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Mon Sep-12-11 05:24 PM
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| 14. Both parties have some very different opinions on this in their own tents as well |
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Immigration is one area where Perry will be quite vulnerable to the Mittster. If Romney plays his cards right, that (along with SS) could very well cost Perry his lead in the polls.
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| -Calif. bill would protect unlicensed drivers from arrest |
alp227 |
Sep-12-11 04:40 PM |
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I'm pretty sure that the ONE THING that will stop someone from driving is NOT HAVING A CAR. n/t |
Ian David |
Sep-12-11 04:41 PM |
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Did it stop you? |
Downwinder |
Sep-12-11 04:46 PM |
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I can honestly say that I have never driven a car when I did not have one to drive. n/t |
Ian David |
Sep-12-11 07:25 PM |
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I can honestly say that I drove well be for I had a license or my own vehicle. |
Downwinder |
Sep-12-11 08:21 PM |
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If you drive like you write, god help us all. n/t |
Ian David |
Sep-13-11 06:54 AM |
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You want to impound the cars of people who are barred from licenses |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 04:48 PM |
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first of all those people aren't supposed to be here in the first place |
alp227 |
Sep-12-11 04:53 PM |
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None of that justifies grabbing the property of working families. |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 05:45 PM |
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apparently many working class US citizens also are unlicensed drivers? |
alp227 |
Sep-12-11 05:47 PM |
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Maybe you have never been poor. I have. |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 05:50 PM |
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what does being poor have to do with not being able to get a license? |
alp227 |
Sep-12-11 06:00 PM |
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Being unlicensed doesn't mean you never had one. |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 06:05 PM |
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as far as immigration goes, it's more of an argument for the feds to do something |
alp227 |
Sep-12-11 06:09 PM |
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You may not believe this but a ticket over $50 dollars |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 06:16 PM |
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that person should not be driving a car |
pitohui |
Sep-12-11 09:00 PM |
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I drove for a year |
christx30 |
Sep-13-11 04:01 PM |
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Or you have decided that your family still needs to eat. |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 09:58 PM |
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The poor are least likely to be able... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Sep-12-11 07:24 PM |
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well thank you for filling my holes in empathy then |
alp227 |
Sep-12-11 07:51 PM |
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most can be renewed online now |
cutlassmama |
Sep-13-11 04:45 AM |
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In Texas... |
awoke_in_2003 |
Sep-13-11 12:39 PM |
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and that is not so easy for many |
CountAllVotes |
Sep-13-11 12:42 PM |
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Very often, having the car makes people poor |
KamaAina |
Sep-15-11 11:36 AM |
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Two years ago |
christx30 |
Sep-12-11 07:41 PM |
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Thank you so much for defending some of our most vulnerable families. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-12-11 06:18 PM |
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I guess there are people who are so fortunate |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 06:21 PM |
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try that argument on people injured or friends of people killed |
alp227 |
Sep-12-11 07:52 PM |
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But you really aren't addressing it at all. |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 07:57 PM |
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if you read Don Rosenberg's story in the article |
alp227 |
Sep-12-11 08:01 PM |
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You are generalizing from one story? Okay. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 02:01 PM |
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as much as i feel sorry for poor people, the law should favor public safety |
alp227 |
Sep-13-11 05:34 PM |
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Yes, the law should favor public safety and this is exactly why |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 09:45 PM |
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We've tried to get |
Plucketeer |
Sep-12-11 05:55 PM |
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Flags are bullshit; human lives are real. |
ZombieHorde |
Sep-12-11 06:17 PM |
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and if you are descended from European invaders, |
roody |
Sep-14-11 02:05 PM |
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Way to drag disability into this |
KamaAina |
Sep-15-11 11:38 AM |
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If you have no license you are unlikley to have insurance |
ChandlerJr |
Sep-12-11 04:54 PM |
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Why my daughter's car? |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 05:42 PM |
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Running into your daughter as a pedestrian |
dipsydoodle |
Sep-12-11 06:08 PM |
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Most of the undocumented people I know are in a family network |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 06:11 PM |
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I meant |
dipsydoodle |
Sep-12-11 06:38 PM |
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Actually I wasn't referencing citizenship status |
ChandlerJr |
Sep-12-11 07:12 PM |
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Well immigrants have a much lower crime rate than the general pop |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 07:18 PM |
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Insurance coverage is voided when it's revealed that the at-fault driver has no license. |
Psephos |
Sep-13-11 12:30 AM |
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What it means is that while you don't get into accidents |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 01:21 PM |
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It's not "proof" of insurance if the insurance is void because of an unlicensed driver. :) |
Psephos |
Sep-13-11 02:17 PM |
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Sure there is. It's in the glove box with the registration. |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 02:43 PM |
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Oh, paper in the glovebox: problem solved! How could I have been so dense? :) |
Psephos |
Sep-14-11 01:49 PM |
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I have insurance against uninsured drivers. |
hunter |
Sep-14-11 09:35 PM |
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Me too. |
Psephos |
Sep-15-11 12:04 AM |
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It's an interesting stop-gap that puts pressure on to face real immigration issues. |
truthisfreedom |
Sep-12-11 04:51 PM |
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Drivers licenses in CA is not going to pressure a single member of Congress to do anything. |
former9thward |
Sep-12-11 05:06 PM |
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Probably not |
RZM |
Sep-12-11 05:12 PM |
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Both parties are paralyzed. |
former9thward |
Sep-12-11 05:17 PM |
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Both parties have some very different opinions on this in their own tents as well |
RZM |
Sep-12-11 05:24 PM |
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a similar thing briefly happened in NY, then was suddenly reversed i think n/t |
alp227 |
Sep-13-11 05:37 PM |
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Whatever happened in NY it had no effect on the immigration views of Congress. |
former9thward |
Sep-13-11 05:44 PM |
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No, it doesn't. It just puts money in the state coffers |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 05:46 PM |
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It doesn't "protect unlicensed drivers from arrest," ... |
dtexdem |
Sep-12-11 04:53 PM |
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yes it does. as i brought up in another post |
alp227 |
Sep-12-11 05:05 PM |
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They use these "DUI checkpoints" to shake down our |
hang a left |
Sep-12-11 05:46 PM |
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lesson learned: never profit off enforcing the law |
alp227 |
Sep-12-11 05:49 PM |
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This kind of stuff is so interesting and stems directly from the lack of a comprehensive policy |
RZM |
Sep-12-11 04:55 PM |
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Somebody from PA correct me here if I'm wrong... |
Demoiselle |
Sep-12-11 05:04 PM |
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You are not wrong. The complication is in Secure-ID states |
dmallind |
Sep-12-11 05:36 PM |
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So what's the purpose of these checkpoints again? |
hunter |
Sep-12-11 05:33 PM |
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Shouldn't it be a 'fix-it' ticket.... |
Tikki |
Sep-12-11 05:34 PM |
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WTF? I am SO against this... |
SoapBox |
Sep-12-11 05:49 PM |
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Telll you what. |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 05:56 PM |
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well stated |
dana_b |
Sep-13-11 03:17 PM |
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Quotas? I thought that the 1965 immigration law dumped them |
alp227 |
Sep-13-11 05:40 PM |
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Having the police act as immigration agents is a bad, bad, idea. |
hunter |
Sep-12-11 06:33 PM |
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exactly! +1000 |
krabigirl |
Sep-13-11 12:33 AM |
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Lots of worms in that can.... |
Bennyboy |
Sep-12-11 06:15 PM |
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I was really happy when San Francisco stopped impounding cars in this way. |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 06:19 PM |
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Well, at least for the illegals, they shouldn't even be a wage earner as |
kelly1mm |
Sep-12-11 06:31 PM |
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If you are waiting for them all to lay down and die, you will be disappointed. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 06:32 PM |
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No, not lay down and die, just self deport. If we were as a country |
kelly1mm |
Sep-12-11 06:49 PM |
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Immigration is at a 60 year low. |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 07:00 PM |
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I agree that NAFTA was and is a load of crap. I also know that incoming |
kelly1mm |
Sep-12-11 07:11 PM |
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Not really. You suggest a fine that our government would never impose |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 07:15 PM |
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OK, you are right about the likelyhood of my plan being adopted and |
kelly1mm |
Sep-12-11 07:22 PM |
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"Illegal" is an adjective, not a noun. |
roody |
Sep-13-11 06:23 PM |
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Incorrect. It is both a noun and an adjective. Link to Merriam-Webster |
kelly1mm |
Sep-13-11 10:21 PM |
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This gives a green light to unsafe drivers |
bigworld |
Sep-12-11 06:24 PM |
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Like unsafe drivers ever waited for a green light. |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 06:29 PM |
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not at all |
MikeW |
Sep-12-11 06:51 PM |
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You know what I do with people who call me an idiot, Mike? |
EFerrari |
Sep-12-11 06:58 PM |
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hmmm |
MikeW |
Sep-12-11 08:48 PM |
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I don't know about you, but as a frequent message board poster on this site and others |
totodeinhere |
Sep-13-11 12:50 PM |
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Undocumented immigrants tend to be extremely safe drivers. |
roody |
Sep-14-11 02:04 PM |
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driving in the US isnt a right its a privilege |
MikeW |
Sep-12-11 06:55 PM |
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Driving drunk is about driving. |
hunter |
Sep-12-11 07:44 PM |
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not taking the test makes you just as hazardous |
MikeW |
Sep-12-11 08:46 PM |
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So let them take the test. |
hunter |
Sep-12-11 09:13 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Sep-12-11 09:00 PM |
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Um, yeah. |
hunter |
Sep-12-11 09:20 PM |
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"Illegal" is an adjective, not a noun. "Illegals" is not a word. |
roody |
Sep-13-11 06:26 PM |
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Incorrect. It is both a noun and an adjective. Link to Merriam-Webster |
kelly1mm |
Sep-13-11 10:24 PM |
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It may not be a right but it is a necessity of life for many.. |
Downwinder |
Sep-12-11 08:39 PM |
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good. DUI checkpoints are to catch drunk drivers, not for immigration checks or other things. |
krabigirl |
Sep-13-11 12:33 AM |
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This is so simple, it would be funny if it were not so pathetic ... |
Nihil |
Sep-13-11 06:48 AM |
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No, it's this simple... |
hunter |
Sep-13-11 10:01 AM |
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The only abuse in my suggestion was being commited by the person driving illegally. |
Nihil |
Sep-13-11 10:42 AM |
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It's not a "risk of abuse," it HAS been abused. |
hunter |
Sep-13-11 11:15 AM |
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if your driving without a license |
MikeW |
Sep-13-11 06:21 PM |
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So you're okay with random searches and seizures... |
hunter |
Sep-13-11 07:39 PM |
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nope but ... |
MikeW |
Sep-14-11 06:42 PM |
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Please tell me Gov. Brown has the good sense to veto this? |
Chan790 |
Sep-13-11 07:18 AM |
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Illegal aliens driving illegally... |
-..__... |
Sep-13-11 08:19 AM |
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Promise? |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 02:04 PM |
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Well.... maybe if I was offered a position working for the BP or ICE... |
-..__... |
Sep-13-11 03:48 PM |
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The Stasi is laying people off right now so I think you're pretty safe. n/t |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 03:52 PM |
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I never said it had to be a paying position. |
-..__... |
Sep-13-11 04:01 PM |
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You want to join their volunteer division? Cool. |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 04:52 PM |
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Nahhhh... |
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Sep-13-11 09:00 PM |
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I saw a short documentary on border militias that should have been made into a cartoon. |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 10:04 PM |
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All, some or a few? |
-..__... |
Sep-13-11 10:38 PM |
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I think it was on LINKTv although it could have been on Free Speech TV . |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 10:52 PM |
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I think it was this one: |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 10:59 PM |
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Thanks... |
-..__... |
Sep-13-11 11:19 PM |
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That's just the trailer. |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 11:20 PM |
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We won't miss you! |
roody |
Sep-13-11 06:29 PM |
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Likewise... |
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Sep-13-11 08:54 PM |
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You probably would not enjoy seeing millions of Mexican people. |
roody |
Sep-14-11 10:55 AM |
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I have no problem with protecting undocumented people. |
Unvanguard |
Sep-13-11 10:20 AM |
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There is a better solution. |
hunter |
Sep-13-11 07:54 PM |
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That makes a lot of sense. CA residents should be able to get licenses. |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 09:56 PM |
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Undocumented California residents absolutely need access to drivers' licenses. |
Unvanguard |
Sep-14-11 12:14 AM |
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I'm thinking that lazy, white, priviledged teens are going to enjoy this law, too - |
lynne |
Sep-13-11 06:06 PM |
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Exactly |
Mz Pip |
Sep-13-11 10:33 PM |
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If there is no offense but no license, there is no harm in it. |
EFerrari |
Sep-13-11 11:03 PM |
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Hope it passes. n/t |
AverageJoe90 |
Sep-14-11 12:41 AM |
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So why would anyone pay for a licence? |
Synicus Maximus |
Sep-14-11 07:45 PM |
#129 |
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