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Fri Sep-16-11 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #55 |
| 66. The ideas embodied in the DOI are products of the Age of Enlightenment... |
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The apply to every individual, including atheists, who were "created" by Nature.
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| -Praying in Paris streets outlawed |
Bosonic |
Sep-15-11 04:42 PM |
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Well, they do not have 1st Amendment rights in France. |
Cool Logic |
Sep-15-11 04:46 PM |
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I had an argument in Paris with my friend Jacques about head scarves. |
CTyankee |
Sep-15-11 04:56 PM |
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What do they do in that place in France where the women don't wear pants? |
jberryhill |
Sep-15-11 05:01 PM |
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Hey, don't ask me! I'm just reporting what my buddy Jacques said! |
CTyankee |
Sep-15-11 07:09 PM |
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The problem is that France has had such an influx of Muslim immigrants the natives are freaked out. |
yardwork |
Sep-15-11 05:23 PM |
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Exactly! I said to Jacques: "This is the price you pay for going into the Magreb in the first place. |
CTyankee |
Sep-15-11 07:10 PM |
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That would not be tolerated in New York City... |
rfranklin |
Sep-15-11 06:11 PM |
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So I said to jacques! I said they'd get the ACLU on their butts so fast |
CTyankee |
Sep-15-11 07:11 PM |
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Actually, they'd get flattened without a second thought. So would |
smirkymonkey |
Sep-16-11 07:07 AM |
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The Atlantic Ocean insulated the US from the 18th Century collectivism... |
Cool Logic |
Sep-15-11 10:44 PM |
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France's secularism is an embrace of reason. |
Lance_Boyle |
Sep-16-11 06:34 AM |
#54 |
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The US is a secularist state; however... |
Cool Logic |
Sep-16-11 10:36 AM |
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That's basically the difference between the Continental and the Anglo-Saxon idea of rights |
Spider Jerusalem |
Sep-16-11 10:00 PM |
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I assume that's a joke |
dipsydoodle |
Sep-15-11 05:20 PM |
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I disagree that the U.S. Constitution has no meaning outside the U.S. |
Hosnon |
Sep-15-11 05:42 PM |
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Check out article 4 of the french declaration of the rights of man and citizen |
alp227 |
Sep-15-11 06:30 PM |
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Please see my comments above with my friend Jacques in Paris in April. |
CTyankee |
Sep-15-11 07:13 PM |
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Im not sure |
quakerboy |
Sep-16-11 09:28 PM |
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interesting perspective. banning prayer sounds SO MUCH like thoughtcrime, IMO |
alp227 |
Sep-16-11 10:25 PM |
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I am mostly with you |
quakerboy |
Sep-17-11 01:15 AM |
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Well, they aren't banning prayer--they're banning assembling in large groups in public places |
MADem |
Sep-18-11 12:11 AM |
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Are you suggesting that People living outside of the US have no rights...? |
Cool Logic |
Sep-15-11 10:46 PM |
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Whilst outside of the US |
dipsydoodle |
Sep-16-11 04:07 AM |
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Indeed, they do. However, just because a particular country does not recognize individual rights... |
Cool Logic |
Sep-16-11 04:26 AM |
#51 |
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since when does decl of indep count outside the US? |
w0nderer |
Sep-16-11 06:48 AM |
#55 |
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The ideas embodied in the DOI are products of the Age of Enlightenment... |
Cool Logic |
Sep-16-11 10:40 AM |
#66 |
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This argument is quickly going to head into Philosophy of Law territory. |
Hosnon |
Sep-16-11 10:44 AM |
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That is true; however, my point is that the lack of *recognized* rights... |
Cool Logic |
Sep-16-11 11:08 AM |
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I'm not touching "the source" of such rights with a ten foot pole. |
Hosnon |
Sep-16-11 11:10 AM |
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Yes, but your only support for that argument is the D of I, something that was never even |
No Elephants |
Sep-16-11 02:57 PM |
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Bear in mnd, those words were written by a slaveowner and raper. |
No Elephants |
Sep-16-11 02:54 PM |
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The First Amendment doesn't give you the right to block the street |
tabasco |
Sep-15-11 07:02 PM |
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That is true; however, a well positioned soap box does not block the street. |
Cool Logic |
Sep-15-11 10:27 PM |
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How would the 1st amendment apply here? |
popsicle ricky |
Sep-15-11 07:19 PM |
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A number of things to add here........... |
backtomn |
Sep-15-11 07:52 PM |
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The 1st Amendment has been incorporated by way of the 14th |
kelly1mm |
Sep-15-11 09:21 PM |
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+1. nt. |
Hosnon |
Sep-16-11 10:40 AM |
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The 14th amendment changed that. Or, so says the SCOTUS. |
No Elephants |
Sep-16-11 02:59 PM |
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Actually, what it says is that "Congress shall make no law..." |
Cool Logic |
Sep-15-11 10:48 PM |
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But we also have established law around "time, place and manner" as they |
CTyankee |
Sep-16-11 08:08 AM |
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I have no quarrel with common sense... |
Cool Logic |
Sep-16-11 10:50 AM |
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"Congress" has been interpreted to mean the federal government. |
Hosnon |
Sep-16-11 10:40 AM |
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Nevertheless, the 1st Amendment has not been re-written. It says what it says. |
Cool Logic |
Sep-16-11 10:48 AM |
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It says what it says but the SCOTUS has interpreted it. |
Hosnon |
Sep-16-11 10:55 AM |
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With Plessy v. Ferguson, the SCOTUS upheld the constitutionality |
Cool Logic |
Sep-16-11 11:02 AM |
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The SCOTUS isn't infallible, if that's your point. |
Hosnon |
Sep-16-11 11:08 AM |
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SCOTUS says the 14th made certain rights in the bill of rights as applicable |
No Elephants |
Sep-16-11 03:04 PM |
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You left out some critical words. |
No Elephants |
Sep-16-11 03:01 PM |
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I wonder what will happen with all those (good friday?) Catholic parades around easter. |
uppityperson |
Sep-15-11 04:47 PM |
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well, technically, that's not praying |
Confusious |
Sep-15-11 04:56 PM |
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Easter processional, led by a priest, with people walking behind with palm leaves, etc? |
uppityperson |
Sep-15-11 05:59 PM |
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Yea, That would be it. nt |
Confusious |
Sep-16-11 03:19 PM |
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The "principles of secularism" |
LARED |
Sep-15-11 04:57 PM |
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Closets are for praying, not for gays |
izquierdista |
Sep-15-11 05:01 PM |
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It may not tell Muslims the same thing that it tells "us," though. Or Buddhists. Or...well, you |
No Elephants |
Sep-16-11 03:07 PM |
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how Graham Greene of Sarko... |
MisterP |
Sep-15-11 05:13 PM |
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This is asking for trouble. And will polarize the populace. |
Metta |
Sep-15-11 05:15 PM |
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I could get behind that |
Bragi |
Sep-15-11 05:18 PM |
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Does that include the public oaths which include the word "god" |
dixiegrrrrl |
Sep-15-11 05:30 PM |
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Yeah that would be great too. |
progressoid |
Sep-15-11 05:33 PM |
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great point |
fascisthunter |
Sep-15-11 05:39 PM |
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Feh. I'm indifferent to that. It isn't "praying". /nt |
Bragi |
Sep-16-11 04:47 AM |
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I admit that our lives are much easier and much more convenient |
LanternWaste |
Sep-16-11 07:14 AM |
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Sep-16-11 07:53 AM |
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Why should I have to listen to Republican speeches? I hate what they're saying! |
chrisa |
Sep-16-11 07:36 AM |
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I can't make up my mind on this. |
Wait Wut |
Sep-15-11 05:24 PM |
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from the article- it would appear that these prayers block streets and sidewalks |
RyanPsych |
Sep-15-11 06:43 PM |
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Thanks. |
Wait Wut |
Sep-15-11 06:52 PM |
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A planet with no religion would be my perfect place. |
sarcasmo |
Sep-15-11 05:27 PM |
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I wonder if they'd know I was praying? |
saras |
Sep-15-11 05:45 PM |
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Time to bring back the guillotine. |
TexasProgresive |
Sep-15-11 06:01 PM |
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Procession de la Sanch, during "Holy Week", does this count? |
uppityperson |
Sep-15-11 06:08 PM |
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Eeek! |
Bosonic |
Sep-15-11 06:19 PM |
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targeting one religious group... |
fascisthunter |
Sep-15-11 06:11 PM |
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well, this law targets ANY religious person who prays in public |
alp227 |
Sep-15-11 06:29 PM |
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it is stupid... it effects everyone |
fascisthunter |
Sep-15-11 08:37 PM |
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For those who have not been there when this goes on... |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-15-11 08:31 PM |
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Then why not a law against street blocking? And why the verbiage about France being a secular state |
No Elephants |
Sep-16-11 03:13 PM |
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Good question...and I do not know enough about current French law to answer you |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Sep-16-11 06:02 PM |
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Sep-15-11 08:56 PM |
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Their regularly praying in public is passive aggression. Those who do this want |
snagglepuss |
Sep-15-11 09:02 PM |
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Try praying in the road here. Any kind of road, any kind of prayer. |
sudopod |
Sep-15-11 11:29 PM |
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Good. "And when you pray, go into a closet..." |
Duer 157099 |
Sep-15-11 11:42 PM |
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What a stupid law. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Sep-16-11 01:03 AM |
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So you think it's okay |
leftynyc |
Sep-16-11 10:28 AM |
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Of course not, but the law is written much more broadly. |
Starbucks Anarchist |
Sep-16-11 02:35 PM |
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gotta link? |
reorg |
Sep-16-11 06:24 PM |
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how about a law re: obstructing traffic/et al? Would make more sense |
The Straight Story |
Sep-16-11 06:25 PM |
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well, that's what this ordinance appears to be all about |
reorg |
Sep-16-11 06:56 PM |
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Sep-16-11 03:19 AM |
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Praying should be ok, blocking traffic is an offense |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Sep-16-11 05:50 AM |
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Actually, it sounds like praying is a-ok. You just can't prostrate yourself all over the place... |
Honeycombe8 |
Sep-16-11 10:07 PM |
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Stupid hateful law. |
harun |
Sep-16-11 10:07 AM |
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Look at all those people wasting valuable time, really add it up.. |
snooper2 |
Sep-16-11 10:26 AM |
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I LOVE France. It might be time to move there. |
NoodleyAppendage |
Sep-16-11 10:58 AM |
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The French work fewer hours than Americans do. They have universal health care. |
Honeycombe8 |
Sep-16-11 10:10 PM |
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Same here. |
krabigirl |
Sep-18-11 01:11 AM |
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I don't understand. Is the law saying I can't kneel down in the middle of the street to pray ... |
GOTV |
Sep-16-11 12:05 PM |
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Is that France or the Middle East? |
Ter |
Sep-16-11 12:30 PM |
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Its pretty damn ridiculous to say the least... |
and-justice-for-all |
Sep-17-11 11:53 PM |
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Mon Dieu |
War Horse |
Sep-16-11 06:45 PM |
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Remember Anders Breivik? |
moondust |
Sep-16-11 07:17 PM |
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I'd be more worried about people pissing in the streets. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Sep-16-11 09:52 PM |
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I'm sure there are laws against that, too. At least I hope so! nt |
Honeycombe8 |
Sep-16-11 10:11 PM |
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You've clearly never been to Paris :-/ |
Spider Jerusalem |
Sep-17-11 08:40 AM |
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Now, now. Be nice. nt |
Honeycombe8 |
Sep-17-11 08:59 AM |
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Seriously--a more dog-shit covered city I've never seen. nt |
msanthrope |
Sep-18-11 12:19 AM |
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I can see why... |
and-justice-for-all |
Sep-17-11 11:42 PM |
#104 |
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Matthew 6:6 |
BiggJawn |
Sep-18-11 01:52 PM |
#109 |
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