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Tue Jun-28-11 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #110 |
| 113. There have been trials. Like I said, people need to learn |
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something about issues they choose to take a side on.
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| -Hugo Chavez's brother talks of armed struggle |
Zorro |
Jun-26-11 08:37 PM |
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I wonder, when American politicians talk like that |
Enrique |
Jun-26-11 08:39 PM |
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Yeah, at least two right-wing women, the loon in Arizona, and Bachman said the same crap in 2010. |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-26-11 08:54 PM |
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Do you have links for those quotes? |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 09:05 PM |
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Here's one |
Doctor_J |
Jun-26-11 10:10 PM |
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See post #46. |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 10:58 PM |
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Are you comparing Chavistas to teabaggers? |
Zorro |
Jun-26-11 09:08 PM |
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Ouch. |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 09:35 PM |
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And Virginia Foxx, U.S. House of Representatives, North Carolina. |
HubertHeaver |
Jun-26-11 09:44 PM |
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It was a Nevada loon - not an AZ loon... |
sweetloukillbot |
Jun-27-11 12:42 AM |
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They'd be wise not to, that'd be treason. |
joshcryer |
Jun-27-11 03:16 AM |
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It could be worse. He could start his own beer label. |
EFerrari |
Jun-26-11 09:02 PM |
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Has a sibling of a sitting US president ever made similar statements? |
Zorro |
Jun-26-11 09:09 PM |
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Don't worry, Zorro, we won't let him hurt you. |
EFerrari |
Jun-26-11 09:13 PM |
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Has a sibling of a sitting US president ever made similar statements? |
Zorro |
Jun-26-11 09:15 PM |
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I don't keep track of presidential brothers as assiduously as you do. |
EFerrari |
Jun-26-11 09:22 PM |
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Jebby to the NRA in 2002: "The sound of our guns is the sound of freedom" |
EFerrari |
Jun-26-11 09:28 PM |
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Nothing anywhere near "It would be inexcusable to limit ourselves to only the electoral." |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 09:34 PM |
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Try this one then |
Doctor_J |
Jun-26-11 10:15 PM |
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Yep, she lost the election over that nonsense. |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 10:29 PM |
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He said sibling |
Ter |
Jun-26-11 11:24 PM |
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Sorry your page was not found ... |
Zorro |
Jun-26-11 09:35 PM |
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Google the quote. It was to the... guess... NRA. |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 09:36 PM |
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Weird justification |
Zorro |
Jun-26-11 09:45 PM |
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Weird generalization, from one statement by one individual to Chavistas. |
EFerrari |
Jun-26-11 09:47 PM |
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You talking about Jeb? |
Zorro |
Jun-26-11 10:22 PM |
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That would be the only one. You might try to search the article name: |
EFerrari |
Jun-26-11 09:45 PM |
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Holy shit! That's exact same thing as saying |
hughee99 |
Jun-26-11 10:50 PM |
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What Jebby says short circuits the democratic process altogether. |
EFerrari |
Jun-26-11 11:35 PM |
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I'm not going to defend Jeb here but that's downright silly. |
joshcryer |
Jun-27-11 12:32 AM |
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indeed, but her comparison of Chavistas to the tea party isn't too far fetched |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-27-11 07:09 AM |
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Rght, because Chavistas are violent racists who want to kill off our social safety net |
EFerrari |
Jun-27-11 04:37 PM |
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so you are qualifying your comparison then?? |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-27-11 05:16 PM |
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Um, no, I didn't. |
EFerrari |
Jun-27-11 05:42 PM |
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Do you think suggesting that the "having guns" means |
hughee99 |
Jun-28-11 08:43 AM |
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Oh, I'm not equating the two. I'm saying Jebby's is much worse. |
EFerrari |
Jun-28-11 01:53 PM |
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do you agree with Adan Chavez that armed struggle may be necessary to combat "enemies"? |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-28-11 02:02 PM |
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Perhaps we're just reading it different, but in my opinion |
hughee99 |
Jun-28-11 06:02 PM |
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Yes. Jebby made a statement about San Francisco. Followed |
HubertHeaver |
Jun-26-11 09:31 PM |
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Not just a "sibling of a sitting US president" but also a high party leader and governor. |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 09:40 PM |
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Except he didn't say it. That AP lied, big surprise. |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-28-11 01:59 PM |
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He did say it. |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-28-11 02:10 PM |
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That's utterly false, and when you posted that it was made clear that that was false. |
joshcryer |
Jun-29-11 01:26 AM |
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Well a father of one and grandfather of another sitting |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-28-11 01:25 PM |
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...so popular, everywhere...? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! |
Zorro |
Jun-29-11 08:45 AM |
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No. But Bill Clinton's mama's chiropractor is DEAD!!!!!!!!1111111 |
bitchkitty |
Jun-28-11 09:33 PM |
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The oligarchs who run this country make their statements behind closed doors and in the form of |
Citizen Worker |
Jun-26-11 09:36 PM |
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It's a wash. We have massive paid for propaganda campigns. Chavez is on TV twice a day, mandatory. |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 09:38 PM |
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Who's picking up the slack in his absence? |
Zorro |
Jun-26-11 09:47 PM |
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Not sure. I doubt they'd leave the TV go weeks without Big Brother mouthing off about his latest... |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 09:51 PM |
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Actually nearly all of the Venezuelan TV and radio stations are right-wing |
Doctor_J |
Jun-26-11 10:05 PM |
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Venezuelan TV is pro-Chavez, if you're not, you lose your license. |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 10:14 PM |
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Are you kidding? |
Doctor_J |
Jun-26-11 10:18 PM |
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By law? |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 10:28 PM |
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Why are you recyclng the same old lies? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-27-11 03:37 PM |
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Actually, that's bullshit. RCTV lost their license. Venevisión and Televen still have theirs. |
joshcryer |
Jun-28-11 02:15 AM |
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You're doubling down on the bullshit. RCTV was instrumental in supporting the coup... |
JackRiddler |
Jun-28-11 01:05 PM |
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Venevisión was just as complicit, Venevisión changed their programming. That is a fact. |
joshcryer |
Jun-29-11 01:08 AM |
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Actually you have demonstrated how little you know with this |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-28-11 01:43 PM |
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Why hasn't there been a trial then? |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-28-11 02:01 PM |
#110 |
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There have been trials. Like I said, people need to learn |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-28-11 02:06 PM |
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when were these trials? feel free to provide evidence n/t |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-28-11 02:17 PM |
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Of course! |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-28-11 02:56 PM |
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BS. There hasn't been a single trial about the MEDIA COMPLICITY. |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-28-11 04:05 PM |
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The comment I responded to asked if there had been any |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-28-11 04:31 PM |
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Read this sub-thread again instead of childishly deflecting the argument |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-28-11 05:07 PM |
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There is a lawsuit against the private media |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-28-11 08:16 PM |
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Look, I'm merely pointing out that the victimization of Chavez is outdated |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-28-11 09:47 PM |
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We were informed, even in our corporate media, RCTV still broadcasts cable shows, |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-28-11 10:47 PM |
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A broadcast license is a lot different from a cable license. |
joshcryer |
Jun-29-11 01:11 AM |
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Not in Venezuela |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-29-11 08:14 AM |
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I absolutely support it in Latin American countries! Nothing I have said suggests otherwise. |
joshcryer |
Jun-29-11 01:10 AM |
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Not at all. 5 out of 10 national TV stations in Venezuela are State owned and fanatically pro-Chavez |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-27-11 06:28 AM |
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Hmm, one more and that would represent the Venezuelan electorate. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-28-11 06:08 PM |
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So State owned = Party owned |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-28-11 06:22 PM |
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Thanks for a reasonable response. |
JackRiddler |
Jun-28-11 09:11 PM |
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Here's something helpful: |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-27-11 06:37 AM |
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So what's the point? RCTV was closed... precisely. |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-27-11 06:54 AM |
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RCTV did the split screen thing (I think Venevisión did, too). Venevisión *met with the coupsters.* |
joshcryer |
Jun-28-11 02:18 AM |
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So I guess what you're saying is that Venevision should have also lost their license? |
JackRiddler |
Jun-28-11 01:07 PM |
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Yes, for consistency, Venevisión should've lost the license. But it's owned by a *billionire*... |
joshcryer |
Jun-29-11 01:15 AM |
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And until he returns to Caracas |
Zorro |
Jun-26-11 10:24 PM |
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No, not a wash actually. We have "massive paid for propaganda campaigns" and between campaign |
Citizen Worker |
Jun-26-11 10:07 PM |
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shhh...don't tell them that |
Doctor_J |
Jun-26-11 10:13 PM |
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Hugo is down in polls from his all time highs, he loses 10 points a year or something like that. |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 10:16 PM |
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BTW, the entire thread above is to detract from the fact that Chavez is on TV twice a day. |
joshcryer |
Jun-29-11 01:21 AM |
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And they own every last outlet of mass media |
Doctor_J |
Jun-26-11 10:07 PM |
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No, but sitting US legislators have |
Doctor_J |
Jun-26-11 10:04 PM |
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Translation: |
Archae |
Jun-26-11 08:41 PM |
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Chavez has never lost an election. And all of them have been free. nt |
The Big Vetolski |
Jun-26-11 08:47 PM |
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He did lead a failed coup before that, though. |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 08:50 PM |
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he lost the 2007 referendum but simply held another one a year later n/t |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-26-11 09:13 PM |
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Do you have something to back that up with? |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-28-11 01:55 PM |
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The Trotskyites would defend this barbarism. |
joshcryer |
Jun-26-11 08:48 PM |
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Excelpt it was not said. Does it bother you at all |
sabrina 1 |
Jun-28-11 02:04 PM |
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It was said with those exact words. Post #56 is a mistake. nt |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-28-11 02:44 PM |
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The worshippers of Saint Hugo will be showing up in 5...4...3...2... |
47of74 |
Jun-26-11 08:53 PM |
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Prayer and arms, sounds familiar. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Jun-26-11 09:14 PM |
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Brother of a President for life... |
MellowDem |
Jun-26-11 09:45 PM |
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"We believe in the democratic process... |
hughee99 |
Jun-26-11 10:44 PM |
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The ballot has done far more for the left in Latin America over the last 20 years |
eridani |
Jun-26-11 10:46 PM |
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First I dont care for chavez to much especially since he pushed for |
cstanleytech |
Jun-27-11 01:04 AM |
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Adán Chávez: did NOT utter the word "armed." |
rabs |
Jun-27-11 02:29 AM |
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Hey yell at the AP not me. |
cstanleytech |
Jun-27-11 02:57 AM |
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Not yelling at you |
rabs |
Jun-27-11 03:03 AM |
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yes, he did say armed struggle. you have to continue reading past the 4th paragraph |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-27-11 07:08 AM |
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K |
cstanleytech |
Jun-27-11 08:56 AM |
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That's the *written* essay. Do you have a link to video where he *said* that verbatim? |
joshcryer |
Jun-27-11 03:12 AM |
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Good lord almighty. That's quite a spin Cristopher Toothaker gave that story, isn't it? |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-27-11 03:27 AM |
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Do you have evidence the written article is what was spoken verbatim? |
joshcryer |
Jun-27-11 03:31 AM |
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And post 75 shows why you shouldn't believe everything you read on the intertubes |
snooper2 |
Jun-28-11 11:18 AM |
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There's something I forgot to add: |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-27-11 03:35 AM |
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Maybe you should watch this: |
joshcryer |
Jun-27-11 04:32 AM |
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after further review (meaning continue reading the article) |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-27-11 07:06 AM |
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I found the video, you are outright wrong. I see what you were trying to do. |
joshcryer |
Jun-27-11 04:31 AM |
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yes, he did |
Bacchus39 |
Jun-27-11 07:03 AM |
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Well other routes... |
CJvR |
Jun-27-11 08:41 AM |
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Thats even assuming that said election in the future is not rigged |
cstanleytech |
Jun-27-11 09:01 AM |
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Well... |
CJvR |
Jun-27-11 09:12 AM |
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You have no idea what you're talking about. |
EFerrari |
Jun-28-11 02:45 AM |
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It's easy to pass audits and monitors when you forbid candidates from being on the rolls... |
joshcryer |
Jun-28-11 02:48 AM |
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Not to mention... |
CJvR |
Jun-28-11 01:05 PM |
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I assure you... |
CJvR |
Jun-28-11 01:07 PM |
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If you count Katherine-Harris style removing candidates from being voted on thing, yeah. |
joshcryer |
Jun-28-11 02:06 AM |
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Innuendo and smear, that's pretty much what you have. |
EFerrari |
Jun-28-11 02:44 AM |
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He DID use that exact word |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-28-11 02:13 PM |
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Sounds like Chavez might be... |
SkyDaddy7 |
Jun-27-11 05:20 AM |
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Here are the last 4 paragraphs from the Miami Herald's Sunday offering on this material: |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-27-11 05:27 AM |
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Maybe the PSUV paramilitaries will finally become useful |
ChangoLoa |
Jun-27-11 06:45 AM |
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Would they mow down protesters in the street like Carlos Andres Perez' military? (Graphic images.) |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-27-11 07:01 AM |
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Maybe they would. So what's your point? |
spanza |
Jun-27-11 07:16 AM |
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For DU'ers who haven't taken time to read about Chavez' coup, |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-27-11 07:38 AM |
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notice how this post is ignored |
fascisthunter |
Jun-28-11 01:18 PM |
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They can't really find much to make him look bad. |
bitchkitty |
Jun-28-11 09:42 PM |
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It's an education watching them throw themselves on this topic day after day. |
Judi Lynn |
Jun-28-11 11:39 PM |
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Yes it is... |
fascisthunter |
Jun-29-11 08:52 AM |
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In other words "we respect the will of the people,as long as |
sufrommich |
Jun-27-11 09:07 AM |
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What, only 11 Recs when finally a hugh truth is unmasked?!1 n/t |
UTUSN |
Jun-27-11 09:13 AM |
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I see that a thread with 2000+ views only has 11 Recs. Could it be *propaganda*?!1 n/t |
UTUSN |
Jun-27-11 08:46 PM |
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As someone who dislikes Chavez and thinks he does not care in the least bit about freedom, |
chrisa |
Jun-27-11 09:21 AM |
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"All options are on the table!" nt |
bemildred |
Jun-28-11 09:26 AM |
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another dur hit piece... |
fascisthunter |
Jun-28-11 01:14 PM |
#103 |
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