You are viewing an obsolete version of the DU website which is no longer supported by the Administrators. Visit The New DU.
Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login

Reply #31: "He is going to fight for us but he has asked us for evidence." [View All]

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-31-11 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #30
31. "He is going to fight for us but he has asked us for evidence."
Find me one instance where he contacted the fucking opposition. He didn't.

I go to someone I want to "gather information from."

I don't go to them and say "I need information that only improves you in my light, I want information pro and con about your situation. Are you willing, for instance, to stand down and completely retire? Are you willing, for instance, to allow open protest in any city that wants it?"

Instead the impression the bureaucrat got was that he was fighting for them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
  -Secret files: US officials aided Gaddafi al bupp  Aug-31-11 01:53 PM   #0 
  - Condi (R) and Quackdaffi (R)  SpiralHawk   Aug-31-11 01:54 PM   #1 
  - Well,  watajob   Aug-31-11 02:29 PM   #2 
  - The headline is somewhat misleading  al bupp   Aug-31-11 02:42 PM   #3 
     - Maybe Libya was going to legalize pot? n/t  Ian David   Aug-31-11 03:46 PM   #5 
     - I'm afraid you've lost me w/ this comment, sir  al bupp   Aug-31-11 04:02 PM   #7 
     - You're wondering how a progressive could support Stalinist policies?  boppers   Aug-31-11 11:00 PM   #45 
        - Point taken  al bupp   Aug-31-11 11:40 PM   #49 
        - Meaning of the current coinage varies.  boppers   Sep-01-11 01:17 AM   #59 
        - Al Jazeera jumped to false conclusions.  JDPriestly   Sep-01-11 12:00 AM   #52 
  - Dennis Kucinich was doing some back-door diplomatic dealing with Saif Al-Islam, Qaddafi's son.  Ikonoklast   Aug-31-11 02:47 PM   #4 
  - Oooo....  Muskypundit   Aug-31-11 03:51 PM   #6 
  - I read it. You're kidding, right?  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 07:40 PM   #12 
  - Better read Kucinich's response  JDPriestly   Sep-01-11 12:01 AM   #54 
  - The source claims to have found this in an office in Libya  JDPriestly   Aug-31-11 05:23 PM   #8 
  - The 'We don't know these guys' notion is pretty outdated  pinboy3niner   Aug-31-11 05:37 PM   #9 
  - What does that have to do with Kucinich allegedly gathering information, though?  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 07:42 PM   #13 
     - Kucinich help outlin what kind of information they needed, starting from the preconcieved notions...  joshcryer   Aug-31-11 09:28 PM   #27 
        - Huh? Where did I say anything about a truth commission?  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 10:02 PM   #35 
        - I assumed that's what you meant by "gathering information."  joshcryer   Aug-31-11 10:17 PM   #37 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-31-11 10:30 PM   #39 
              - Please drop the pedantry. You could replace "truth commission" with "truth seeking mission"...  joshcryer   Aug-31-11 11:07 PM   #47 
        - Here is the true story.  JDPriestly   Sep-01-11 12:02 AM   #55 
  - So, out of nowhere, Col Qaddafi's son makes stuff up about a congressman from Ohio.  Ikonoklast   Aug-31-11 06:53 PM   #10 
  - Either explanation is possible.  JDPriestly   Aug-31-11 10:44 PM   #41 
  - Those questions were asked by the administration and by the SFRC  karynnj   Aug-31-11 07:52 PM   #16 
     - Yes, but I would bet they did not pose them to a regime notorious for it boundless mendacity  al bupp   Aug-31-11 08:24 PM   #17 
     - Nothing says that he was relying solely on their answers for 100% of his information.  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 08:55 PM   #21 
     - Nothing says he was relying on anything else either  al bupp   Aug-31-11 09:42 PM   #29 
        - How would this story possibly tell you what Kucinich intended to do with the answers he got, if any?  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 09:59 PM   #34 
           - No, I did not mean to suggest that you ought provide anything, sir  al bupp   Sep-01-11 12:06 AM   #56 
     - I would hope that no diplomat would take any comment at face value without comparing it  karynnj   Sep-01-11 10:56 AM   #62 
     - I was responding to someone trying to justify DK saying the questions  karynnj   Sep-01-11 11:05 AM   #63 
     - No evidence of negotiation in the article, just a list of questions. Fact finding.  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 08:53 PM   #20 
        - I was abso;utely NOT implying there was - and was saying that fact finding  karynnj   Sep-01-11 10:50 AM   #61 
  - "Dennis Kucinich issued a statement to the Atlantic Wire stating:  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 07:39 PM   #11 
  - Nothing's unusual about gathering information, per se  al bupp   Aug-31-11 08:32 PM   #18 
  - See Reply 21. BTW, if you were trying to investigate Libyan rebels, you would NOT ask  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 09:05 PM   #22 
  - You would then have no problem with a Republican running his own diplomatic mission  Ikonoklast   Aug-31-11 08:33 PM   #19 
  - Spare me the mickey mouse posting games. And don't presume to tell me what I would do in  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 09:14 PM   #23 
  - No need to presume, your record is clear...  joshcryer   Aug-31-11 09:22 PM   #25 
  - Your reading comprehension issue, not my double standard.  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 09:33 PM   #28 
     - Not really. Both McCain and Kucinich were helping the regime.  joshcryer   Aug-31-11 09:52 PM   #33 
  - Fact: You completely ignored what I said.  Ikonoklast   Aug-31-11 09:50 PM   #32 
     - Not fact, but bs. Again, spare me the mickey mouse posting games.  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 10:15 PM   #36 
  - Here is where the idea of a lawsuit by Kucinich (and others)  JDPriestly   Aug-31-11 10:53 PM   #43 
  - Al Jazeera uncovered that Welch and Kucinich laid out the kind of propaganda evidence...  joshcryer   Aug-31-11 09:25 PM   #26 
  - Please don't change the subject you brought up just yet, Josh. First, tell me how Kucinich asking  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 09:43 PM   #30 
     - "He is going to fight for us but he has asked us for evidence."  joshcryer   Aug-31-11 09:46 PM   #31 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-31-11 10:21 PM   #38 
           - I did in fact respond to those posts, it's not my fault you're so easily dismissive.  joshcryer   Aug-31-11 11:05 PM   #46 
  - Kucinich seems to suggest that the Libyans got the questions  JDPriestly   Aug-31-11 10:48 PM   #42 
     - It won't. Kucinich is immune from criticism, as this thread shows.  joshcryer   Aug-31-11 11:11 PM   #48 
        - This might interest you.  JDPriestly   Aug-31-11 11:56 PM   #50 
  - I'm sure Gaddafi was happy to have someone in the U.S. government...  MilesColtrane   Aug-31-11 10:39 PM   #40 
  - No. He wasn't.  JDPriestly   Sep-01-11 12:01 AM   #53 
  - The real reason for the GOP opposition to the Lybia campaign is becoming clearer.  LetTimmySmoke   Aug-31-11 07:43 PM   #14 
  - OMG, I hope we don't find out Dennis also speaks on the floor of the House from time to time.  No Elephants   Aug-31-11 07:47 PM   #15 
  - This is goddamn apalling. Every Gaddafi talking point comes from this report.  joshcryer   Aug-31-11 09:15 PM   #24 
  - The report is not based on any discussion by Kucinich with anyone in Libya.  JDPriestly   Aug-31-11 11:59 PM   #51 
  - Senior Bush diplomat 'advised Gaddafi regime to the end'  Judi Lynn   Aug-31-11 10:58 PM   #44 
  - Thanks for posting this addendum, ma'am  al bupp   Sep-01-11 12:21 AM   #57 
  - From the article, some points that seem to have been missed:  tabatha   Sep-01-11 12:46 AM   #58 
     - Those details are also covered in the AJE video  Turborama   Sep-01-11 01:41 AM   #60 

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators

Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC