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7. Anti-Chavez lies.
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  -Critic of Venezuela's Chavez sentenced for remarks Bacchus39  Jul-14-11 08:04 AM   #0 
  - Hugo is an asshole.  Itchinjim   Jul-14-11 08:31 AM   #1 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-14-11 06:50 PM   #52 
  - +1 -- succinctly put, as well. nt  MADem   Jul-15-11 01:59 AM   #95 
  - Yup.  jefferson_dem   Jul-15-11 08:46 AM   #106 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-15-11 10:04 AM   #112 
  - Yep...  bvar22   Jul-15-11 02:11 PM   #127 
     - Social democracies in Latin America have done the same things, quicker, and more equitibly.  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 07:28 PM   #136 
        - Well said, but be careful who you support.  Ash_F   Jul-17-11 11:49 PM   #163 
           - I'm not a Venezuelan, therefore I don't support anyone there.  joshcryer   Jul-18-11 04:35 AM   #165 
              - Read a little about their history and you will know they changed very much.  Ash_F   Jul-18-11 05:41 AM   #166 
                 - Oh lordy, Paz is horrible, I am not defending him at all!  joshcryer   Jul-18-11 06:22 AM   #167 
                 - Wait. No one's defending a guy  spanza   Jul-18-11 11:13 AM   #168 
  - Is there more to this story? Can you really be convicted of spreading lies in Venezuela?  BenzoDia   Jul-14-11 09:02 AM   #2 
  - if the government says its a lie you can n/t  Bacchus39   Jul-14-11 09:11 AM   #3 
  - This story is absurdly thin.  Arctic Dave   Jul-14-11 09:21 AM   #4 
  - Will you condemn Chavez if he goes to prison?  UnrepentantLiberal   Jul-14-11 09:25 AM   #5 
  - Since the reporter's story is thin as a cheesclothe I would have to  Arctic Dave   Jul-14-11 09:30 AM   #6 
  - Why should Venezuelan courts be criticized for upholding Venezuelan law?  EFerrari   Jul-14-11 01:09 PM   #22 
     - ummmm.....its the law thats the problem. surely even you see that???  Bacchus39   Jul-14-11 01:29 PM   #24 
     - Baloney. That's your biased frame. I'd say when tv stations can stage coups  EFerrari   Jul-14-11 01:46 PM   #26 
     - good for you. I say criticism of the government and speaking out makes a health society  Bacchus39   Jul-14-11 01:52 PM   #28 
     - Criticism of the government is not the same as spreading panic  EFerrari   Jul-14-11 01:56 PM   #29 
        - how about that Ven is a haven for drug traffickers, you know the reason the guy was sentenced  Bacchus39   Jul-14-11 02:10 PM   #30 
           - The TV station is precisely the issue. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-14-11 03:03 PM   #36 
              - The TV Station is not at question here. Alvarez Paz is.  ChangoLoa   Jul-14-11 03:11 PM   #38 
              - They didn't convict the TV station  naaman fletcher   Jul-14-11 03:36 PM   #42 
                 - LOL  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:11 PM   #63 
     - Stalin and Putin couldn't have said it better.  UnrepentantLiberal   Jul-15-11 05:48 AM   #102 
     - We have laws here that are a problem. Is that Obama's fault?  sabrina 1   Jul-14-11 11:33 PM   #81 
        - Did Obama sign them by decree? I know Bush used his executive orders to change policy.  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 01:10 AM   #92 
        - How many laws has Chavez 'signed by decree'?  sabrina 1   Jul-15-11 02:13 PM   #128 
           - Why didn't he deny this totalitarian law by decree?  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 07:29 PM   #137 
        - Yes... if he uses a bad law to imprison someone unjustly.  UnrepentantLiberal   Jul-15-11 05:44 AM   #101 
           - Opinions are always easy, everyone has one.  sabrina 1   Jul-15-11 02:04 PM   #126 
              - So now your down to splitting hairs about who created the law?  UnrepentantLiberal   Jul-15-11 04:02 PM   #130 
                 - So, you really don't have anything after all.  sabrina 1   Jul-15-11 06:15 PM   #132 
                    - Nice dancing with you.  UnrepentantLiberal   Jul-15-11 06:38 PM   #133 
     - Bradley Manning was jailed in accordance with US law - you ok with that? nt  hack89   Jul-14-11 01:47 PM   #27 
        - No.  naaman fletcher   Jul-14-11 03:36 PM   #43 
        - There is nothing OK about either case. nt  hack89   Jul-14-11 04:10 PM   #49 
        - As long as it's not US law, and as long as it's as totalitarian as it can get, it's "Good Law."  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:16 PM   #66 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-14-11 12:36 PM   #16 
  - No it isn't, they have used these tactics in the past to stop candidates from running for office.  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:10 PM   #61 
     - Well, since you say so.  Arctic Dave   Jul-14-11 09:43 PM   #74 
        - Would you like a link? They arbitratily, administratively, deny people from running...  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 01:07 AM   #91 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-15-11 09:27 AM   #110 
  - Indeed you can  ProgressiveProfessor   Jul-14-11 10:16 AM   #8 
  - You can in the U.K. too.  harun   Jul-14-11 12:04 PM   #13 
  - Unfortunately, the short answer is "YES"  backtomn   Jul-14-11 12:26 PM   #15 
  - Sad for the rich wing nuts who own the media that they can't tell the people  EFerrari   Jul-14-11 01:13 PM   #23 
     - They didn't. The Army told the people that the president had resigned. nt  ChangoLoa   Jul-14-11 02:55 PM   #35 
     - oh, sure.  bitchkitty   Jul-15-11 12:10 AM   #85 
        - The general who announced Chavez's resignation, Lucas Rincon, was later promoted by Chavez  ChangoLoa   Jul-15-11 10:11 AM   #113 
           - So?  bitchkitty   Jul-15-11 10:41 AM   #116 
              - So he's the one who should be punished. Why was he promoted instead?  ChangoLoa   Jul-15-11 10:48 AM   #117 
                 - Maybe Chavez felt he had atoned.  bitchkitty   Jul-15-11 10:58 AM   #121 
                    - Being able to forgive your enemies is one thing. Promoting them is a different one. nt  ChangoLoa   Jul-15-11 11:08 AM   #122 
                       - It's my guess that the general was under the gun, literally.  bitchkitty   Jul-15-11 11:21 AM   #123 
                          - Indeed, it is your "guess". nt  ChangoLoa   Jul-16-11 11:36 AM   #153 
                             - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-16-11 06:47 PM   #155 
                                - No, you're just making noise  ChangoLoa   Jul-17-11 11:44 AM   #156 
                                - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-17-11 11:45 AM   #157 
     - What does that have to do with saying that Venezuela is a drug haven? nt.  naaman fletcher   Jul-14-11 03:37 PM   #44 
  - There's always more to the weekly anti-Chavez propaganda  sabrina 1   Jul-14-11 07:32 PM   #56 
  - Yes. It's not been forcefully implemented because it can backfire very easily.  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:09 PM   #59 
  - Anti-Chavez lies.  harun   Jul-14-11 09:32 AM   #7 
  - And you base this sweeping statement on what???  COLGATE4   Jul-14-11 10:47 AM   #9 
  - Everything the Corporate Media says about Chavez is a lie.  harun   Jul-14-11 12:05 PM   #14 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-14-11 03:37 PM   #45 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-14-11 09:10 PM   #62 
     - Venezuelan State News Agency. It's called AVN  ChangoLoa   Jul-14-11 09:16 PM   #67 
     - ???  naaman fletcher   Jul-14-11 10:21 PM   #79 
  - Our right wing nuts  classysassy   Jul-14-11 06:59 PM   #53 
     - So  naaman fletcher   Jul-15-11 08:51 AM   #108 
        - I guess you must be near rioting over this then:  KarmakazeNZ   Jul-17-11 07:29 PM   #162 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-14-11 12:37 PM   #17 
  - Venezuela Analysis chimes in...  naaman fletcher   Jul-15-11 08:48 AM   #107 
  - Source: Venezuelan State news agency  ChangoLoa   Jul-14-11 10:49 AM   #10 
  - thanks for that. incredible. n/t  Bacchus39   Jul-14-11 11:24 AM   #11 
  - he did this on TV too. Meanwhile our torture worshipers are free to blab about it.  RedCloud   Jul-14-11 11:47 AM   #12 
  - Here's a smaller version of that photo:  Judi Lynn   Jul-14-11 12:41 PM   #19 
     - Merci beaucoup  ChangoLoa   Jul-14-11 09:10 PM   #60 
  - Too bad we don't have a law that says it's illegal to  bitchkitty   Jul-14-11 12:39 PM   #18 
  - We have a little thing called the First Ammendment. n/t  totodeinhere   Jul-14-11 02:34 PM   #31 
  - The Social Contract is not a Suicide Pact...  sabo_tabby   Jul-14-11 03:19 PM   #39 
  - No we don't.  bitchkitty   Jul-14-11 07:18 PM   #55 
     - Untruths are not dangerous or obscene speech, and therefore are protected.  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:15 PM   #65 
     - If a station advertises itself as news, and then tells lies,  bitchkitty   Jul-14-11 09:44 PM   #75 
        - If a station has an individual on its channel and that individual tells what is considered a lie...  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:51 PM   #76 
        - I am advocating that television news  bitchkitty   Jul-14-11 10:21 PM   #78 
        - You wouldn't put them in jail, but you'd punish them, so you're somewhere in between.  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 12:56 AM   #88 
           - Fines. License suspension.  bitchkitty   Jul-15-11 01:34 AM   #93 
              - Politics and other things are not governed by objective truth, it's always subjective.  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 01:45 AM   #94 
                 - Sigh...  bitchkitty   Jul-15-11 10:00 AM   #111 
                    - Admit it. You just don't know how to support such a reactionary law  ChangoLoa   Jul-15-11 10:18 AM   #114 
                    - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-15-11 10:37 AM   #115 
                    - and if you say the truth but the government call it a lie as the case is here??? n/t  Bacchus39   Jul-15-11 10:49 AM   #119 
                    - 2-5 years of prison says the law you support.  ChangoLoa   Jul-15-11 10:54 AM   #120 
                    - Was Chavez the one to implement that law?  sabrina 1   Jul-15-11 07:23 PM   #135 
                       - Obama doesn't have decree powers, and therefore cannot control laws. Chavez does.  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 07:33 PM   #138 
                          - Wrong, the US president absolutely has decree powers.  sabrina 1   Jul-15-11 08:16 PM   #139 
                             - That's absurdly false, executive powers are not the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 08:27 PM   #140 
                                - No, you show me where it is not. You are the one claiming he has  sabrina 1   Jul-15-11 10:41 PM   #144 
                                   - Do you know what rule by decree is? It is power to create law. There is almost no limit on the laws.  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 10:49 PM   #145 
                                   - Executive orders only apply to Federal executive agencies, not to the citizenry  Bacchus39   Jul-16-11 08:43 AM   #151 
                    - Actually  naaman fletcher   Jul-15-11 03:57 PM   #129 
                    - I'm afraid you don't know me at all.  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 07:19 PM   #134 
        - I'm with you.  MADem   Jul-15-11 02:08 AM   #96 
        - Obama lied to us. He said what he needed to say to get elected.  bitchkitty   Jul-15-11 10:48 AM   #118 
           - Oh, please. He doesn't have his eye on YOU, so you're going to take your little ball and go home.  MADem   Jul-15-11 08:53 PM   #142 
              - Don't you dare try to bully me.  bitchkitty   Jul-16-11 06:53 AM   #149 
              - Right back atcha--and I don't "do" tactics and I certainly could not be  MADem   Jul-16-11 10:37 AM   #152 
                 - Thank you!  bitchkitty   Jul-16-11 05:32 PM   #154 
              - Obama didn't lie?  KarmakazeNZ   Jul-17-11 07:10 PM   #160 
        - Fox is entitled by law to lie.  KarmakazeNZ   Jul-17-11 07:00 PM   #159 
        - VOTE--with your remote.  MADem   Jul-15-11 02:10 AM   #97 
        - Of course it bothers me, but any remedy against it would do more harm than good IMO.  totodeinhere   Jul-15-11 01:42 PM   #125 
     - Sorry for the typo. I usually spell check but I must have forgotten to. n/t  totodeinhere   Jul-15-11 01:40 PM   #124 
  - +a number that is too big to have a name  FiveGoodMen   Jul-14-11 02:47 PM   #32 
  - You mean like saying Social Security checks might not go out on Aug. 3rd? nt  kelly1mm   Jul-14-11 02:51 PM   #34 
  - You'd need to amend the constitution for that, and dramatically modify the first amendment.  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:12 PM   #64 
  - I fully support the 1st Ammendment,  bvar22   Jul-14-11 12:51 PM   #20 
  - +1  bitchkitty   Jul-14-11 01:05 PM   #21 
  - K&R #4 for, of *course*!1 n/t  UTUSN   Jul-14-11 01:30 PM   #25 
  - I wish we could do that to FOX news, every time they lie.  bahrbearian   Jul-14-11 02:51 PM   #33 
  - US progressives support such law? 2 years of prison for saying those words?  ChangoLoa   Jul-14-11 03:09 PM   #37 
  - Progressives don't support such law...  rayofreason   Jul-14-11 03:25 PM   #40 
  - The only thing the fat cats and bosses understand is naked force  sabo_tabby   Jul-14-11 03:32 PM   #41 
  - So what exactly are you advocating?  naaman fletcher   Jul-14-11 03:40 PM   #47 
  - That presumes they get the white house back...  sabo_tabby   Jul-14-11 03:59 PM   #48 
     - Sure but,  naaman fletcher   Jul-14-11 04:24 PM   #50 
        - We could put all of your 1 thru 3 in jail but that's like an Eskimo Roll....  sabo_tabby   Jul-15-11 12:40 AM   #86 
  - "Look what it took to get social justice for the Venezuelans."?  boppers   Jul-14-11 07:08 PM   #54 
  - This was a step in the right direction...  sabo_tabby   Jul-14-11 11:50 PM   #82 
     - "they rise up with one voice"...  boppers   Jul-15-11 02:45 AM   #100 
  - What social justice are you talking about? Poverty reduction is more effective in social democracy.  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:20 PM   #69 
     - Still a long way to go...  sabo_tabby   Jul-14-11 11:51 PM   #83 
        - No, they don't, studies have shown time and time again that non-populist regimes fare better.  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 01:00 AM   #89 
  - They are not progressives.  naaman fletcher   Jul-14-11 03:39 PM   #46 
  - Ministry of Truth.  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:18 PM   #68 
  - Well said. nt  MADem   Jul-15-11 02:11 AM   #98 
  - Chavez-bots and Obama-bots vs. Chavez-bashers and Obama-bashers.  pampango   Jul-14-11 05:24 PM   #51 
  - Well, I don't see too many OPs on Venezuela from 'Chavezbots'  sabrina 1   Jul-14-11 07:44 PM   #57 
  - What is anti-Latin America about pointing out Venezuela's speech laws are inadequate?  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:24 PM   #72 
  - Do a little research on our policies towards Latin America.  sabrina 1   Jul-14-11 11:56 PM   #84 
     - I am fully aware of our policies, and I don't like them any more than I like anti-speech laws.  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 12:55 AM   #87 
     - "Their laws are not our business, are they?"  naaman fletcher   Jul-15-11 08:45 AM   #105 
        - The people you are talking about...  KarmakazeNZ   Jul-17-11 07:14 PM   #161 
  - This OP specifically  naaman fletcher   Jul-15-11 08:53 AM   #109 
  - The key difference being is that some of us recognize good things Chavez has done.  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:21 PM   #70 
  - Unrec for dishonest headline  saras   Jul-14-11 08:38 PM   #58 
  - What he did was equivalent to the remarks you hear every day on TV here.  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:23 PM   #71 
  - his remarks weren't even false in the first place and the charges brought were because of his  Bacchus39   Jul-14-11 09:54 PM   #77 
  - LOL...  naaman fletcher   Jul-15-11 08:43 AM   #104 
  - Just so we're clear, this law covers all media speech, including on the internet.  joshcryer   Jul-14-11 09:31 PM   #73 
  - Is the UN's World Drug Report 2010 a credible source about Venezuelan narcotrafficking?  Zorro   Jul-14-11 10:53 PM   #80 
  - Venezuela propaganda is akin to the Ministry of Truth, this guy was arrested so that he couldn't run  joshcryer   Jul-15-11 01:01 AM   #90 
  - Whoever wrote that better stay the hell outta Venezuela!  MADem   Jul-15-11 02:17 AM   #99 
     - Zorro will be arrested if he enters Venezuela n/t  Bacchus39   Jul-15-11 07:32 AM   #103 
     - If they cut off his penis, I'm sure you will be there making up excuses.  U4ikLefty   Jul-15-11 05:35 PM   #131 
        - Whose penis? Chavez's?  MADem   Jul-15-11 08:44 PM   #141 
           - I hope  Zorro   Jul-15-11 09:18 PM   #143 
           - You must be a unicyclist...with all that backpeddaling.  U4ikLefty   Jul-16-11 12:50 AM   #146 
              - Reading is fundamental. So's comprehension. Do try it.  MADem   Jul-16-11 01:13 AM   #147 
  - It gets better: Supreme Court prelim. hearing on impeachment of Capriles (another Pres. candidate):  joshcryer   Jul-16-11 05:33 AM   #148 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-16-11 07:54 AM   #150 
  - Considering the US has made it clear that any nation harbouring terrorists will be targetted...  KarmakazeNZ   Jul-17-11 06:56 PM   #158 
     - Yeah, odds are that if FOX news had took to that level against Obama(no they haven't),  Ash_F   Jul-18-11 12:20 AM   #164 
        - Globovision is a local news channel with like 5% of the ratings...  spanza   Jul-18-11 11:16 AM   #169 

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