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Tue Jun-28-11 10:06 AM
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| 4. I don't know why they're called austerity. They need to be called robbery. |
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Robbery from the lower income to the higher income levels.
Good for the people in Athens. I hope no one is killed, but I do hope they have some impact.
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| -Athens in chaos as new cuts debated |
Bragi |
Jun-28-11 09:10 AM |
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Exact details of the proposed austrity measures are here |
dipsydoodle |
Jun-28-11 09:55 AM |
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Yep, bankers and bond holders are the big winners /nt |
Bragi |
Jun-28-11 10:02 AM |
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there was a time when democratic policiticians were against such austerity and corporate rip offs nt |
msongs |
Jun-28-11 09:57 AM |
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True, but FDR has been gone for a long time /nt |
Bragi |
Jun-28-11 10:22 AM |
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FDR not the last Democrat to espouse those views. However, the number sure has dwindled. |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 09:18 AM |
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I don't know why they're called austerity. They need to be called robbery. |
plumbob |
Jun-28-11 10:06 AM |
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this is the same policy that Reagan did to Central & South America.........it's |
StarsInHerHair |
Jun-28-11 06:59 PM |
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Austerity, robbery, avoiding global economic collapse, Wall Street bailout. |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 09:20 AM |
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Don't have a whole lot of sympathy for the greeks |
WatsonT |
Jun-28-11 10:09 AM |
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Sure, the bankers and the billionaires are victims |
Bragi |
Jun-28-11 10:12 AM |
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Look in to it |
WatsonT |
Jun-28-11 02:39 PM |
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Your article makes my point! |
Bragi |
Jun-28-11 03:00 PM |
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It seemed to be most everyone |
WatsonT |
Jun-28-11 03:06 PM |
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Some do; some don't. |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 09:28 AM |
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yeah, so all Greeks |
newspeak |
Jul-01-11 11:49 AM |
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Look into U.S. tax evasion, esp. underreported and unreported income. |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 09:35 AM |
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It exists, what's your point? |
WatsonT |
Jun-29-11 10:07 AM |
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Our own government says we do very well at it. |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 10:10 AM |
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ignore the W |
StarsInHerHair |
Jun-28-11 06:56 PM |
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What fun would that be? |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 09:29 AM |
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well........ |
StarsInHerHair |
Jun-30-11 06:53 PM |
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Just remember that cavalier attitude when your neck is on the block. nt |
bemildred |
Jun-28-11 10:16 AM |
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I don't lie about my income |
WatsonT |
Jun-28-11 02:39 PM |
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Yes, but that will not get the bridge you drive over most often repaired or rebuilt. |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 09:50 AM |
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We're talking about greece here |
WatsonT |
Jun-29-11 10:08 AM |
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No, in the post to which I responded, you were talking about yourself. |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 10:16 AM |
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We are not infamous for not paying our taxes |
WatsonT |
Jun-29-11 11:12 AM |
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Actually that is not true |
Harmony Blue |
Jun-28-11 10:30 AM |
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Tax evasion at all levels more likely |
dipsydoodle |
Jun-28-11 11:08 AM |
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It isn't all levels though |
Harmony Blue |
Jun-28-11 12:38 PM |
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Those whose taxes are deducted from their pay don't and can't cheat! |
JDPriestly |
Jun-28-11 01:21 PM |
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Actually it is |
WatsonT |
Jun-28-11 02:41 PM |
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Actually, it isn't. Your source says it was a "significant" reason for the collapse, not the sole |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 09:53 AM |
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Think about what you're saying for a moment |
WatsonT |
Jun-29-11 10:09 AM |
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Inasmuch as I never said anything like that, I'll let the straw man think about it. |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 10:19 AM |
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So not paying taxes does cause financial woes for a nation? |
WatsonT |
Jun-29-11 11:11 AM |
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What led to the most recent global economic crisis was fraud at every level of |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 09:33 AM |
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As if the U.S. were all that different. |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 09:24 AM |
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The EU is playing hardball: No austerity measures; no bailout. |
FLPanhandle |
Jun-28-11 10:27 AM |
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Wrong... |
Imajika |
Jun-28-11 10:34 AM |
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Maybe. |
FLPanhandle |
Jun-28-11 10:46 AM |
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Nah, the outcome is not really in doubt... |
Imajika |
Jun-28-11 10:53 AM |
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I agree the markets are the best indicators |
FLPanhandle |
Jun-28-11 11:06 AM |
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On this we fully agree... |
Imajika |
Jun-28-11 11:15 AM |
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Greek "socialist" party ....??? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-28-11 11:33 AM |
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What is your confusion? |
Imajika |
Jun-28-11 11:50 AM |
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And the "socialists" are pushing austerity? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-28-11 04:01 PM |
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Yes, the socialists are pushing austerity... |
Imajika |
Jun-28-11 05:29 PM |
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SINOs dnp SINOs........... |
socialist_n_TN |
Jun-28-11 06:37 PM |
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Thank you -- !!! And I was obviously asking because I am not that familiar |
defendandprotect |
Jun-28-11 09:36 PM |
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I doubt this thread will help you become familiar. It abounds with "truthiness." |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 09:47 AM |
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Obviously, I need to .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-30-11 12:29 AM |
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One can always say a socialist party isn't socialist enough... |
Imajika |
Jun-29-11 09:08 AM |
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Anybody who calls themself a "socialist" and |
socialist_n_TN |
Jun-29-11 09:28 AM |
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We need to move on to a Resource-based economy |
simonmagnus |
Jun-28-11 12:13 PM |
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We can no longer burn fossil fuels .... mining/fraking -- mountain top removal .... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-28-11 09:39 PM |
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Interesting post ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-28-11 11:32 AM |
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Change will come when |
MattSh |
Jun-28-11 12:12 PM |
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Think it will come when the public begins to understand Global Warming and oil industry insanity ... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-28-11 09:42 PM |
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Our size and other things mitigate against us, as does some ingrained |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 09:56 AM |
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Why not just forget |
sulphurdunn |
Jun-28-11 11:41 AM |
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That would be called "default" and it is exactly the thing |
Fool Count |
Jun-28-11 04:47 PM |
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That's exactly what Argentina did in 2002 |
sulphurdunn |
Jun-28-11 06:05 PM |
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That is true that Argentina was able to renegotiate the |
Fool Count |
Jun-28-11 09:18 PM |
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Debt forgiveness is not always part of restructuring. Sometimes, it's as simple as extending the . |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 10:27 AM |
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You cannot restructure debt without the lenders' consent, but nations can agree |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 10:00 AM |
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Poignantly symbolic that the country who 'invented' democracy has |
Dover |
Jun-28-11 12:22 PM |
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Wasn't there a strong attack on their democracy in ... 70's... 80's... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-28-11 10:14 PM |
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the Greeks have riots over |
melm00se |
Jun-28-11 12:29 PM |
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If that were our biggest problem, I'd be dancing in the streets. |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 10:06 AM |
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The Greeks should say "fuck you" to the bankers and bond holders, refuse to adopt |
totodeinhere |
Jun-28-11 12:37 PM |
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Well for one... |
CJvR |
Jun-28-11 01:02 PM |
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That's the theory |
gmpierce |
Jun-28-11 07:39 PM |
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Well said and correct procedure to follow with predatory lenders. |
plumbob |
Jun-28-11 08:36 PM |
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Iceland was a bit different. |
CJvR |
Jun-29-11 08:24 AM |
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Does anyone know a source of live coverage of Greece online? thanks. n/t |
ellenrr |
Jun-28-11 12:41 PM |
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Whenever those "youths" wearing masks |
arikara |
Jun-28-11 01:51 PM |
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Good point. Wouldn't be the first time. |
No Elephants |
Jun-29-11 10:42 AM |
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Fuck the Bankers. Power to the workers. eom. |
Hotler |
Jun-29-11 09:29 AM |
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kr |
defendandprotect |
Jun-30-11 09:44 PM |
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