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166. thanks. i'll check it out.
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  -Chronic fatigue syndrome researchers face death threats from militants panzerfaust  Aug-21-11 08:12 AM   #0 
  - I suffered from CFS for many years.  theoldman   Aug-21-11 08:22 AM   #1 
  - Problem is that scientists have not found a way to measure the link between the mind and  JDPriestly   Aug-21-11 02:46 PM   #46 
     - Our air, food and water are so heavily laden with toxins that our bodies are  Lorien   Aug-21-11 11:59 PM   #79 
     - exactly. nt  DesertFlower   Aug-22-11 12:08 AM   #82 
     - What unscientific nonsense.  rayofreason   Aug-22-11 07:23 AM   #106 
     - Enlighten yourself:  Lorien   Aug-23-11 12:00 AM   #133 
        - Get real and see my other response  rayofreason   Aug-23-11 09:42 AM   #147 
     - Exactly.  DeSwiss   Aug-22-11 07:58 PM   #126 
     - the violence is prob. from family members who have had relatives killed/maimed  pitohui   Aug-22-11 02:05 PM   #120 
        - Being angry does not make vile invective  Pamela Troy   Aug-23-11 10:20 AM   #148 
  - Immune system out of whack that's what I've heard. n/t  HysteryDiagnosis   Aug-21-11 08:27 AM   #2 
  - adrenal system  Locrian   Aug-21-11 09:01 AM   #9 
  - Which begs the question, how to restore? I know there are ways but are they "acceptable" in  HysteryDiagnosis   Aug-21-11 10:14 AM   #15 
     - they are scared to death of people taking hydrocortisone.  Manifestor_of_Light   Aug-21-11 10:37 AM   #21 
        - thank you for your post. I hope things get better.  The Backlash Cometh   Aug-21-11 10:57 AM   #22 
        - My daughter took cortisone for about 2 years when she was a baby  jwirr   Aug-21-11 10:58 AM   #23 
        - Perhaps this will be of value, perhaps not I hope it will.  HysteryDiagnosis   Aug-21-11 11:13 AM   #28 
           - Thank you.  jwirr   Aug-21-11 11:32 AM   #30 
        - Stress is a killer....and it  femrap   Aug-21-11 11:06 AM   #25 
        - I'm right there with you.  anamandujano   Aug-21-11 12:43 PM   #36 
           - Same here regarding...  femrap   Aug-21-11 02:20 PM   #45 
        - Oh my.... I will keep you in my prayers if that's alright... and from your link, amen.  HysteryDiagnosis   Aug-21-11 11:18 AM   #29 
        - I'm so sorry to hear your story.  JDPriestly   Aug-21-11 02:52 PM   #47 
        - JESUS.  MADem   Aug-21-11 10:27 PM   #73 
  - Is that a bridge rectifier?  zeemike   Aug-21-11 01:56 PM   #42 
  - Sure is, ain't it cool?? n/t  HysteryDiagnosis   Aug-21-11 04:15 PM   #49 
  - that's what i've been told.  DesertFlower   Aug-22-11 12:09 AM   #83 
  - Mind and body are one and the same.  McCamy Taylor   Aug-21-11 08:28 AM   #3 
  - Agree. However, IMO, what we think of as the physical causes problems that we think of as mental or  No Elephants   Aug-21-11 09:39 AM   #10 
     - The woman had migraine headaches. Her story is a classic. My own migraines  McCamy Taylor   Aug-23-11 11:29 AM   #153 
  - I don't advocate violence against anyone. It is deplorable. But we should understand  LiberalLoner   Aug-21-11 08:32 AM   #4 
  - Thanks for the insight, LL  SpiralHawk   Aug-21-11 08:45 AM   #5 
  - Lyme  colbertforpresident   Aug-21-11 08:48 AM   #6 
  - i've been tested for lyme, also been tested  DesertFlower   Aug-22-11 12:12 AM   #85 
  - Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.  emcguffie   Aug-22-11 07:48 AM   #111 
     - Why?  RobinA   Aug-22-11 07:54 PM   #125 
        - This isn't the natural background radiation.  emcguffie   Aug-23-11 01:11 PM   #157 
           - Why Would The Government  RobinA   Aug-23-11 09:51 PM   #163 
  - A blood test will show that you have the disease.  theoldman   Aug-21-11 08:53 AM   #7 
  - What blood test will show what disease?  Hissyspit   Aug-21-11 10:04 AM   #13 
  - Docs don't say "eat healthy even if..  Schema Thing   Aug-21-11 08:58 AM   #8 
     - Problem is, if you attribute an illness to depression, you stop looking for other causes.  No Elephants   Aug-21-11 09:41 AM   #12 
        - Some people might. Serious scientist would and will keep looking. "depression"  Schema Thing   Aug-21-11 10:30 AM   #20 
           - they said in the early 80s that aids was merely "gay guilt", I guess they should've been  StarsInHerHair   Aug-21-11 08:17 PM   #64 
           - "IF" being the key word.  No Elephants   Aug-22-11 03:06 AM   #96 
  - Yes. No excuse for threats of violence here. But the medical community often reacts antagonistically  DirkGently   Aug-21-11 10:19 AM   #17 
  - Very interesting. I am sorry you experienced that. nt  ZombieHorde   Aug-21-11 10:19 AM   #18 
  - Of course  femrap   Aug-21-11 11:13 AM   #27 
  - I had a hysterectomy 9 weeks ago, so that pretty much fixed the endo for me - took the ovaries  LiberalLoner   Aug-21-11 06:39 PM   #54 
  - When one of my brothers was in grade school, he started having  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-21-11 01:42 PM   #39 
  - Jesus. That is exactly the kind hostile reaction to a doctor's own ignorance that drives people mad.  DirkGently   Aug-22-11 09:26 AM   #117 
  - Oh, I hear that  MorningGlow   Aug-21-11 08:04 PM   #62 
  - Doctors hate women. I am convinced of it. Very misogynistic profession. n/t  LiberalLoner   Aug-22-11 07:43 AM   #110 
  - Unfortunately I agree  MorningGlow   Aug-22-11 08:54 AM   #116 
  - well, they're not, so think of another hypothesis. you don't think docs treat male  indurancevile   Aug-23-11 12:41 AM   #141 
     - Actually studies have shown that doctors (both male and female) ignore  LiberalLoner   Aug-23-11 11:06 AM   #152 
  - the doctor in that story WAS a woman. it's not about hating women. it's  indurancevile   Aug-23-11 12:39 AM   #140 
  - I agree. At the very least, they don't take them seriously. nt  raccoon   Aug-29-11 02:31 PM   #172 
  - the doc was a "she" as well. so i think it's not about women, but power in general.  indurancevile   Aug-23-11 12:37 AM   #139 
  - Same exact thing going on with Lyme disease.  Crunchy Frog   Aug-22-11 10:13 PM   #129 
  - Do you also understand the reaction of people  Pamela Troy   Aug-23-11 10:21 AM   #149 
  - From what I understand, it is a cousin of fibromyalgia -- and they've finally acknowledged that.  MADem   Aug-21-11 09:41 AM   #11 
  - another made up disease...  naaman fletcher   Aug-21-11 01:49 PM   #41 
     - *Golf clap*  Hydra   Aug-21-11 02:01 PM   #43 
     - 'spinal meningitis and was coughing up blood by the bucketful'  King_David   Aug-21-11 10:18 PM   #69 
        - House might...after 52 minutes. n/t  rayofreason   Aug-22-11 07:26 AM   #107 
     - Totally incorrect  MorningGlow   Aug-21-11 07:59 PM   #61 
     - I've dated a bunch of women with these  naaman fletcher   Aug-21-11 08:10 PM   #63 
     - You lack both empathy and intelligence. Try GOOGLE, you will be shocked. nt  MADem   Aug-21-11 10:22 PM   #71 
     - Tell me I'm lazy and crazy.  Hissyspit   Aug-22-11 12:42 AM   #93 
     - have i dated you? nt  naaman fletcher   Aug-22-11 06:09 AM   #100 
        - So the basis of your diagnosis is dating?  Hissyspit   Aug-22-11 06:12 AM   #102 
           - The basis of my diagnosis  naaman fletcher   Aug-22-11 06:22 AM   #103 
              - That's not much of a basis.  Hissyspit   Aug-22-11 06:28 AM   #104 
                 - you mean..  naaman fletcher   Aug-22-11 06:34 AM   #105 
     - LOL!  No Elephants   Aug-22-11 03:08 AM   #97 
     - Hi, REPUBLICAN!  Mimosa   Aug-22-11 03:22 AM   #99 
     - oh yes.. you are on to me..  naaman fletcher   Aug-22-11 06:10 AM   #101 
     - If that's the kind of women you've been consistently dating  Crunchy Frog   Aug-22-11 10:43 PM   #130 
     - "until they got so bad she needed treatment"... that's something to consider.  boppers   Aug-21-11 10:28 PM   #74 
     - "I have never, ever, met someone with a healthy job and family life...  MorningGlow   Aug-21-11 09:51 PM   #67 
     - We know what we are dealing with, here.  MADem   Aug-21-11 10:24 PM   #72 
     - True nuff  MorningGlow   Aug-21-11 10:33 PM   #75 
     - Just another lazy ass knuckle dragging mouth breathing misogynist who projects his  Lorien   Aug-22-11 12:07 AM   #81 
     - well said. nt  DesertFlower   Aug-22-11 12:20 AM   #88 
     - Wow, aren't YOU ..... uninformed. NIH and other federal agencies beg to differ.  MADem   Aug-21-11 10:18 PM   #70 
     - I hope he does, actually, then perhaps he may no longer be such a prick  StarsInHerHair   Aug-23-11 06:32 PM   #159 
     - and the earth is flat too, right? Climate change doesn't exist in your world I'm sure  Lorien   Aug-22-11 12:01 AM   #80 
     - you're wrong. i had a great job  DesertFlower   Aug-22-11 12:19 AM   #87 
     - Adrenal burn-out often is triggered by pneumonia...  InvisibleTouch   Aug-23-11 09:16 PM   #162 
        - thanks. i'll check it out.  DesertFlower   Aug-24-11 12:01 AM   #166 
     - You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. I would alert on your comment, but I want  Hissyspit   Aug-22-11 12:41 AM   #92 
     - did you read about New Zealand green mussels? Supposed to be anti-inflamation  StarsInHerHair   Aug-23-11 06:35 PM   #160 
     - You could not be more uninformed.  emcguffie   Aug-23-11 02:18 PM   #158 
        - it's kind of like how they reacted to those with MS a century ago, they'd beat  StarsInHerHair   Aug-23-11 06:37 PM   #161 
  - What psychological components would those be?  Hissyspit   Aug-21-11 10:10 AM   #14 
  - Yep. The growth rate of the illness corresponds with the amount of "allowable"  Lorien   Aug-22-11 12:10 AM   #84 
     - Exactly to which toxins..  rayofreason   Aug-22-11 07:41 AM   #108 
        - don't confuse them with facts...  naaman fletcher   Aug-22-11 08:24 AM   #115 
        - I Keep Making  RobinA   Aug-22-11 08:07 PM   #127 
        - These, oh poorly informed one:  Lorien   Aug-23-11 12:02 AM   #134 
           - Newspaper articles? Anecdotes? Seriously????  rayofreason   Aug-23-11 09:38 AM   #146 
              - I Thought This  RobinA   Aug-23-11 09:55 PM   #164 
                 - Yes, pretty damn funny.  rayofreason   Aug-23-11 10:31 PM   #165 
  - How long has CFS been documented as an illness and has anyone been following a curve?  Rozlee   Aug-21-11 10:15 AM   #16 
  - I remember adrenal studies at NIH in the nineties.  MADem   Aug-21-11 10:55 PM   #77 
  - A friend's commander in Iraq was just put on disability due to his CFS and fibromyalgia  Lorien   Aug-22-11 12:13 AM   #86 
  - gulf war syndrome and CFS are very similar.  DesertFlower   Aug-22-11 12:24 AM   #89 
  - "as dangerous and uncompromising as animal rights extremists"  ZombieHorde   Aug-21-11 10:21 AM   #19 
  - Mostly they destroy property.  alarimer   Aug-21-11 05:15 PM   #50 
     - Doesn't get much more dogmatic than that  LanternWaste   Aug-22-11 10:04 AM   #118 
  - doctors too often label something they don't understand as  demigoddess   Aug-21-11 11:03 AM   #24 
  - Sometimes Doctors really seem clueless when it comes to diagnosing an illness.  Altoid_Cyclist   Aug-21-11 11:11 AM   #26 
  - my mom had almost an identical story --  elehhhhna   Aug-21-11 11:51 AM   #31 
     - That is one very nasty condition to have.  Altoid_Cyclist   Aug-23-11 06:45 AM   #145 
  - my son had CFS  flyingfysh   Aug-21-11 11:55 AM   #32 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-21-11 11:55 AM   #33 
  - Many of the responses to this post  drmeow   Aug-21-11 12:05 PM   #34 
  - THANK-YOU! I am not a scientist or a doctor but...  SkyDaddy7   Aug-21-11 01:25 PM   #37 
  - Look at response #40  Hydra   Aug-21-11 02:16 PM   #44 
  - How many of these scientists ARE in fact in the pay of drug and insurance companies.  Crunchy Frog   Aug-22-11 11:08 PM   #131 
     - usually unless it is a clinical trial  drmeow   Aug-23-11 12:08 AM   #135 
        - From what I understand, alot of the NIH funded research  Crunchy Frog   Aug-23-11 12:19 AM   #138 
           - I said psychological health research  drmeow   Aug-24-11 01:33 AM   #167 
  - Many doctors are not even trained in scientific methods.  alarimer   Aug-21-11 05:18 PM   #51 
  - Great post drmeow.  boppers   Aug-21-11 10:13 PM   #68 
  - Nice point  drmeow   Aug-23-11 12:11 AM   #136 
  - nicely said. n/t  rayofreason   Aug-22-11 07:42 AM   #109 
  - I went through over 30 years and probably as many doctors  zalinda   Aug-21-11 12:19 PM   #35 
  - where did you live when this "bloom" occurred?  pitohui   Aug-22-11 02:12 PM   #122 
     - I lived in California, in Ventura  zalinda   Aug-22-11 04:20 PM   #124 
     - Just FWI, Lyme is caused by a bacteria, not a virus.  Crunchy Frog   Aug-22-11 11:19 PM   #132 
  - i've been suffering with CFS/ME for 22 years.  DesertFlower   Aug-21-11 01:36 PM   #38 
  - you might want to try a real doctor. nt.  naaman fletcher   Aug-21-11 07:51 PM   #60 
     - i have a "real" doctor who specializes in  DesertFlower   Aug-21-11 08:33 PM   #66 
  - By and large, its simply "being crazy and depressed". nt.  naaman fletcher   Aug-21-11 01:47 PM   #40 
  - Just logging in to put you on "Ignore"  StandingInLeftField   Aug-21-11 05:48 PM   #52 
  - I'll bet you didn't put me on ignore. nt  naaman fletcher   Aug-21-11 05:55 PM   #53 
  - well said. nt  DesertFlower   Aug-22-11 12:29 AM   #91 
  - Either will do.  Hissyspit   Aug-22-11 01:05 AM   #95 
  - This almost makes me wish  drmeow   Aug-23-11 12:15 AM   #137 
  - wrong button  Sentath   Aug-24-11 12:37 PM   #170 
  - depressed people don't go from doctor to doctor  DesertFlower   Aug-22-11 12:29 AM   #90 
     - i think that must be the case, as he is so attracted to & attractive to "crazy & depressed" women.  indurancevile   Aug-23-11 12:54 AM   #143 
  - WOW! So many e'experts' without medical degrees  cayanne   Aug-21-11 03:03 PM   #48 
  - I have always wondered if CFS is a side effect of chronic stress.  Odin2005   Aug-21-11 06:55 PM   #55 
  - Cortisol is a miracle drug we produce  Hydra   Aug-21-11 07:02 PM   #56 
  - Yup, chronic stress is an artifact of our society and is not natural.  Odin2005   Aug-21-11 07:09 PM   #57 
     - Our society models us after machines  Hydra   Aug-21-11 07:15 PM   #59 
        - Bingo, it's the big reasin I took up meditation, to shed the stress.  Odin2005   Aug-23-11 12:04 PM   #156 
  - then you would have to explain why people not suffering "chronic stress" get it  pitohui   Aug-22-11 02:19 PM   #123 
     - Most people in out modern society have at least some chronic stress.  Odin2005   Aug-23-11 12:03 PM   #155 
  - Crazy people making crazy threats?  AngkorWot   Aug-21-11 07:14 PM   #58 
  - I have CFS. I don't make crazy threats and I am not crazy.  Hissyspit   Aug-22-11 12:48 AM   #94 
     - Hi there, Hissyspit.  emcguffie   Aug-22-11 07:54 AM   #112 
  - For years  hyphenate   Aug-21-11 08:33 PM   #65 
  - In 1994 Abbott Northwestern Hospital decreed that one course  kickysnana   Aug-21-11 10:55 PM   #76 
  - Disclaimer: Some but not all diagnosed CFS is Lyme Disease.n/t  kickysnana   Aug-21-11 10:57 PM   #78 
  - Oh, my god, what a story.  emcguffie   Aug-22-11 07:58 AM   #113 
  - BS big time. CFS is probably related to chemical exposure  Mimosa   Aug-22-11 03:20 AM   #98 
  - It could be pond scum.  emcguffie   Aug-22-11 08:00 AM   #114 
  - avid gardeners may have also had untreated lyme disease  pitohui   Aug-22-11 02:07 PM   #121 
     - If you can find a doctor willing to prescribe it  Crunchy Frog   Aug-23-11 12:49 AM   #142 
  - they destroy lives, they literally kill victims, when they dx serious illness as stress  pitohui   Aug-22-11 02:00 PM   #119 
  - Deadly illness is not caused by stress?  Pamela Troy   Aug-23-11 10:24 AM   #150 
  - Osler's Web  EmeraldCityGrl   Aug-22-11 08:57 PM   #128 
  - i don't believe there is any significant number of "militants" threatening docs over this.  indurancevile   Aug-23-11 12:55 AM   #144 
  - Given the tenor of some of the posts here...  Pamela Troy   Aug-23-11 10:25 AM   #151 
  - If you have CFS, be sure to get tested for sleep apnea and other sleep disorders.  McCamy Taylor   Aug-23-11 11:33 AM   #154 
  - Spleen Apnoea and ME easily distinguished  spooniebill   Aug-24-11 07:43 AM   #169 
  - Response to the Observer article  spooniebill   Aug-24-11 07:40 AM   #168 
  - "We're not crazy, and if say that we are, we'll prove that you are right!"  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-24-11 01:18 PM   #171 
     - Unless the article is mostly a bunch of shit.  Hissyspit   Aug-29-11 04:54 PM   #173 
 

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