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Tue Jul-19-11 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #26 |
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And, btw, glad to hear you feel well -- but you're also helping the planet!! And animals!!  |
| -Eating Meat Linked To Disease, Report Says |
onehandle |
Jul-19-11 07:50 AM |
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Consuming meat is like consuming alcohol: some consumption positive, too much is negative. |
robcon |
Jul-19-11 07:54 AM |
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"Don't over do it." n/t |
PoliticAverse |
Jul-19-11 11:34 AM |
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All things in moderation. n/t |
fasttense |
Jul-20-11 07:22 AM |
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Aha - that explains the MeatBaggers (R) |
SpiralHawk |
Jul-19-11 07:56 AM |
#2 |
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Lady Gaga, is that you? |
No Elephants |
Jul-19-11 02:32 PM |
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Dr. John McDougall has show this evidence for more than 25 years. |
daggahead |
Jul-19-11 07:59 AM |
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Except the study isnt saying people should go "vegan and or vegetarian" |
cstanleytech |
Jul-19-11 08:14 AM |
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So the only options are eating an excessive amount of meat/dairy or none? |
WatsonT |
Jul-19-11 08:16 AM |
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For the High, Holy Church of the Great Vegan ... |
earthside |
Jul-19-11 08:49 AM |
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It sounds like they went to the effort to prove common sense |
WatsonT |
Jul-19-11 08:51 AM |
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since I went mostly vegan in March-- |
ginnyinWI |
Jul-19-11 09:05 AM |
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I've heard a similar sales pitch on tv from jenny craig *grin* |
cstanleytech |
Jul-19-11 09:23 AM |
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Yes, losing weight, regardless of how you do it, will have health benefits. |
No Elephants |
Jul-19-11 02:42 PM |
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yes it's a lot easier than a diet. |
ginnyinWI |
Jul-19-11 03:35 PM |
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nice kitties |
AndyTiedye |
Jul-19-11 04:27 PM |
#69 |
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After a Couple of Days I Would be Thinking About it All The Time |
AndyTiedye |
Jul-19-11 04:16 PM |
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You lose a taste for it, after awhile. I would gag if I tried to eat beef, which I gave up... |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-21-11 12:10 AM |
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+1 -- That's what "dieting" used to mean -- changing the food you eat -- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:21 PM |
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oh, bullshit. |
kwassa |
Jul-20-11 08:50 PM |
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You are not a vegan if you eat fish. Vegans do not eat any animal products. |
RebelOne |
Jul-19-11 01:11 PM |
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probably why they said "mostly vegan" don't you think? n/t |
Scout |
Jul-19-11 01:47 PM |
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that's why I said "mostly vegan". nt |
ginnyinWI |
Jul-19-11 03:28 PM |
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I find vegans break down, for the most part, into two groups. |
No Elephants |
Jul-19-11 02:39 PM |
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+1 -- Second group here -- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:22 PM |
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I've also lost weight in the past couple months since signing up for a CSA |
Matariki |
Jul-20-11 02:22 AM |
#101 |
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You do not need animal protein to get B-12. |
RebelOne |
Jul-19-11 01:15 PM |
#43 |
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You Need Either Animal Protein or a Big Factory Somewhere to Make It Artificially |
AndyTiedye |
Jul-19-11 04:08 PM |
#66 |
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Apparently not. |
The Traveler |
Jul-19-11 05:40 PM |
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Ever been to India? nt |
sudopod |
Jul-20-11 11:02 PM |
#132 |
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And all vegetables have protein -- the kind of protein your body needs ... !! |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:23 PM |
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So that kind of argues against the "natural" argument for veganism |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 08:28 AM |
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'Everything in moderation" is so eighteenth century. Or, Ancient Greek |
No Elephants |
Jul-19-11 02:35 PM |
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No. But what the average uninformed American would call "moderation" |
Schema Thing |
Jul-19-11 08:54 PM |
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I would hope most people who are obese recognize that they are unhealthy |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 07:43 AM |
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I wasn't obese or even what most people would call overweight |
Schema Thing |
Jul-20-11 08:22 AM |
#110 |
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Depends on the meat source and the quantity |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 08:27 AM |
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meh. It's ok. Not needed, but it probably won't hurt you. But it will kill the ocean |
Schema Thing |
Jul-20-11 10:18 AM |
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Seems a bit hyperbolic to me |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 11:40 AM |
#120 |
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Then you didn't give it any real thought. |
Schema Thing |
Jul-20-11 08:29 PM |
#129 |
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Really . . . so eating farmed fish in moderation will literally kill the ocean |
WatsonT |
Jul-21-11 08:19 AM |
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Uh-oh. You gone and done it now. |
Zorra |
Jul-19-11 08:28 AM |
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You forgot |
cstanleytech |
Jul-19-11 09:26 AM |
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... |
Zorra |
Jul-19-11 01:16 PM |
#44 |
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Going vegan and or vegetarian |
AlbertCat |
Jul-19-11 10:07 AM |
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Well, it's certainly unnatural for omnivorous humans. |
aquart |
Jul-19-11 01:00 PM |
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delicate. You mean llike having the animal tortured and killed for you? |
veganlush |
Jul-19-11 11:01 PM |
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Slaughter houses will glass walls would help -- !!! :) |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:27 PM |
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Outrageous! I torture and murder the animal myself thank you very much |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 08:29 AM |
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delicate. Like not doing your own killing and butchering. |
boppers |
Jul-20-11 11:23 PM |
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Cave folks did not always have a dead mammoth handy. |
No Elephants |
Jul-19-11 02:46 PM |
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Depends On Where They Lived |
AndyTiedye |
Jul-19-11 06:13 PM |
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So then an omnivorous diet is the most natural |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 08:30 AM |
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Why would you think that eating PLANTS is the same as eating an animal? |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:25 PM |
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Former Meathead here, gone to the Vegans, and I'm Loving It. |
byronius |
Jul-19-11 10:13 AM |
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Tried it for 6 months myself and hated it. |
FLPanhandle |
Jul-19-11 11:52 AM |
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I imagine we take out of an experience what we want to... |
LanternWaste |
Jul-19-11 02:36 PM |
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And We Take Out of Food What Our Individual Bodies are Capable of Digesting |
AndyTiedye |
Jul-19-11 06:09 PM |
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I tried the vegetarian thing for about 6 months (not vegan) |
FLPanhandle |
Jul-19-11 07:40 PM |
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I smell BS |
U4ikLefty |
Jul-20-11 02:15 AM |
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You just don't like to face anything that conflicts with your agenda |
FLPanhandle |
Jul-20-11 05:22 AM |
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Same here. 2 months clean ;) |
Schema Thing |
Jul-19-11 09:04 PM |
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What moved you to do it? |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:32 PM |
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Hard to say... |
Schema Thing |
Jul-20-11 08:19 AM |
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Why did you do it? |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:28 PM |
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This Comedienne Sez: |
TalkingDog |
Jul-19-11 12:42 PM |
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I was with her till the last sentence. How does liking immigrants jibe with eliminating their jobs? |
No Elephants |
Jul-19-11 02:51 PM |
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Unusual when comedians get it so wrong ... what does she think cows eat? |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:35 PM |
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Hehe +1 |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 08:31 AM |
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True -- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:19 PM |
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Hed: Eating meat linked to disease. Story: Eating too much meat linked to disease. |
Brickbat |
Jul-19-11 07:59 AM |
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Years ago, I heard that, in terms of total plate area, meat should be like a condiment. |
No Elephants |
Jul-19-11 02:48 PM |
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No ... problem isn't moderation -- it's animal eating --- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:36 PM |
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Eat what you want |
guardian |
Jul-19-11 08:12 AM |
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Eating too much anything causes problems |
WatsonT |
Jul-19-11 08:14 AM |
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Exactly. nt |
cstanleytech |
Jul-19-11 08:15 AM |
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"allows that meat can be an important source of protein and vitamins when eaten in moderation" |
FLPanhandle |
Jul-19-11 08:46 AM |
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yeah it "allows" that it can be an important source |
veganlush |
Jul-19-11 09:14 AM |
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Right on cue. |
FLPanhandle |
Jul-19-11 09:26 AM |
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No you cannot get everything you need from a plant based diet. |
RC |
Jul-19-11 09:32 AM |
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Using facts with a committed vegan is like |
WatsonT |
Jul-19-11 12:17 PM |
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I've heard Seventh Day Adventists and others make the exact opposite statement about our teeth, |
No Elephants |
Jul-19-11 03:00 PM |
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We are neither. We are Apes. |
RC |
Jul-19-11 03:56 PM |
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Actually, we're rats |
jmowreader |
Jul-19-11 11:26 PM |
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Not true -- plants have the kind of protein that you need -- not animal protein ... |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:38 PM |
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Ever hear of B12? |
RC |
Jul-20-11 10:10 AM |
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You can get everything you need from a plant-based diet |
AlbertCat |
Jul-19-11 10:10 AM |
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Heh. |
Brickbat |
Jul-19-11 10:19 AM |
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See this post. |
TalkingDog |
Jul-19-11 12:45 PM |
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So? Things other than meat "can be" and are important sources of protein and vitamins. |
No Elephants |
Jul-19-11 02:56 PM |
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So what? |
FLPanhandle |
Jul-19-11 03:12 PM |
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Unless you are a body builder or a toddler, |
veganlush |
Jul-19-11 09:10 AM |
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hyperbole - it's what's for dinner! |
Kali |
Jul-19-11 11:48 AM |
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I'm Not Sure the "Complementary Protein" Thing Works for Everybody |
AndyTiedye |
Jul-19-11 01:09 PM |
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Dr. Neal Barnard says there are four foods with addictive qualities: |
ginnyinWI |
Jul-19-11 03:46 PM |
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water can be pretty damned addictive, too. |
provis99 |
Jul-19-11 04:16 PM |
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My record for vegetarianism is 6 weeks. |
wickerwoman |
Jul-19-11 06:09 PM |
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So Do At Least 2 Neurotransmitters Produced When You Exercise |
AndyTiedye |
Jul-19-11 07:01 PM |
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Interesting ... think he forgot "salt" -- because salt is a large part of any animal's body.... |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:42 PM |
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Americans seem even more addicted to cheese than meat |
Mr. Sinister |
Jul-20-11 06:44 PM |
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Vegan bodybuilders do exist. |
flvegan |
Jul-19-11 09:42 PM |
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Actually ruminants don't get all of those vitamins/proteins from the grass they eat |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 08:33 AM |
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That's why you avoid the meat that's green and fuzzy. |
krispos42 |
Jul-19-11 09:20 AM |
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Anti-Inuit propaganda! |
rayofreason |
Jul-19-11 09:52 AM |
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Eating too much anything is bad for your health. |
AlbertCat |
Jul-19-11 10:05 AM |
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meat stinks......... nt |
patrick t. cakes |
Jul-19-11 10:44 AM |
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This just in - birth fatal. |
sybylla |
Jul-19-11 10:51 AM |
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Swiss Cuisine Has More Veggies Than South German Food |
AndyTiedye |
Jul-19-11 11:57 AM |
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As long as the only vegetables you want are cabbage and potatoes |
WatsonT |
Jul-19-11 12:16 PM |
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They Have Some Other Vegetables Too |
AndyTiedye |
Jul-19-11 01:11 PM |
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Unrec for Bunk Headline |
AndyTiedye |
Jul-19-11 12:06 PM |
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Reminds me - I've got to get those ribs on to cook - eom |
lynne |
Jul-19-11 02:01 PM |
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What kind of meat are people eating? |
War Horse |
Jul-19-11 02:28 PM |
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Soylent Green |
sakabatou |
Jul-19-11 02:34 PM |
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Well fuck. And I just had a good helping of brisket. |
sakabatou |
Jul-19-11 02:33 PM |
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russian proverb: |
BOG PERSON |
Jul-19-11 02:48 PM |
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Brilliant deduction: Eating too much of something is bad for your health. |
Cool Logic |
Jul-19-11 04:39 PM |
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I'm guessing that most people don't know how much is "too" much |
Schema Thing |
Jul-19-11 09:09 PM |
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My face when thread is hijacked by manly men feeling threatened by vegetarianism. |
sudopod |
Jul-19-11 05:16 PM |
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I'm amazed that any info got out at all -- considering what tight control corporations |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:44 PM |
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Most of the responses I've seen in that regard have been against |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 07:39 AM |
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And it makes you sooooo mad. XD nt |
sudopod |
Jul-20-11 10:20 AM |
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It's a bit obnoxious but doesn't really make me mad |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 11:42 AM |
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I'm not passing judgement, heh. |
sudopod |
Jul-20-11 11:56 AM |
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No, again, nobody is claiming vegans are oppressing them |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 02:28 PM |
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The OP wasn't exactly a call to revolution. |
sudopod |
Jul-20-11 04:12 PM |
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Not referring to the OP |
WatsonT |
Jul-21-11 08:16 AM |
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I'm sorry if I got mixed up, this is clearly very important to you. nt |
sudopod |
Jul-21-11 10:35 AM |
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Let me be obnoxious, then. |
kwassa |
Jul-20-11 09:01 PM |
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See that is not obnoxious |
WatsonT |
Jul-21-11 08:18 AM |
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PLANTS are our nutrition, our medicines -- animal-eating is harming the planet --- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-19-11 11:16 PM |
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Jul-20-11 12:59 AM |
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No use trying to reason with that poster. |
Odin2005 |
Jul-20-11 01:05 AM |
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eh ... you're a little confused on that --- |
defendandprotect |
Jul-20-11 02:59 AM |
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What does the fact that they eat plants have to do with anything? |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 07:40 AM |
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Lost cause with that one.. |
X_Digger |
Jul-20-11 02:43 PM |
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Monkeys even understand money: |
WatsonT |
Jul-20-11 03:15 PM |
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Teaching moderation and cooking skills is the key |
Marrah_G |
Jul-20-11 08:08 AM |
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This is very helpful, thanks... |
killbotfactory |
Jul-20-11 05:50 PM |
#127 |
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