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Thu Jul-14-11 02:47 PM
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| 32. +a number that is too big to have a name |
| -Critic of Venezuela's Chavez sentenced for remarks |
Bacchus39 |
Jul-14-11 08:04 AM |
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Hugo is an asshole. |
Itchinjim |
Jul-14-11 08:31 AM |
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Jul-14-11 06:50 PM |
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+1 -- succinctly put, as well. nt |
MADem |
Jul-15-11 01:59 AM |
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Yup. |
jefferson_dem |
Jul-15-11 08:46 AM |
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Jul-15-11 10:04 AM |
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Yep... |
bvar22 |
Jul-15-11 02:11 PM |
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Social democracies in Latin America have done the same things, quicker, and more equitibly. |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 07:28 PM |
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Well said, but be careful who you support. |
Ash_F |
Jul-17-11 11:49 PM |
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I'm not a Venezuelan, therefore I don't support anyone there. |
joshcryer |
Jul-18-11 04:35 AM |
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Read a little about their history and you will know they changed very much. |
Ash_F |
Jul-18-11 05:41 AM |
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Oh lordy, Paz is horrible, I am not defending him at all! |
joshcryer |
Jul-18-11 06:22 AM |
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Wait. No one's defending a guy |
spanza |
Jul-18-11 11:13 AM |
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Is there more to this story? Can you really be convicted of spreading lies in Venezuela? |
BenzoDia |
Jul-14-11 09:02 AM |
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if the government says its a lie you can n/t |
Bacchus39 |
Jul-14-11 09:11 AM |
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This story is absurdly thin. |
Arctic Dave |
Jul-14-11 09:21 AM |
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Will you condemn Chavez if he goes to prison? |
UnrepentantLiberal |
Jul-14-11 09:25 AM |
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Since the reporter's story is thin as a cheesclothe I would have to |
Arctic Dave |
Jul-14-11 09:30 AM |
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Why should Venezuelan courts be criticized for upholding Venezuelan law? |
EFerrari |
Jul-14-11 01:09 PM |
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ummmm.....its the law thats the problem. surely even you see that??? |
Bacchus39 |
Jul-14-11 01:29 PM |
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Baloney. That's your biased frame. I'd say when tv stations can stage coups |
EFerrari |
Jul-14-11 01:46 PM |
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good for you. I say criticism of the government and speaking out makes a health society |
Bacchus39 |
Jul-14-11 01:52 PM |
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Criticism of the government is not the same as spreading panic |
EFerrari |
Jul-14-11 01:56 PM |
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how about that Ven is a haven for drug traffickers, you know the reason the guy was sentenced |
Bacchus39 |
Jul-14-11 02:10 PM |
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The TV station is precisely the issue. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jul-14-11 03:03 PM |
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The TV Station is not at question here. Alvarez Paz is. |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-14-11 03:11 PM |
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They didn't convict the TV station |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-14-11 03:36 PM |
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LOL |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:11 PM |
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Stalin and Putin couldn't have said it better. |
UnrepentantLiberal |
Jul-15-11 05:48 AM |
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We have laws here that are a problem. Is that Obama's fault? |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-14-11 11:33 PM |
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Did Obama sign them by decree? I know Bush used his executive orders to change policy. |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 01:10 AM |
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How many laws has Chavez 'signed by decree'? |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-15-11 02:13 PM |
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Why didn't he deny this totalitarian law by decree? |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 07:29 PM |
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Yes... if he uses a bad law to imprison someone unjustly. |
UnrepentantLiberal |
Jul-15-11 05:44 AM |
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Opinions are always easy, everyone has one. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-15-11 02:04 PM |
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So now your down to splitting hairs about who created the law? |
UnrepentantLiberal |
Jul-15-11 04:02 PM |
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So, you really don't have anything after all. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-15-11 06:15 PM |
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Nice dancing with you. |
UnrepentantLiberal |
Jul-15-11 06:38 PM |
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Bradley Manning was jailed in accordance with US law - you ok with that? nt |
hack89 |
Jul-14-11 01:47 PM |
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No. |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-14-11 03:36 PM |
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There is nothing OK about either case. nt |
hack89 |
Jul-14-11 04:10 PM |
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As long as it's not US law, and as long as it's as totalitarian as it can get, it's "Good Law." |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:16 PM |
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Jul-14-11 12:36 PM |
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No it isn't, they have used these tactics in the past to stop candidates from running for office. |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:10 PM |
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Well, since you say so. |
Arctic Dave |
Jul-14-11 09:43 PM |
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Would you like a link? They arbitratily, administratively, deny people from running... |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 01:07 AM |
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Jul-15-11 09:27 AM |
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Indeed you can |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jul-14-11 10:16 AM |
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You can in the U.K. too. |
harun |
Jul-14-11 12:04 PM |
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Unfortunately, the short answer is "YES" |
backtomn |
Jul-14-11 12:26 PM |
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Sad for the rich wing nuts who own the media that they can't tell the people |
EFerrari |
Jul-14-11 01:13 PM |
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They didn't. The Army told the people that the president had resigned. nt |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-14-11 02:55 PM |
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oh, sure. |
bitchkitty |
Jul-15-11 12:10 AM |
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The general who announced Chavez's resignation, Lucas Rincon, was later promoted by Chavez |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-15-11 10:11 AM |
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So? |
bitchkitty |
Jul-15-11 10:41 AM |
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So he's the one who should be punished. Why was he promoted instead? |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-15-11 10:48 AM |
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Maybe Chavez felt he had atoned. |
bitchkitty |
Jul-15-11 10:58 AM |
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Being able to forgive your enemies is one thing. Promoting them is a different one. nt |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-15-11 11:08 AM |
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It's my guess that the general was under the gun, literally. |
bitchkitty |
Jul-15-11 11:21 AM |
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Indeed, it is your "guess". nt |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-16-11 11:36 AM |
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Jul-16-11 06:47 PM |
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No, you're just making noise |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-17-11 11:44 AM |
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Jul-17-11 11:45 AM |
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What does that have to do with saying that Venezuela is a drug haven? nt. |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-14-11 03:37 PM |
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There's always more to the weekly anti-Chavez propaganda |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-14-11 07:32 PM |
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Yes. It's not been forcefully implemented because it can backfire very easily. |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:09 PM |
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Anti-Chavez lies. |
harun |
Jul-14-11 09:32 AM |
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And you base this sweeping statement on what??? |
COLGATE4 |
Jul-14-11 10:47 AM |
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Everything the Corporate Media says about Chavez is a lie. |
harun |
Jul-14-11 12:05 PM |
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Jul-14-11 03:37 PM |
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Jul-14-11 09:10 PM |
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Venezuelan State News Agency. It's called AVN |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-14-11 09:16 PM |
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??? |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-14-11 10:21 PM |
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Our right wing nuts |
classysassy |
Jul-14-11 06:59 PM |
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So |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-15-11 08:51 AM |
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I guess you must be near rioting over this then: |
KarmakazeNZ |
Jul-17-11 07:29 PM |
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Jul-14-11 12:37 PM |
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Venezuela Analysis chimes in... |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-15-11 08:48 AM |
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Source: Venezuelan State news agency |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-14-11 10:49 AM |
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thanks for that. incredible. n/t |
Bacchus39 |
Jul-14-11 11:24 AM |
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he did this on TV too. Meanwhile our torture worshipers are free to blab about it. |
RedCloud |
Jul-14-11 11:47 AM |
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Here's a smaller version of that photo: |
Judi Lynn |
Jul-14-11 12:41 PM |
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Merci beaucoup |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-14-11 09:10 PM |
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Too bad we don't have a law that says it's illegal to |
bitchkitty |
Jul-14-11 12:39 PM |
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We have a little thing called the First Ammendment. n/t |
totodeinhere |
Jul-14-11 02:34 PM |
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The Social Contract is not a Suicide Pact... |
sabo_tabby |
Jul-14-11 03:19 PM |
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No we don't. |
bitchkitty |
Jul-14-11 07:18 PM |
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Untruths are not dangerous or obscene speech, and therefore are protected. |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:15 PM |
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If a station advertises itself as news, and then tells lies, |
bitchkitty |
Jul-14-11 09:44 PM |
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If a station has an individual on its channel and that individual tells what is considered a lie... |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:51 PM |
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I am advocating that television news |
bitchkitty |
Jul-14-11 10:21 PM |
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You wouldn't put them in jail, but you'd punish them, so you're somewhere in between. |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 12:56 AM |
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Fines. License suspension. |
bitchkitty |
Jul-15-11 01:34 AM |
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Politics and other things are not governed by objective truth, it's always subjective. |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 01:45 AM |
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Sigh... |
bitchkitty |
Jul-15-11 10:00 AM |
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Admit it. You just don't know how to support such a reactionary law |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-15-11 10:18 AM |
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Jul-15-11 10:37 AM |
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and if you say the truth but the government call it a lie as the case is here??? n/t |
Bacchus39 |
Jul-15-11 10:49 AM |
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2-5 years of prison says the law you support. |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-15-11 10:54 AM |
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Was Chavez the one to implement that law? |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-15-11 07:23 PM |
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Obama doesn't have decree powers, and therefore cannot control laws. Chavez does. |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 07:33 PM |
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Wrong, the US president absolutely has decree powers. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-15-11 08:16 PM |
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That's absurdly false, executive powers are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination. |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 08:27 PM |
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No, you show me where it is not. You are the one claiming he has |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-15-11 10:41 PM |
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Do you know what rule by decree is? It is power to create law. There is almost no limit on the laws. |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 10:49 PM |
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Executive orders only apply to Federal executive agencies, not to the citizenry |
Bacchus39 |
Jul-16-11 08:43 AM |
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Actually |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-15-11 03:57 PM |
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I'm afraid you don't know me at all. |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 07:19 PM |
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I'm with you. |
MADem |
Jul-15-11 02:08 AM |
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Obama lied to us. He said what he needed to say to get elected. |
bitchkitty |
Jul-15-11 10:48 AM |
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Oh, please. He doesn't have his eye on YOU, so you're going to take your little ball and go home. |
MADem |
Jul-15-11 08:53 PM |
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Don't you dare try to bully me. |
bitchkitty |
Jul-16-11 06:53 AM |
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Right back atcha--and I don't "do" tactics and I certainly could not be |
MADem |
Jul-16-11 10:37 AM |
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Thank you! |
bitchkitty |
Jul-16-11 05:32 PM |
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Obama didn't lie? |
KarmakazeNZ |
Jul-17-11 07:10 PM |
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Fox is entitled by law to lie. |
KarmakazeNZ |
Jul-17-11 07:00 PM |
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VOTE--with your remote. |
MADem |
Jul-15-11 02:10 AM |
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Of course it bothers me, but any remedy against it would do more harm than good IMO. |
totodeinhere |
Jul-15-11 01:42 PM |
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Sorry for the typo. I usually spell check but I must have forgotten to. n/t |
totodeinhere |
Jul-15-11 01:40 PM |
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+a number that is too big to have a name |
FiveGoodMen |
Jul-14-11 02:47 PM |
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You mean like saying Social Security checks might not go out on Aug. 3rd? nt |
kelly1mm |
Jul-14-11 02:51 PM |
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You'd need to amend the constitution for that, and dramatically modify the first amendment. |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:12 PM |
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I fully support the 1st Ammendment, |
bvar22 |
Jul-14-11 12:51 PM |
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+1 |
bitchkitty |
Jul-14-11 01:05 PM |
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K&R #4 for, of *course*!1 n/t |
UTUSN |
Jul-14-11 01:30 PM |
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I wish we could do that to FOX news, every time they lie. |
bahrbearian |
Jul-14-11 02:51 PM |
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US progressives support such law? 2 years of prison for saying those words? |
ChangoLoa |
Jul-14-11 03:09 PM |
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Progressives don't support such law... |
rayofreason |
Jul-14-11 03:25 PM |
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The only thing the fat cats and bosses understand is naked force |
sabo_tabby |
Jul-14-11 03:32 PM |
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So what exactly are you advocating? |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-14-11 03:40 PM |
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That presumes they get the white house back... |
sabo_tabby |
Jul-14-11 03:59 PM |
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Sure but, |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-14-11 04:24 PM |
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We could put all of your 1 thru 3 in jail but that's like an Eskimo Roll.... |
sabo_tabby |
Jul-15-11 12:40 AM |
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"Look what it took to get social justice for the Venezuelans."? |
boppers |
Jul-14-11 07:08 PM |
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This was a step in the right direction... |
sabo_tabby |
Jul-14-11 11:50 PM |
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"they rise up with one voice"... |
boppers |
Jul-15-11 02:45 AM |
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What social justice are you talking about? Poverty reduction is more effective in social democracy. |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:20 PM |
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Still a long way to go... |
sabo_tabby |
Jul-14-11 11:51 PM |
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No, they don't, studies have shown time and time again that non-populist regimes fare better. |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 01:00 AM |
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They are not progressives. |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-14-11 03:39 PM |
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Ministry of Truth. |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:18 PM |
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Well said. nt |
MADem |
Jul-15-11 02:11 AM |
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Chavez-bots and Obama-bots vs. Chavez-bashers and Obama-bashers. |
pampango |
Jul-14-11 05:24 PM |
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Well, I don't see too many OPs on Venezuela from 'Chavezbots' |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-14-11 07:44 PM |
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What is anti-Latin America about pointing out Venezuela's speech laws are inadequate? |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:24 PM |
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Do a little research on our policies towards Latin America. |
sabrina 1 |
Jul-14-11 11:56 PM |
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I am fully aware of our policies, and I don't like them any more than I like anti-speech laws. |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 12:55 AM |
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"Their laws are not our business, are they?" |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-15-11 08:45 AM |
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The people you are talking about... |
KarmakazeNZ |
Jul-17-11 07:14 PM |
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This OP specifically |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-15-11 08:53 AM |
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The key difference being is that some of us recognize good things Chavez has done. |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:21 PM |
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Unrec for dishonest headline |
saras |
Jul-14-11 08:38 PM |
#58 |
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What he did was equivalent to the remarks you hear every day on TV here. |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:23 PM |
#71 |
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his remarks weren't even false in the first place and the charges brought were because of his |
Bacchus39 |
Jul-14-11 09:54 PM |
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LOL... |
naaman fletcher |
Jul-15-11 08:43 AM |
#104 |
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Just so we're clear, this law covers all media speech, including on the internet. |
joshcryer |
Jul-14-11 09:31 PM |
#73 |
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Is the UN's World Drug Report 2010 a credible source about Venezuelan narcotrafficking? |
Zorro |
Jul-14-11 10:53 PM |
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Venezuela propaganda is akin to the Ministry of Truth, this guy was arrested so that he couldn't run |
joshcryer |
Jul-15-11 01:01 AM |
#90 |
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Whoever wrote that better stay the hell outta Venezuela! |
MADem |
Jul-15-11 02:17 AM |
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Zorro will be arrested if he enters Venezuela n/t |
Bacchus39 |
Jul-15-11 07:32 AM |
#103 |
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If they cut off his penis, I'm sure you will be there making up excuses. |
U4ikLefty |
Jul-15-11 05:35 PM |
#131 |
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Whose penis? Chavez's? |
MADem |
Jul-15-11 08:44 PM |
#141 |
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I hope |
Zorro |
Jul-15-11 09:18 PM |
#143 |
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You must be a unicyclist...with all that backpeddaling. |
U4ikLefty |
Jul-16-11 12:50 AM |
#146 |
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Reading is fundamental. So's comprehension. Do try it. |
MADem |
Jul-16-11 01:13 AM |
#147 |
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It gets better: Supreme Court prelim. hearing on impeachment of Capriles (another Pres. candidate): |
joshcryer |
Jul-16-11 05:33 AM |
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Jul-16-11 07:54 AM |
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Considering the US has made it clear that any nation harbouring terrorists will be targetted... |
KarmakazeNZ |
Jul-17-11 06:56 PM |
#158 |
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Yeah, odds are that if FOX news had took to that level against Obama(no they haven't), |
Ash_F |
Jul-18-11 12:20 AM |
#164 |
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Globovision is a local news channel with like 5% of the ratings... |
spanza |
Jul-18-11 11:16 AM |
#169 |
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