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| Chronic fatigue syndrome researchers face death threats from militants |
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Source: Guardian (UK)The full extent of the campaign of intimidation, attacks and death threats made against scientists by activists who claim researchers are suppressing the real cause of chronic fatigue syndrome is revealed today by the Observer. According to the police, the militants are now considered to be as dangerous and uncompromising as animal rights extremists. One researcher told the Observer that a woman protester who had turned up at one of his lectures was found to be carrying a knife. Another scientist had to abandon a collaboration with American doctors after being told she risked being shot, while another was punched in the street. All said they had received death threats and vitriolic abuse... ..."Using threats and intimidation to prevent scientists pursuing specific avenues of research or speaking out is damaging not just science. It harms society," ... Read more: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/aug/21/chronic-f...
Apparently any published suggestion that CFS may have any psychological component is what sets off the threats. Truly, we are rapidly returning to the pre-Enlightenment age.
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| -Chronic fatigue syndrome researchers face death threats from militants |
panzerfaust |
Aug-21-11 08:12 AM |
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I suffered from CFS for many years. |
theoldman |
Aug-21-11 08:22 AM |
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Problem is that scientists have not found a way to measure the link between the mind and |
JDPriestly |
Aug-21-11 02:46 PM |
#46 |
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Our air, food and water are so heavily laden with toxins that our bodies are |
Lorien |
Aug-21-11 11:59 PM |
#79 |
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exactly. nt |
DesertFlower |
Aug-22-11 12:08 AM |
#82 |
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What unscientific nonsense. |
rayofreason |
Aug-22-11 07:23 AM |
#106 |
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Enlighten yourself: |
Lorien |
Aug-23-11 12:00 AM |
#133 |
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Get real and see my other response |
rayofreason |
Aug-23-11 09:42 AM |
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Exactly. |
DeSwiss |
Aug-22-11 07:58 PM |
#126 |
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the violence is prob. from family members who have had relatives killed/maimed |
pitohui |
Aug-22-11 02:05 PM |
#120 |
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Being angry does not make vile invective |
Pamela Troy |
Aug-23-11 10:20 AM |
#148 |
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Immune system out of whack that's what I've heard. n/t |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Aug-21-11 08:27 AM |
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adrenal system |
Locrian |
Aug-21-11 09:01 AM |
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Which begs the question, how to restore? I know there are ways but are they "acceptable" in |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Aug-21-11 10:14 AM |
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they are scared to death of people taking hydrocortisone. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Aug-21-11 10:37 AM |
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thank you for your post. I hope things get better. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Aug-21-11 10:57 AM |
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My daughter took cortisone for about 2 years when she was a baby |
jwirr |
Aug-21-11 10:58 AM |
#23 |
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Perhaps this will be of value, perhaps not I hope it will. |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Aug-21-11 11:13 AM |
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Thank you. |
jwirr |
Aug-21-11 11:32 AM |
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Stress is a killer....and it |
femrap |
Aug-21-11 11:06 AM |
#25 |
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I'm right there with you. |
anamandujano |
Aug-21-11 12:43 PM |
#36 |
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Same here regarding... |
femrap |
Aug-21-11 02:20 PM |
#45 |
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Oh my.... I will keep you in my prayers if that's alright... and from your link, amen. |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Aug-21-11 11:18 AM |
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I'm so sorry to hear your story. |
JDPriestly |
Aug-21-11 02:52 PM |
#47 |
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JESUS. |
MADem |
Aug-21-11 10:27 PM |
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Is that a bridge rectifier? |
zeemike |
Aug-21-11 01:56 PM |
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Sure is, ain't it cool?? n/t |
HysteryDiagnosis |
Aug-21-11 04:15 PM |
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that's what i've been told. |
DesertFlower |
Aug-22-11 12:09 AM |
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Mind and body are one and the same. |
McCamy Taylor |
Aug-21-11 08:28 AM |
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Agree. However, IMO, what we think of as the physical causes problems that we think of as mental or |
No Elephants |
Aug-21-11 09:39 AM |
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The woman had migraine headaches. Her story is a classic. My own migraines |
McCamy Taylor |
Aug-23-11 11:29 AM |
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I don't advocate violence against anyone. It is deplorable. But we should understand |
LiberalLoner |
Aug-21-11 08:32 AM |
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Thanks for the insight, LL |
SpiralHawk |
Aug-21-11 08:45 AM |
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Lyme |
colbertforpresident |
Aug-21-11 08:48 AM |
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i've been tested for lyme, also been tested |
DesertFlower |
Aug-22-11 12:12 AM |
#85 |
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Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. |
emcguffie |
Aug-22-11 07:48 AM |
#111 |
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Why? |
RobinA |
Aug-22-11 07:54 PM |
#125 |
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This isn't the natural background radiation. |
emcguffie |
Aug-23-11 01:11 PM |
#157 |
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Why Would The Government |
RobinA |
Aug-23-11 09:51 PM |
#163 |
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A blood test will show that you have the disease. |
theoldman |
Aug-21-11 08:53 AM |
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What blood test will show what disease? |
Hissyspit |
Aug-21-11 10:04 AM |
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Docs don't say "eat healthy even if.. |
Schema Thing |
Aug-21-11 08:58 AM |
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Problem is, if you attribute an illness to depression, you stop looking for other causes. |
No Elephants |
Aug-21-11 09:41 AM |
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Some people might. Serious scientist would and will keep looking. "depression" |
Schema Thing |
Aug-21-11 10:30 AM |
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they said in the early 80s that aids was merely "gay guilt", I guess they should've been |
StarsInHerHair |
Aug-21-11 08:17 PM |
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"IF" being the key word. |
No Elephants |
Aug-22-11 03:06 AM |
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Yes. No excuse for threats of violence here. But the medical community often reacts antagonistically |
DirkGently |
Aug-21-11 10:19 AM |
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Very interesting. I am sorry you experienced that. nt |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-21-11 10:19 AM |
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Of course |
femrap |
Aug-21-11 11:13 AM |
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I had a hysterectomy 9 weeks ago, so that pretty much fixed the endo for me - took the ovaries |
LiberalLoner |
Aug-21-11 06:39 PM |
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When one of my brothers was in grade school, he started having |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Aug-21-11 01:42 PM |
#39 |
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Jesus. That is exactly the kind hostile reaction to a doctor's own ignorance that drives people mad. |
DirkGently |
Aug-22-11 09:26 AM |
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Oh, I hear that |
MorningGlow |
Aug-21-11 08:04 PM |
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Doctors hate women. I am convinced of it. Very misogynistic profession. n/t |
LiberalLoner |
Aug-22-11 07:43 AM |
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Unfortunately I agree |
MorningGlow |
Aug-22-11 08:54 AM |
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well, they're not, so think of another hypothesis. you don't think docs treat male |
indurancevile |
Aug-23-11 12:41 AM |
#141 |
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Actually studies have shown that doctors (both male and female) ignore |
LiberalLoner |
Aug-23-11 11:06 AM |
#152 |
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the doctor in that story WAS a woman. it's not about hating women. it's |
indurancevile |
Aug-23-11 12:39 AM |
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I agree. At the very least, they don't take them seriously. nt |
raccoon |
Aug-29-11 02:31 PM |
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the doc was a "she" as well. so i think it's not about women, but power in general. |
indurancevile |
Aug-23-11 12:37 AM |
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Same exact thing going on with Lyme disease. |
Crunchy Frog |
Aug-22-11 10:13 PM |
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Do you also understand the reaction of people |
Pamela Troy |
Aug-23-11 10:21 AM |
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From what I understand, it is a cousin of fibromyalgia -- and they've finally acknowledged that. |
MADem |
Aug-21-11 09:41 AM |
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another made up disease... |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-21-11 01:49 PM |
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*Golf clap* |
Hydra |
Aug-21-11 02:01 PM |
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'spinal meningitis and was coughing up blood by the bucketful' |
King_David |
Aug-21-11 10:18 PM |
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House might...after 52 minutes. n/t |
rayofreason |
Aug-22-11 07:26 AM |
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Totally incorrect |
MorningGlow |
Aug-21-11 07:59 PM |
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I've dated a bunch of women with these |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-21-11 08:10 PM |
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You lack both empathy and intelligence. Try GOOGLE, you will be shocked. nt |
MADem |
Aug-21-11 10:22 PM |
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Tell me I'm lazy and crazy. |
Hissyspit |
Aug-22-11 12:42 AM |
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have i dated you? nt |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-22-11 06:09 AM |
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So the basis of your diagnosis is dating? |
Hissyspit |
Aug-22-11 06:12 AM |
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The basis of my diagnosis |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-22-11 06:22 AM |
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That's not much of a basis. |
Hissyspit |
Aug-22-11 06:28 AM |
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you mean.. |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-22-11 06:34 AM |
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LOL! |
No Elephants |
Aug-22-11 03:08 AM |
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Hi, REPUBLICAN! |
Mimosa |
Aug-22-11 03:22 AM |
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oh yes.. you are on to me.. |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-22-11 06:10 AM |
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If that's the kind of women you've been consistently dating |
Crunchy Frog |
Aug-22-11 10:43 PM |
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"until they got so bad she needed treatment"... that's something to consider. |
boppers |
Aug-21-11 10:28 PM |
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"I have never, ever, met someone with a healthy job and family life... |
MorningGlow |
Aug-21-11 09:51 PM |
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We know what we are dealing with, here. |
MADem |
Aug-21-11 10:24 PM |
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True nuff |
MorningGlow |
Aug-21-11 10:33 PM |
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Just another lazy ass knuckle dragging mouth breathing misogynist who projects his |
Lorien |
Aug-22-11 12:07 AM |
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well said. nt |
DesertFlower |
Aug-22-11 12:20 AM |
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Wow, aren't YOU ..... uninformed. NIH and other federal agencies beg to differ. |
MADem |
Aug-21-11 10:18 PM |
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I hope he does, actually, then perhaps he may no longer be such a prick |
StarsInHerHair |
Aug-23-11 06:32 PM |
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and the earth is flat too, right? Climate change doesn't exist in your world I'm sure |
Lorien |
Aug-22-11 12:01 AM |
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you're wrong. i had a great job |
DesertFlower |
Aug-22-11 12:19 AM |
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Adrenal burn-out often is triggered by pneumonia... |
InvisibleTouch |
Aug-23-11 09:16 PM |
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thanks. i'll check it out. |
DesertFlower |
Aug-24-11 12:01 AM |
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You have NO IDEA what you are talking about. I would alert on your comment, but I want |
Hissyspit |
Aug-22-11 12:41 AM |
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did you read about New Zealand green mussels? Supposed to be anti-inflamation |
StarsInHerHair |
Aug-23-11 06:35 PM |
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You could not be more uninformed. |
emcguffie |
Aug-23-11 02:18 PM |
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it's kind of like how they reacted to those with MS a century ago, they'd beat |
StarsInHerHair |
Aug-23-11 06:37 PM |
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What psychological components would those be? |
Hissyspit |
Aug-21-11 10:10 AM |
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Yep. The growth rate of the illness corresponds with the amount of "allowable" |
Lorien |
Aug-22-11 12:10 AM |
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Exactly to which toxins.. |
rayofreason |
Aug-22-11 07:41 AM |
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don't confuse them with facts... |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-22-11 08:24 AM |
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I Keep Making |
RobinA |
Aug-22-11 08:07 PM |
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These, oh poorly informed one: |
Lorien |
Aug-23-11 12:02 AM |
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Newspaper articles? Anecdotes? Seriously???? |
rayofreason |
Aug-23-11 09:38 AM |
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I Thought This |
RobinA |
Aug-23-11 09:55 PM |
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Yes, pretty damn funny. |
rayofreason |
Aug-23-11 10:31 PM |
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How long has CFS been documented as an illness and has anyone been following a curve? |
Rozlee |
Aug-21-11 10:15 AM |
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I remember adrenal studies at NIH in the nineties. |
MADem |
Aug-21-11 10:55 PM |
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A friend's commander in Iraq was just put on disability due to his CFS and fibromyalgia |
Lorien |
Aug-22-11 12:13 AM |
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gulf war syndrome and CFS are very similar. |
DesertFlower |
Aug-22-11 12:24 AM |
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"as dangerous and uncompromising as animal rights extremists" |
ZombieHorde |
Aug-21-11 10:21 AM |
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Mostly they destroy property. |
alarimer |
Aug-21-11 05:15 PM |
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Doesn't get much more dogmatic than that |
LanternWaste |
Aug-22-11 10:04 AM |
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doctors too often label something they don't understand as |
demigoddess |
Aug-21-11 11:03 AM |
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Sometimes Doctors really seem clueless when it comes to diagnosing an illness. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Aug-21-11 11:11 AM |
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my mom had almost an identical story -- |
elehhhhna |
Aug-21-11 11:51 AM |
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That is one very nasty condition to have. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Aug-23-11 06:45 AM |
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my son had CFS |
flyingfysh |
Aug-21-11 11:55 AM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-21-11 11:55 AM |
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Many of the responses to this post |
drmeow |
Aug-21-11 12:05 PM |
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THANK-YOU! I am not a scientist or a doctor but... |
SkyDaddy7 |
Aug-21-11 01:25 PM |
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Look at response #40 |
Hydra |
Aug-21-11 02:16 PM |
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How many of these scientists ARE in fact in the pay of drug and insurance companies. |
Crunchy Frog |
Aug-22-11 11:08 PM |
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usually unless it is a clinical trial |
drmeow |
Aug-23-11 12:08 AM |
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From what I understand, alot of the NIH funded research |
Crunchy Frog |
Aug-23-11 12:19 AM |
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I said psychological health research |
drmeow |
Aug-24-11 01:33 AM |
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Many doctors are not even trained in scientific methods. |
alarimer |
Aug-21-11 05:18 PM |
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Great post drmeow. |
boppers |
Aug-21-11 10:13 PM |
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Nice point |
drmeow |
Aug-23-11 12:11 AM |
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nicely said. n/t |
rayofreason |
Aug-22-11 07:42 AM |
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I went through over 30 years and probably as many doctors |
zalinda |
Aug-21-11 12:19 PM |
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where did you live when this "bloom" occurred? |
pitohui |
Aug-22-11 02:12 PM |
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I lived in California, in Ventura |
zalinda |
Aug-22-11 04:20 PM |
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Just FWI, Lyme is caused by a bacteria, not a virus. |
Crunchy Frog |
Aug-22-11 11:19 PM |
#132 |
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i've been suffering with CFS/ME for 22 years. |
DesertFlower |
Aug-21-11 01:36 PM |
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you might want to try a real doctor. nt. |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-21-11 07:51 PM |
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i have a "real" doctor who specializes in |
DesertFlower |
Aug-21-11 08:33 PM |
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By and large, its simply "being crazy and depressed". nt. |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-21-11 01:47 PM |
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Just logging in to put you on "Ignore" |
StandingInLeftField |
Aug-21-11 05:48 PM |
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I'll bet you didn't put me on ignore. nt |
naaman fletcher |
Aug-21-11 05:55 PM |
#53 |
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well said. nt |
DesertFlower |
Aug-22-11 12:29 AM |
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Either will do. |
Hissyspit |
Aug-22-11 01:05 AM |
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This almost makes me wish |
drmeow |
Aug-23-11 12:15 AM |
#137 |
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wrong button |
Sentath |
Aug-24-11 12:37 PM |
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depressed people don't go from doctor to doctor |
DesertFlower |
Aug-22-11 12:29 AM |
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i think that must be the case, as he is so attracted to & attractive to "crazy & depressed" women. |
indurancevile |
Aug-23-11 12:54 AM |
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WOW! So many e'experts' without medical degrees |
cayanne |
Aug-21-11 03:03 PM |
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I have always wondered if CFS is a side effect of chronic stress. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-21-11 06:55 PM |
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Cortisol is a miracle drug we produce |
Hydra |
Aug-21-11 07:02 PM |
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Yup, chronic stress is an artifact of our society and is not natural. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-21-11 07:09 PM |
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Our society models us after machines |
Hydra |
Aug-21-11 07:15 PM |
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Bingo, it's the big reasin I took up meditation, to shed the stress. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-23-11 12:04 PM |
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then you would have to explain why people not suffering "chronic stress" get it |
pitohui |
Aug-22-11 02:19 PM |
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Most people in out modern society have at least some chronic stress. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-23-11 12:03 PM |
#155 |
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Crazy people making crazy threats? |
AngkorWot |
Aug-21-11 07:14 PM |
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I have CFS. I don't make crazy threats and I am not crazy. |
Hissyspit |
Aug-22-11 12:48 AM |
#94 |
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Hi there, Hissyspit. |
emcguffie |
Aug-22-11 07:54 AM |
#112 |
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For years |
hyphenate |
Aug-21-11 08:33 PM |
#65 |
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In 1994 Abbott Northwestern Hospital decreed that one course |
kickysnana |
Aug-21-11 10:55 PM |
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Disclaimer: Some but not all diagnosed CFS is Lyme Disease.n/t |
kickysnana |
Aug-21-11 10:57 PM |
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Oh, my god, what a story. |
emcguffie |
Aug-22-11 07:58 AM |
#113 |
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BS big time. CFS is probably related to chemical exposure |
Mimosa |
Aug-22-11 03:20 AM |
#98 |
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It could be pond scum. |
emcguffie |
Aug-22-11 08:00 AM |
#114 |
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avid gardeners may have also had untreated lyme disease |
pitohui |
Aug-22-11 02:07 PM |
#121 |
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If you can find a doctor willing to prescribe it |
Crunchy Frog |
Aug-23-11 12:49 AM |
#142 |
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they destroy lives, they literally kill victims, when they dx serious illness as stress |
pitohui |
Aug-22-11 02:00 PM |
#119 |
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Deadly illness is not caused by stress? |
Pamela Troy |
Aug-23-11 10:24 AM |
#150 |
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Osler's Web |
EmeraldCityGrl |
Aug-22-11 08:57 PM |
#128 |
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i don't believe there is any significant number of "militants" threatening docs over this. |
indurancevile |
Aug-23-11 12:55 AM |
#144 |
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Given the tenor of some of the posts here... |
Pamela Troy |
Aug-23-11 10:25 AM |
#151 |
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If you have CFS, be sure to get tested for sleep apnea and other sleep disorders. |
McCamy Taylor |
Aug-23-11 11:33 AM |
#154 |
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Spleen Apnoea and ME easily distinguished |
spooniebill |
Aug-24-11 07:43 AM |
#169 |
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Response to the Observer article |
spooniebill |
Aug-24-11 07:40 AM |
#168 |
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"We're not crazy, and if say that we are, we'll prove that you are right!" |
Freddie Stubbs |
Aug-24-11 01:18 PM |
#171 |
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Unless the article is mostly a bunch of shit. |
Hissyspit |
Aug-29-11 04:54 PM |
#173 |