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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-11 05:49 PM
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96. And this isn't the case in the enlightened
"They charge outrageous fees BECAUSE. THEY. FUCKING. CAN. and as long as the government continues to subsidize that bullshit, healthcare and education will remain unaffordable.."

And this isn't the case in the enlightened (health-wise) Western European counties because...? :shrug:
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  -Why do Americans die younger than Britons (and citizens from 36 other countries)? Turborama  Jul-10-11 10:43 PM   #0 
  - Junk food and stress, probably.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-10-11 10:44 PM   #1 
  - diabetes and poor lifestyle choices  roomfullofmirrors   Jul-11-11 02:12 AM   #22 
     - No, lack of access to health care  me b zola   Jul-11-11 03:09 AM   #25 
     - I have worked in the healthcare system long enough to be well ahead of the curve.  roomfullofmirrors   Jul-11-11 03:39 AM   #27 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-11 05:06 AM   #30 
        - ah yes... of course... all deaths are self-inflicted  fascisthunter   Jul-11-11 12:04 PM   #46 
        - In Africa, maybe not so much; however, in America, to a large extent, yes.  roomfullofmirrors   Jul-11-11 06:32 PM   #61 
        - Millions of dollars?  izquierdista   Jul-11-11 03:17 PM   #55 
        - Even in the U.S., a man young enough to be a gang banger  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 08:51 AM   #71 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-11 04:52 PM   #58 
        - And I've seen a very good thirty year old man die of having to choose  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 08:41 AM   #70 
        - My wife is an RN  TexDevilDog   Jul-12-11 10:05 AM   #80 
        - Germans  SOS   Jul-12-11 11:22 AM   #91 
     - Americans who manage to reach age 65 do fine on life expectancy compared to other nations;  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 09:56 AM   #77 
  - Health care that you can't afford so you put off preventitive appointments, and rotten eldercare.  Brickbat   Jul-10-11 10:44 PM   #2 
  - The joys of living in a rabidly RW society are bearing fruit and our government is now in process of  indepat   Jul-11-11 12:00 PM   #45 
  - My guess is they have better health care.  lob1   Jul-10-11 10:45 PM   #3 
  - and yet the Repuglickms (representing Big Corporate Money  ShockediSay   Jul-10-11 11:42 PM   #13 
  - Here's a thought ...  BattyDem   Jul-10-11 10:45 PM   #4 
  - as if its a great mystery.  provis99   Jul-10-11 10:46 PM   #5 
  - The BBC posited a question in their headline  Turborama   Jul-10-11 10:51 PM   #6 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-10-11 11:04 PM   #9 
  - "they answered their own fucking question!" was your point...  Turborama   Jul-11-11 01:11 AM   #19 
  - Nah.  Igel   Jul-11-11 01:50 PM   #50 
  - Or, an OP could post different "snippets."  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 10:05 AM   #79 
  - Well...  Spider Jerusalem   Jul-11-11 12:08 AM   #18 
  - The article also refers to access to health care. See Reply 10 for the quote..  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 09:58 AM   #78 
  - Amazing how often studies tend to find exactly what they were looking for.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 10:10 AM   #82 
  - K & R! I can think of plenty of reasons why we trail behind...  Sarah Ibarruri   Jul-10-11 10:53 PM   #7 
  - +1  hamsterjill   Jul-11-11 03:06 PM   #53 
  - Lack of Health care is an economic issued, I would say.  OHdem10   Jul-10-11 11:00 PM   #8 
  - Best health care system in the world...  hay rick   Jul-10-11 11:16 PM   #10 
  - To translate:  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-10-11 11:23 PM   #11 
  - More accurate portrayal:  Igel   Jul-11-11 01:52 PM   #51 
     - How do you know your interpretation is more accurate than the one  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 09:37 AM   #75 
  - "So it's not the medical system itself that is the problem but access to it,"  woo me with science   Jul-10-11 11:56 PM   #16 
  - People over 65 have socialized medicine in the US, though  NewJeffCT   Jul-11-11 05:23 AM   #37 
  - At 65 They Get Medicare  AndyTiedye   Jul-11-11 10:05 PM   #63 
  - Because we're worked to death. With few vacations...  EC   Jul-10-11 11:40 PM   #12 
  - Cf. this:  snot   Jul-10-11 11:43 PM   #14 
  - It's also interesting how rarely we go to the doctor compared to other  Tunkamerica   Jul-10-11 11:55 PM   #15 
  - or being healthy .nt  laser_red   Jul-11-11 01:39 AM   #21 
  - Yeah because that's what the graph implies.  Tunkamerica   Jul-12-11 02:33 AM   #64 
  - Health of Americans under 65 compares unfavorably with nations that have universal health care.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 10:24 AM   #85 
  - As well as...  onyourleft   Jul-11-11 05:43 AM   #41 
  - Agree, but please see Reply 77,  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 10:50 AM   #89 
  - Obesity .nt  laser_red   Jul-10-11 11:57 PM   #17 
  - ...and smoking.  bhikkhu   Jul-11-11 05:21 AM   #35 
  - Issues of affordable access.  chill_wind   Jul-11-11 01:23 AM   #20 
  - I don't think so. the access is there. you can't be denied.  roomfullofmirrors   Jul-11-11 02:25 AM   #23 
     - The key word is affordable. If you are a health care giver,  chill_wind   Jul-11-11 02:39 AM   #24 
     - I'll tell you why I think healthcare is unaffordable.  roomfullofmirrors   Jul-11-11 03:29 AM   #26 
        - LMAO!  Enthusiast   Jul-11-11 05:13 AM   #33 
        - Oh yes! The hallowed free market. The one thing that solves everything.  bulloney   Jul-11-11 05:36 AM   #40 
        - The "Free Market" is a Myth  fascisthunter   Jul-11-11 12:05 PM   #47 
        - Which is what you expect of a Republican pro-insurance company plan.  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-11-11 03:17 PM   #54 
        - Someone's been watching Fox news  Oxy Contin   Jul-12-11 11:30 AM   #93 
        - And this isn't the case in the enlightened  LanternWaste   Jul-12-11 05:49 PM   #96 
     - "you can't be denied." Right wing talking points alert.  Enthusiast   Jul-11-11 05:09 AM   #32 
     - Sigh...  Dems2002   Jul-11-11 05:29 AM   #38 
     - +1  VLC98   Jul-11-11 09:33 AM   #44 
     - saved me the typing of my answer +1  w0nderer   Jul-12-11 07:50 AM   #69 
     - +1 A post that says we need a better way to recommend posts.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 10:43 AM   #86 
     - Emergency rooms cannot deny access. That is not always the reason for death  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 09:42 AM   #76 
     - the critical flaw in your argument.  LanternWaste   Jul-12-11 05:48 PM   #95 
  - Because we have universal healthcare, that simple  Prophet 451   Jul-11-11 04:04 AM   #28 
  - It isn't quite that simple  dipsydoodle   Jul-11-11 05:08 AM   #31 
  - I DO know what the figures are  Prophet 451   Jul-12-11 03:54 AM   #65 
  - We also have a segment of the population that pays out of pocket.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 10:19 AM   #84 
     - Absolutely  Prophet 451   Jul-13-11 04:40 AM   #98 
  - Those who pay here also cover those who are unable to.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 10:14 AM   #83 
     - I have a theory on that one  Prophet 451   Jul-13-11 04:39 AM   #97 
  - Triage by wallet - EXCELLENT phrase.  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-11-11 03:18 PM   #56 
     - Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)  roomfullofmirrors   Jul-11-11 06:34 PM   #62 
     - Yeah, and the 40% difference in mortality just from being uninsured...  Prophet 451   Jul-12-11 03:58 AM   #67 
     - Please do  Prophet 451   Jul-12-11 03:56 AM   #66 
        - You reply is another quotable gem. And you post facts, too. Facts with a liberal bias.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 10:47 AM   #87 
           - Nice to meet you too :) n/t  Prophet 451   Jul-13-11 04:45 AM   #99 
  - We have a more diverse population than any other country.  Long Shadow   Jul-11-11 04:38 AM   #29 
  - No, we have poor and expensive access.  Enthusiast   Jul-11-11 05:15 AM   #34 
     - Are you suggesting that heredity has nothing to do with one's longevity?  Long Shadow   Jul-11-11 04:14 PM   #57 
        - No, I don't believe in heredity at all.  Enthusiast   Jul-11-11 05:47 PM   #59 
        - LOL!  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 10:49 AM   #88 
        - People who were fat until old age and beyond are often thin by age 90 to 100.  No Elephants   Jul-12-11 10:57 AM   #90 
  - My mother is 90  ngant17   Jul-11-11 05:22 AM   #36 
  - We eat crap and can't afford to get medical help when we suffer the consequences  DFW   Jul-11-11 05:34 AM   #39 
  - Compare the average waist line of a US citizen vs the others...  Township75   Jul-11-11 07:23 AM   #42 
  - People in other western countries are fat, drink, smoke, and are lazy  N7Shepard   Jul-11-11 12:09 PM   #48 
     - Only over-18s  Prophet 451   Jul-12-11 04:01 AM   #68 
  - Because those countries don't have slavery.  harun   Jul-11-11 09:32 AM   #43 
  - +++100 /nt  Bragi   Jul-12-11 08:55 AM   #72 
  - Obesity is a huge part of the equation  WatsonT   Jul-11-11 01:43 PM   #49 
  - Agreed!!  Islandlife   Jul-11-11 02:22 PM   #52 
     - Michelle Obama is on the right track  Islandlife   Jul-12-11 11:24 AM   #92 
  - crappy food  Amaya   Jul-11-11 06:10 PM   #60 
  - Answer: social and economic inequality is higher in the U.S  Bragi   Jul-12-11 09:03 AM   #73 
  - No brainer. Social democracies work. They're not for everyone, obviously, or we'd be outta this mess  freshwest   Jul-12-11 09:18 AM   #74 
  - K&R  avaistheone1   Jul-12-11 10:08 AM   #81 
  - Lack of good healthcare for many? More social inequality, resulting in poor nutrition, etc.?  LeftishBrit   Jul-12-11 05:30 PM   #94 
 

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