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Response to Reply #87
125. People are living longer with chronic, debilitating diseases
And there's significant disparity depending on the level of health care one has been able to obtain across their lifespan.
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  -Obama Offered To Raise Medicare Eligibility Age (from 65 to 67) As Part Of Grand Debt Deal kpete  Jul-11-11 03:45 PM   #0 
  - That is fucking awful. A death sentence to so many seniors.  CaliforniaPeggy   Jul-11-11 03:48 PM   #1 
  - He don't give a fuck what happens to elderly people...  Hubert Flottz   Jul-11-11 03:56 PM   #12 
  - You're right, he doesn't.  Lasher   Jul-12-11 05:14 AM   #259 
  - +1000 -- and the elderly aren't going to give a fuck for him in 2012  nashville_brook   Jul-12-11 03:26 PM   #302 
  - This action provides a neat multiplier effect: the more seniors who die prematurely  indepat   Jul-11-11 04:13 PM   #32 
  - Why not just raise it to 80 years old?  Dept of Beer   Jul-11-11 06:04 PM   #97 
  - Who is he listening to? Himself  DURHAM D   Jul-11-11 04:15 PM   #33 
  - Hope & Change  SSDA   Jul-11-11 04:50 PM   #63 
  - "Death Sentence"? WTF? just like the Death Panels?  johnaries   Jul-11-11 05:52 PM   #85 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-11 06:07 PM   #99 
  - Yes. This is a death sentence for that minority of people  JDPriestly   Jul-11-11 06:08 PM   #100 
  - When instead he should be proposing to LOWER the age to 55!  Agony   Jul-11-11 06:19 PM   #109 
  - Agree -- and Obama could do just that -- !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-11-11 07:27 PM   #171 
  - +1 nt  Deep13   Jul-11-11 06:54 PM   #150 
  - Right on  harvey007   Jul-11-11 07:45 PM   #185 
  - Not only that, lots of people over 55 are working in jobs that don't provide any medical insurance,  raccoon   Jul-12-11 07:51 AM   #283 
     - Yeah, I am one of them and I have chronic illness too. Obama sucks.  right2bfree   Jul-12-11 05:09 PM   #305 
  - Only two years?  murielm99   Jul-11-11 06:27 PM   #121 
  - +1 nt  snappyturtle   Jul-11-11 07:19 PM   #167 
  - .... Imo, simply Obama's disgusting theat to do this is enough .... !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-11-11 07:29 PM   #173 
  - I'm sure it won't take effect immediately.  N7Shepard   Jul-11-11 10:34 PM   #213 
     - So what?  murielm99   Jul-11-11 11:01 PM   #215 
     - Would you rather he get this deal done to at least save  N7Shepard   Jul-11-11 11:05 PM   #216 
     - The debt ceiling was raised seven times while Bush  murielm99   Jul-12-11 12:13 AM   #220 
     - That is one humdinger of a false dichotomy.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 02:38 AM   #229 
     - It may not be a true dichotomy, but it's not as false as you think  N7Shepard   Jul-12-11 06:56 PM   #307 
     - False dilemma. Those aren't the only 2 choices. nt  raccoon   Jul-12-11 07:52 AM   # 
     - +1  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 02:43 AM   #233 
     - I'm sure you didn't mean that to come over as selfishly as it did  tavalon   Jul-12-11 01:52 AM   #225 
     - So what? It will be just as wrong in 2016 as it would be now.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 02:34 AM   #228 
  - Look....I paid into health insurance for 45 years before it priced me out!  snappyturtle   Jul-11-11 07:15 PM   #164 
  - How old are you johnaries?  tavalon   Jul-12-11 01:49 AM   #224 
  - Very respectfully, I disagree. His or her statement stands on its own,  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 02:49 AM   #235 
     - Not really  tavalon   Jul-12-11 03:21 AM   #244 
        - IMO, the statement is naive, even if the poster were 90. I'm not sure it would be malicious if s/he  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 03:30 AM   #246 
           - Point taken  tavalon   Jul-12-11 03:40 AM   #248 
              - I guess  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 04:32 AM   #254 
  - LOL!  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 02:32 AM   #227 
  - Why doesn't he raise the celling by himself?  dotymed   Jul-11-11 05:53 PM   #86 
  - I think it is a constitutional issue that say only congress  DeadEyeDyck   Jul-11-11 07:28 PM   #172 
     - Raising the debt ceiling is not the same as raising revenues.  Matt Shapiro   Jul-11-11 10:04 PM   #208 
     - Sorry, just as Chuck Grassley was saying the 14th am. may require Rethugs to raise the debt ceiling,  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 02:46 AM   #234 
     - DeadEye, I am not sure about raising revenues, ie.., taxes,etc.  dotymed   Jul-12-11 08:01 AM   #287 
  - Keep in mind, the health care reform kicks in in 2014  bhikkhu   Jul-11-11 06:01 PM   #91 
  - I will be thrilled to be proven wrong on this question.  CaliforniaPeggy   Jul-11-11 06:05 PM   #98 
  - I'll be thrilled if I can finally get health insurance for my family  bhikkhu   Jul-11-11 06:16 PM   #107 
  - Even under the HCR bill, I think that seniors aged 65 and 66 would be better  totodeinhere   Jul-11-11 06:29 PM   #124 
  - Yep. Obama has opened the door to a very slippery slope, if I may mix metaphors.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 03:00 AM   #238 
  - Self delete. Totoinhere covered the point better.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 02:55 AM   #237 
  - Come now, 65-67 in this day and age is not that old. Also, what do you propose he do regarding  N7Shepard   Jul-11-11 10:33 PM   #212 
     - Remind us, what specific tax hikes have made it to the table from the Republican side so far?  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 03:06 AM   #240 
     - What's wrong with getting rid of the tax cuts for the rich, and ending some wars? nt  raccoon   Jul-12-11 07:55 AM   #285 
  - He can go fuck himself! eom  jannyk   Jul-11-11 03:48 PM   #2 
  - that's what liberals said to FDR...  dennis4868   Jul-11-11 03:49 PM   #3 
     - Obama is NO FDR!  DJ13   Jul-11-11 03:51 PM   #4 
     - HuffPo is going to have to do better than "five anonymous sources"  emulatorloo   Jul-11-11 03:53 PM   #7 
     - Obama loving is like  placton   Jul-11-11 04:33 PM   #43 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-11-11 05:13 PM   #75 
        - +1 --  defendandprotect   Jul-11-11 07:34 PM   #176 
        - Obama hating will believe anything, especially rumors made up by "anonymous sources".  emulatorloo   Jul-12-11 03:26 PM   #301 
     - Ah, all too obvious! Obama is not even a Clinton and I thought  emsimon33   Jul-11-11 05:06 PM   #70 
     - Clinton said he wanted Gramm Leach on his desk ASAP. GL, aka repeal of Glass Steagall,  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 03:20 AM   #243 
     - Obama is the ANTI-FDR .... !!!  defendandprotect   Jul-11-11 07:30 PM   #174 
     - well, liberals hated FDR...  dennis4868   Jul-11-11 11:46 PM   #218 
        - LOL!  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 03:21 AM   #245 
     - +1000!  im1013   Jul-11-11 10:02 PM   #207 
     - FDR took alot of crap from liberals...  dennis4868   Jul-11-11 11:44 PM   #217 
     - Baby steps? FDR? Are you kidding?  Art_from_Ark   Jul-12-11 02:29 AM   #226 
     - FDR? Baby steps? Like Obama? LOL!  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 03:41 AM   #249 
     - +1 Not even same breath eligible.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 03:13 AM   #242 
     - What FDR and LBJ gave to us, Obama may take away  neverforget   Jul-11-11 04:51 PM   #64 
     - Actually, LBJ signed Medicare into law  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 04:56 PM   #67 
        - You're correct. My bad. I changed it to include LBJ. Thanks!  neverforget   Jul-11-11 05:10 PM   #73 
        - True -- This will not end with Social Security & Medicare ....  defendandprotect   Jul-11-11 07:32 PM   #175 
        - Self delete.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 03:36 AM   # 
        - Self delete  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 03:36 AM   # 
     - Liberals did not say that to FDR. You are misinformed.  JDPriestly   Jul-11-11 06:10 PM   #102 
     - If they said it after FDR let Rethugs bully him about the deficit, liberals were right.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 03:11 AM   #241 
  - Such a move makes sense politically and financially.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 03:51 PM   #5 
  - If DOD spending were reined in, the wars stopped, the tax cuts for the rich deleted and we STILL  CurtEastPoint   Jul-11-11 03:53 PM   #8 
  - +1  sarcasmo   Jul-11-11 03:55 PM   #11 
  - Old people were already trying to decide if they should buy their  Hubert Flottz   Jul-11-11 04:01 PM   #15 
  - Is he saying he'd change the age for those already drawing SS  FLyellowdog   Jul-11-11 04:09 PM   #25 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-11-11 04:36 PM   #53 
     - Oh, fer Chrissakes.  Jackpine Radical   Jul-11-11 06:53 PM   #149 
     - Decent points.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 06:55 PM   #152 
     - Weak tactic.  U4ikLefty   Jul-11-11 10:06 PM   #209 
        - tactic? You think everyone is so disputatious they mainly consider tactics  skip fox   Jul-12-11 09:47 AM   #295 
           - Not everyone, just you.  U4ikLefty   Jul-12-11 02:26 PM   #300 
     - The Op is about the age for Medicare eligibility, not the age for collecting full old age benefits.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 05:01 AM   #256 
     - Wouldn't lose any money?  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 04:38 AM   #255 
  - WHY are they ignoring us on this?  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 04:02 PM   #16 
  - WHY are they ignoring us on this?  The Green Manalishi   Jul-11-11 05:23 PM   #78 
  - Because they believe that when all is said and done progressives will have nowhere else to go.  totodeinhere   Jul-11-11 06:35 PM   #132 
  - I am just sick over this.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 06:59 PM   #156 
  - "They know the Left has nowhere else to go." A quote from many Democratic  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 05:05 AM   #257 
     - Maybe we should start working right now for a bona fide progressive  totodeinhere   Jul-12-11 02:07 PM   #299 
  - Good points all. a columnist for Huffington claimed if we simply  skip fox   Jul-11-11 04:02 PM   #17 
  - I know a boatload of construction workers in their mid 50s  Mojorabbit   Jul-11-11 04:23 PM   #38 
  - Most retirements are not "planned." They just happen. Health  JDPriestly   Jul-11-11 06:12 PM   #103 
  - Point taken.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 06:23 PM   #113 
  - OP is about medicare. From the wiki on "retirement:"  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 05:14 AM   #258 
  - Yep, damn right! Nt  krabigirl   Jul-11-11 04:33 PM   #46 
  - Mostly I agree but I think you might be wrong about deleting the tax cuts  cstanleytech   Jul-11-11 04:34 PM   #49 
  - It's both.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 05:18 AM   #260 
  - Y E S!!!!!!  emsimon33   Jul-11-11 05:12 PM   #74 
  - Agreed. At least for a percentage of them. (My son is wealthy and  skip fox   Jul-11-11 06:31 PM   #126 
     - Those people CAN voluntarily forego benefits. Few of them do, however.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 05:20 AM   #261 
     - Actually many of them  emsimon33   Jul-12-11 01:54 PM   #298 
  - + 2 n/t  ejbr   Jul-11-11 05:57 PM   #89 
  - Sure, if you are a Republican.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 04:01 PM   #14 
  - + 1 to infinity.  Pooka Fey   Jul-11-11 04:05 PM   #24 
  - My answer too -if anything, it should be lowered.  canoeist52   Jul-11-11 04:10 PM   #28 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-11 04:10 PM   #27 
  - Just as one should never argue with the facts, it is folly to argue without them.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 04:25 PM   #39 
     - The working stiff is not living longer, the people that do manual labor are not living longer.  bahrbearian   Jul-11-11 05:50 PM   #82 
     - Okay. I understand. Probaly hard to find data on, but it's a good point.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 06:26 PM   #119 
     - Let us also not ignore the fact that these increases in longevity  Jackpine Radical   Jul-11-11 06:58 PM   #154 
     - Agreed.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 07:03 PM   #158 
        - Pragmatic?Puhleeze..What this excuse for a president even  neoralme   Jul-11-11 07:38 PM   #180 
        - The entire world is agreed then.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 07:39 PM   #181 
           - I care not what the world agrees to. I am a Democrat of 45 years. I  neoralme   Jul-11-11 08:43 PM   #195 
              - was making a joke based on your intemperance. "People smater than I am"  skip fox   Jul-11-11 09:17 PM   #203 
        - All positions are open to disagreement or supplementation. Sad you see it as attack.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 05:38 AM   #263 
     - Your figures are outdated. Also, they do not tell the whole story.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 05:32 AM   #262 
  - oddly, most other industrial nations disagree with that assessment...  mike_c   Jul-11-11 04:11 PM   #29 
  - Thanks for the reminder. You are so right.  JDPriestly   Jul-11-11 06:14 PM   #104 
  - True, if you have an (R) by your name.  Bluebear   Jul-11-11 04:17 PM   #35 
  - No R has ever come close to mine.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 04:27 PM   #41 
     - You've never said you're a Democrat, though.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 07:09 AM   #276 
  - No it doesn't ...  aggiesal   Jul-11-11 04:31 PM   #42 
  - many in their fifties "are between a rock and a hard place"  newspeak   Jul-12-11 11:21 AM   #296 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-11-11 04:34 PM   #48 
  - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-11-11 04:35 PM   #50 
  - What makes more sense and is fiscally more sensible is  emsimon33   Jul-11-11 05:07 PM   #71 
  - Absolutely!!!!!!  skip fox   Jul-11-11 06:33 PM   #128 
  - An even better solution is to tax the rich and corporations  emsimon33   Jul-11-11 05:10 PM   #72 
  - Yes. I agree. But probably not politically viable at this time.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 06:28 PM   #123 
     - why, since 80% or more of Americans favor exactly that?  Doctor_J   Jul-11-11 09:00 PM   #199 
     - Great question. Seriously.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 09:03 PM   #201 
        - Playing with fire taking on the oligarchy?  tavalon   Jul-12-11 02:39 AM   #231 
        - The party and the president are dead on their feet anyway  Doctor_J   Jul-12-11 08:26 AM   #294 
     - Who decides what is politically viable at this time?  tavalon   Jul-12-11 02:38 AM   #230 
     - Only harming the most vulnerable is politically viable at this time?  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 05:44 AM   #264 
  - What??????  zalinda   Jul-11-11 05:14 PM   #76 
  - True.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 05:23 PM   #77 
     - So you are for job-description testing?  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 06:28 PM   #122 
        - Agreed. I have no plan, but those who make them might create decent ones.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 06:34 PM   #130 
  - Longevity rates? Life expectancy for black American men is 70.9  Bluenorthwest   Jul-11-11 05:54 PM   #87 
  - People are living longer with chronic, debilitating diseases  Divernan   Jul-11-11 06:29 PM   #125 
     - Both points well taken.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 06:43 PM   #140 
  - No, it doesn't, unless he just wants the Republicans to win in '12  AllyCat   Jul-11-11 06:03 PM   #93 
  - Um, no, they won't  tavalon   Jul-12-11 02:42 AM   #232 
  - And so many people in that age range have such a fucking easy time finding a job  HERVEPA   Jul-11-11 06:20 PM   #110 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-11 06:22 PM   #112 
  - Thank you.  Blue_In_AK   Jul-11-11 06:32 PM   #127 
  - I've actually been in jail twice for my convictions. Liberal ones!  skip fox   Jul-11-11 06:46 PM   #143 
     - I'm not the one who called you a fucking idiot.  Blue_In_AK   Jul-11-11 07:14 PM   #163 
     - As an old man, I'm not good on computers. I was responding to  skip fox   Jul-11-11 07:42 PM   #183 
     - Besides the hilarious nature of trying to use an argument to authority in an anonymous forum...  liberation   Jul-11-11 07:22 PM   #168 
     - Shoot the messanger.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 07:45 PM   #186 
     - Who's shooting anyone? I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy  liberation   Jul-11-11 07:53 PM   #188 
     - If pointing out unthinking activity for what it is parallels classifying people  skip fox   Jul-11-11 08:27 PM   #191 
     - Civil rights?  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 07:39 AM   #281 
  - Check out the link which I gave. IUt did life expectancy for those already 65.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 06:41 PM   #137 
  - I always thought Tom Tomorrow was a satirist  liberation   Jul-11-11 07:15 PM   #165 
  - Nice.  skip fox   Jul-11-11 07:47 PM   #187 
  - I wish I could rec this post.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 08:34 PM   #194 
  - LOL!  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 05:51 AM   #265 
  - It does not make sense financially...  CoffeeCat   Jul-11-11 10:01 PM   #206 
  - It makes neither political nor financial sense. Alao, the thread is about raising the Medfcare  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 03:58 AM   #250 
  - 5 -Anonymous- sources? Color me very unimpressed.with the claims of this article  emulatorloo   Jul-11-11 03:52 PM   #6 
  - How come Obama doesn't tell us what he put on the table? Is he scared too.  bahrbearian   Jul-11-11 05:52 PM   #84 
  - Let's never give any credence to any news story using anonymous sources.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 04:02 AM   #251 
     - I need at least one source on the record. Sorry,  emulatorloo   Jul-12-11 03:29 PM   #304 
  - Screwing the seniors over and over again, what a sick country we live in.  sarcasmo   Jul-11-11 03:54 PM   #9 
  - I'm not surprised. As a 63 year-old, I feel left out.  robcon   Jul-11-11 03:55 PM   #10 
  - If true..  girl gone mad   Jul-11-11 04:01 PM   #13 
  - It would make sense to adjust SS/medicare every now and then automatically  WatsonT   Jul-11-11 04:02 PM   #18 
  - Anything in there about stopping the massive for profit insurance cabal?  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 04:04 PM   #23 
  - That's what I'm talking about!  CoffeeCat   Jul-11-11 10:15 PM   #210 
  - Separate issue  WatsonT   Jul-12-11 08:02 AM   #289 
  - Then I want Assisted Suicide  femrap   Jul-11-11 04:17 PM   #34 
  - Catch 22. Not covered until age 67.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 05:53 AM   #266 
  - How about assisted suicide for anyone of sound mind that desires it?  WatsonT   Jul-12-11 08:02 AM   #290 
     - Me neither....  femrap   Jul-12-11 12:32 PM   #297 
        - "like we do with our pets"  WatsonT   Jul-13-11 08:23 AM   #310 
           - I think it has to do w/  femrap   Jul-13-11 01:20 PM   #312 
  - Especially if they are "saved" with "reforms"...  spedtr90   Jul-11-11 06:42 PM   #138 
  - NO it wouldn't because life expectancies are changing in BOTH directions  eridani   Jul-12-11 12:41 AM   #221 
  - That's not really true  WatsonT   Jul-12-11 08:04 AM   #291 
     - Of course it's true  eridani   Jul-12-11 09:31 PM   #308 
        - So the average life expectancy is still on the rise  WatsonT   Jul-13-11 08:21 AM   #309 
  - No, medicare for all and a government that keeps its word to its citizens/taxpayers make sense.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 04:03 AM   #252 
  - how many would die as a result of this?  mike_c   Jul-11-11 04:03 PM   #19 
  - this is the human toll  marions ghost   Jul-11-11 04:26 PM   #40 
  - "would be implemented down the road (likely in 2013)"  SoapBox   Jul-11-11 04:03 PM   #20 
  - You have that exactly right.  murielm99   Jul-11-11 06:35 PM   #131 
  - I don't fucking think so!  Pooka Fey   Jul-11-11 04:03 PM   #21 
  - my friend is 66. her husband is 63 and has pre-existing  DesertFlower   Jul-11-11 04:04 PM   #22 
  - Has anyone heard that Obama's plan to possibly raise the retirement age would go into effect soon?  skip fox   Jul-11-11 04:09 PM   #26 
  - Not so and please see the replies to Post #223.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 04:13 AM   #253 
  - It would have been a death sentence for me.  Cleita   Jul-11-11 04:12 PM   #30 
  - the trouble with Presidents...  awoke_in_2003   Jul-11-11 04:44 PM   #61 
  - Please write the Whitehouse, Cleita  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 06:36 PM   #134 
  - I will but I don't think it will get to the President.  Cleita   Jul-11-11 06:52 PM   #146 
  - Obama knows about negotiating with insurance companies  julian09   Jul-11-11 07:03 PM   #157 
     - Well, then don't mess with it if you want to keep it  Cleita   Jul-11-11 08:31 PM   #192 
     - First, his mother had private insurance, which had little to do with this thread  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 06:00 AM   #267 
  - How downhill he has gone from coming into the national spotlight in 2004,  alp227   Jul-11-11 04:13 PM   #31 
  - I like Joe  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 04:22 PM   #36 
  - Why not raise the cap instead??  Dappleganger   Jul-11-11 04:23 PM   #37 
  - Ding ding ding!  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 04:33 PM   #45 
  - There is no cap for Medicare.  DURHAM D   Jul-11-11 04:34 PM   #47 
  - Are you certain on that?  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 04:35 PM   #52 
  - No - Medicare is taken on all wages.  DURHAM D   Jul-11-11 04:36 PM   #54 
     - Thank you for the correction. I will revise to 'up the damn % we pay' then, then.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 04:39 PM   #55 
     - The Medicare deduction is too low IMO.  DURHAM D   Jul-11-11 04:46 PM   #62 
        - If only the Chamber of Commerce had your integrity  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 04:52 PM   #66 
     - It would be nice if capital gains were subject to medicare though.  N7Shepard   Jul-11-11 10:36 PM   #214 
     - You're right, actually, but I, and others(I think), we're talking about the cap on SS  tavalon   Jul-12-11 03:01 AM   #239 
  - The proceeds from raising the salary cap do not have to go to OASDI alone.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 06:09 AM   #268 
  - He's pitching for his own team  _ed_   Jul-11-11 06:23 PM   #115 
  - How is it that such an obvious idea hasn't occurred to them?  tavalon   Jul-12-11 02:53 AM   #236 
  - If true, its over. Bye Bye  OwnedByFerrets   Jul-11-11 04:33 PM   #44 
  - Another hand out to the scumbag insurance companies  naaman fletcher   Jul-11-11 04:35 PM   #51 
  - just saying....my full SS was delayed until I was 66....I took it  Gin   Jul-11-11 04:41 PM   #56 
     - The only acceptable option is full gov't health care. Nt  naaman fletcher   Jul-11-11 04:43 PM   #59 
     - The OP is not about the age at which you collect full "old age" benefits.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 06:15 AM   #269 
  - WTF  CreekDog   Jul-11-11 04:42 PM   #57 
  - Locking  CreekDog   Jul-11-11 04:42 PM   #58 
  - Got that right. The story we should be hearing is about how  harun   Jul-11-11 05:49 PM   #81 
  - Good point  MissDeeds   Jul-11-11 05:59 PM   #90 
     - IOKIODI  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 06:26 AM   #270 
  - Why don't they just send euthanasia pills to seniors?  Vinca   Jul-11-11 04:43 PM   #60 
  - They wouldn't be covered.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 06:39 AM   #272 
  - In 2013? LOL.. just AFTER the next election.  bvar22   Jul-11-11 04:51 PM   #65 
  - 2013?! That gives people a lot of time to plan!  high density   Jul-11-11 05:04 PM   #68 
  - A national health care plan that removes insurance companies  emsimon33   Jul-11-11 05:04 PM   #69 
  - I say NO!  Dyedinthewoolliberal   Jul-11-11 05:34 PM   #79 
  - Fuck Me!  harun   Jul-11-11 05:48 PM   #80 
  - History books would reflect that Reagan did more for SSI than Obama.  jtuck004   Jul-11-11 05:51 PM   #83 
  - That is a powerful statement right there.  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 06:38 PM   #136 
     - IMO, Obama is to the right of Reagan--and he did rank Reagan as one of his  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 06:45 AM   #273 
  - Fuck him, I'm done. We need a 3rd party NOW. He doesn't deserve another term.  williesgirl   Jul-11-11 05:57 PM   #88 
  - I think this may be the first time I've felt compelled to say this:  AllyCat   Jul-11-11 06:02 PM   #92 
  - Why did Obama choose to run as/label himself a Democrat in the 1st place?  Divernan   Jul-11-11 06:23 PM   #114 
     - Definitely a "false flag" Democrat.  NCarolinawoman   Jul-11-11 06:58 PM   #155 
  - Ridiculous.  JDPriestly   Jul-11-11 06:04 PM   #94 
  - Presidents Govern with Congress  mckara   Jul-11-11 06:04 PM   #95 
  - Yeah, and how well did the insurance-company-written "healthcare plan"  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 06:43 PM   #139 
  - Democrats GAVE Obama a Democratic Senate and House in 2008  harvey007   Jul-11-11 08:00 PM   #189 
  - I Remember  mckara   Jul-11-11 11:55 PM   #219 
     - As to health care reform, corporate power found its way into the WH  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 07:12 AM   #277 
  - Yet, he did not allow Democrats in Congress to negotiate the  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 06:34 AM   #271 
  - Really???? What About 2008? WTF  we can do it   Jul-12-11 07:57 AM   #286 
  - I'd like to see how this meshes with the health care reform bill, in 2014  bhikkhu   Jul-11-11 06:04 PM   #96 
  - Whelp looks like dad won't be able to retire.  TNLib   Jul-11-11 06:09 PM   #101 
  - No worries - they will kick this can down the road and set it to implement in 2017  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 06:44 PM   #141 
  - Well ...there's a death panel for ya. Thanks a lot Caveman.  L0oniX   Jul-11-11 06:15 PM   #105 
  - Well that would fuck me over pretty good  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-11-11 06:15 PM   #106 
  - Here is some good reading that is starting to look pertinent to today's situation.  Yavapai   Jul-11-11 06:17 PM   #108 
  - I would've expected this from a Republican President n/t  OhioChick   Jul-11-11 06:21 PM   #111 
  - This is disgusting. If this wasn't enough for them then they flat out want to cripple the country  craigmatic   Jul-11-11 06:23 PM   #116 
  - I go on Medicare in a couple of months.  Blue_In_AK   Jul-11-11 06:24 PM   #117 
  - That wouldn't be politically expedient  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 06:47 PM   #144 
     - That's what they're counting on, I'm sure.  Blue_In_AK   Jul-11-11 07:10 PM   #160 
  - HELL NO !!!!  Maineman   Jul-11-11 06:26 PM   #118 
  - This reminds me of the TARP negotiations.... we all know how that ended.  lib2DaBone   Jul-11-11 06:26 PM   #120 
  - Not all change is positive  FlyByNight   Jul-11-11 06:34 PM   #129 
  - Right now, it is a trial balloon being floated by the admin just in time for the 6:00 news  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 06:53 PM   #148 
     - Republicans really want to kill it for a voucher system  julian09   Jul-11-11 07:16 PM   #166 
  - reminds me of a time  suzanner   Jul-11-11 06:35 PM   #133 
  - Judging by the song, the Germans were remarkably outspoken about such things.  raccoon   Jul-12-11 08:15 AM   #293 
  - WTF... WTF..... WTF.....  humbled_opinion   Jul-11-11 06:38 PM   #135 
  - Consider the costs of insurance under a mandated system (2014) to someone aged 65/66 nt  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 06:55 PM   #151 
  - They are hoping we're all dead before we qualify...our life expectancy is less  NC_Nurse   Jul-11-11 06:44 PM   #142 
  - My husband is just biding time until he has Medicare to get a colonoscopy.  Justitia   Jul-11-11 06:49 PM   #145 
  - Justitia, I implore you - write the whitehouse and tell them this  Ruby the Liberal   Jul-11-11 06:57 PM   #153 
  - This is an artificial crisis manufactured by the House Rs.  Deep13   Jul-11-11 06:53 PM   #147 
  - working and fighting chronic illness. Now he wants to raise the age limit?  right2bfree   Jul-11-11 07:08 PM   #159 
  - No, this is not the hope and changed that I voted for!  DollyM   Jul-11-11 07:10 PM   #161 
  - Never worthless to vote, but worse than worthless to refrain from voting.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 06:59 AM   #274 
  - Never worthless to vote, but worse than worthless to refrain from voting.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 06:59 AM   #275 
  - stick a fork in him  larwdem   Jul-11-11 07:14 PM   #162 
  - Disgusting, Obama!! Just what this suffering nation needs .. even less health care -- !!!!  defendandprotect   Jul-11-11 07:25 PM   #169 
  - WTF (n/t)  marasinghe   Jul-11-11 07:26 PM   #170 
  - He is truly a great Republican President. n/t  man4allcats   Jul-11-11 07:35 PM   #177 
  - So, let me see if I have this correct  HatTrick   Jul-11-11 07:36 PM   #178 
  - OP is about raising the age for Medicare eligibility, not OASDI eligibility.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 07:33 AM   #280 
  - More chess. And we, the pawns, get sacrificed. nt  paparush   Jul-11-11 07:37 PM   #179 
  - Barack Obama IS NOT OUR FRIEND  harvey007   Jul-11-11 07:42 PM   #182 
  - Exactly. And anyone who doesn't see that now is an idiot!  neoralme   Jul-11-11 09:44 PM   #205 
  - precisely  nashville_brook   Jul-12-11 03:28 PM   #303 
  - Retirement was kicked to 67 already; for those who retire at 65 it's 2 year wait for Medicare now.  freshwest   Jul-11-11 07:43 PM   #184 
  - Wrong - Medicare is 65 for all - SS is 67  ILFightinDem   Jul-11-11 08:32 PM   #193 
  - I read it on another post here on DU. It was in a detailed reply. It was part of how he ended...  freshwest   Jul-11-11 09:13 PM   #202 
     - Not sure what you are trying to say but 65 is the Medicare age for everyone -  DURHAM D   Jul-11-11 09:28 PM   #204 
        - If people will have to wait until 67 to get SS, they will get Medicare at 65?  freshwest   Jul-11-11 10:24 PM   #211 
           - Yes. You may have waited if you applied for disability.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 07:42 AM   #282 
  - You're mistaken about the facts.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 07:14 AM   #278 
  - You guys are way too hard on the prez  Jim_Shorts   Jul-11-11 08:13 PM   #190 
  - Having it "way too good for way too long"-- like Lucky Ducky  Art_from_Ark   Jul-12-11 03:36 AM   #247 
  - LOL! When PUMAs and Rethugs used to say that Obama had never run anything,  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 07:19 AM   #279 
  - Bring in revenue you fucking imbeciles!!!!  Initech   Jul-11-11 08:46 PM   #196 
  - Raising the age counts as one of my third rails.  plumbob   Jul-11-11 08:49 PM   #197 
  - Appease, appease, appease  Doctor_J   Jul-11-11 08:58 PM   #198 
  - "...was willing to tackle some sacred cows as part of a larger package ..."  unkachuck   Jul-11-11 09:00 PM   #200 
  - LOL...it doesn't matter what Obama offers...  oNobodyo   Jul-12-11 01:30 AM   #222 
  - Don't bet on it. It ain't over til it's over. As far as Obama handing Rethugs a rope  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 08:02 AM   #288 
  - This helps people get medical coverage how?  tavalon   Jul-12-11 01:47 AM   #223 
  - Social Security doesn't affect the debt. Why is it on the table?  jtrockville   Jul-12-11 07:52 AM   #284 
  - "Grand Debt Deal?" As in Great Depression and jumbo shrimp?  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 08:05 AM   #292 
  - This sucks big time!! WTF is wrong with him??  Cass   Jul-12-11 05:27 PM   #306 
  - Vile. And unnecessary.  somone   Jul-13-11 09:11 AM   #311 
  - I will not let this leave the main page. Politicians continue to screw us like our lives  sarcasmo   Jul-13-11 02:26 PM   #313 
 

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