants |
Sep-24-11 10:34 AM |
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The CA Supreme Court actually decided, when it addressed this law, that context |
petronius |
Sep-24-11 12:10 PM |
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Sep-23-11 06:58 PM |
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Publicly funded university |
Kelvin Mace |
Sep-24-11 10:04 AM |
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All together now |
Kelvin Mace |
Sep-24-11 09:49 AM |
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Students have no obligation to grant anyone free speech and that is simply true. |
No Elephants |
Sep-24-11 10:42 AM |
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This reminds me of the ruling that matching funds dilute the free speech of the rich. |
McCamy Taylor |
Sep-23-11 08:03 PM |
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I thought there were only 10 |
vminfla |
Sep-23-11 08:10 PM |
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10 that organized |
aggiesal |
Sep-23-11 08:13 PM |
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oh, you mean the 10 incited a riot. |
vminfla |
Sep-23-11 08:17 PM |
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You forgot to display the SARCASM icon n/t |
aggiesal |
Sep-23-11 08:37 PM |
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What sarcasm |
vminfla |
Sep-23-11 10:06 PM |
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Not true ... |
aggiesal |
Sep-24-11 11:17 AM |
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Sep-24-11 12:00 PM |
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True |
vminfla |
Sep-24-11 02:51 PM |
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Freedom Works Organized Tea Partiers To Do The Same Thing During HCR Debate |
TomCADem |
Sep-24-11 12:27 AM |
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Lesson: don't interrupt the Israeli government anytime anywhere. |
plumbob |
Sep-24-11 10:54 AM |
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I don't think we can discuss this thoughtfully without knowing exactly what they were convicted of. |
No Elephants |
Sep-24-11 10:54 AM |
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It would have been CPC 403 |
petronius |
Sep-24-11 12:02 PM |
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I'm sorry, but those students were being rude assholes. |
Odin2005 |
Sep-24-11 12:23 PM |
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agree, this is indefensible, and why's it so hard to understand the diff |
alp227 |
Sep-24-11 02:02 PM |
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Were the people who staged protests in the US during the 60s assholes? |
Ash_F |
Sep-24-11 04:59 PM |
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