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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-31-11 03:37 PM
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67. I almost cried when I read the section of the young Walmart worker
who was holding onto a blouse that met the dress requirements of Walmart, in hopes that it would be reduced in price, so she could afford to purchase it. This is the type of company our local towns are giving incentives to, to build their monster stores in. They promise jobs in return, but what is the value of jobs that leave employees on public assistance & without health insurance?

That was an excellent book.
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  -New study: You can't live on minimum wage Bozita  May-31-11 10:40 AM   #0 
  - Stop the presses!  Orrex   May-31-11 10:40 AM   #1 
  - I can't recall a time when a person could have lived on minimum wage in my area  slackmaster   May-31-11 10:41 AM   #2 
  - Minimum wage has never been indexed to inflation, which is its major flaw.  Warpy   May-31-11 12:09 PM   #21 
  - The federal minimum wage pre-dates any official federal poverty level by decades  slackmaster   May-31-11 12:31 PM   #24 
  - The point is taken...but...  RUMMYisFROSTED   May-31-11 01:26 PM   #28 
     - Looks to me like the graph is indexed already  a2liberal   May-31-11 02:19 PM   #49 
        - Sorry, I left out the link to the page the chart is from - It's in 2010 dollars  slackmaster   May-31-11 02:29 PM   #51 
           - I'd love to see a graph comparing average wages versus minimum  Capitalocracy   Jun-01-11 03:18 AM   #186 
  - Now I looked this up recently, and found that the minimum wage in the 30s, indexed with inflation  Tiggeroshii   May-31-11 06:43 PM   #106 
  - when the model A rolled out...  awoke_in_2003   May-31-11 10:17 PM   #160 
     - Actually, that was $5 a day  Art_from_Ark   Jun-01-11 07:56 AM   #193 
  - I was able to live on minimum wage when I was in  Cleita   May-31-11 06:52 PM   #111 
  - I agree - it sure wasn't a great existence. . .but I was barely  kevinbgoode   May-31-11 09:03 PM   #140 
  - Yep. My very first job as a nurse's aid  SheilaT   May-31-11 09:58 PM   #156 
  - me too--I found cheap places to live ($50-65/month) and $1.65/hr I made w shift differential  librechik   Jun-02-11 12:17 PM   #226 
  - "Minimum wage has never been indexed to inflation"...  awoke_in_2003   May-31-11 10:14 PM   #159 
     - Nor has the Alternative Minimum Tax  slackmaster   Jun-01-11 08:46 AM   #198 
  - The cost of living varies widely from region to region...  individual rights   May-31-11 06:21 PM   #103 
  - That's why states and some localities have their own minimum wage laws  slackmaster   May-31-11 06:44 PM   #108 
     - This makes sense  Tiggeroshii   May-31-11 06:47 PM   #110 
     - and very few of the states....  awoke_in_2003   May-31-11 10:18 PM   #162 
        - 17 states have state minimum wages that are higher than the fed  quiller4   May-31-11 10:44 PM   #167 
  - Ten years befor that you could. My MIL was abandoned by her husband in 1965  eridani   Jun-01-11 02:01 AM   #182 
     - I'd bet a bucket of beer she didn't live in San Diego  slackmaster   Jun-01-11 08:47 AM   #199 
        - No, Seattle. What she did would have been impossible 15 years later n/t  eridani   Jun-01-11 04:13 PM   #211 
  - No screaming puppy poop.  Uncle Joe   May-31-11 10:42 AM   #3 
  - pretty sure i didn't need a study to tell me that. thanks though.  ejpoeta   May-31-11 10:43 AM   #4 
  - I read about this in No Shit Magazine. nt  Deep13   May-31-11 10:43 AM   #5 
  - plenty of DUers think mcjobs are a GREAT thing. nt  xchrom   May-31-11 10:44 AM   #6 
  - I am not among them  BobbyBoring   May-31-11 11:24 AM   #13 
  - How much would a crappy cheeseburger cost . . .  wpelb   May-31-11 05:18 PM   #95 
     - Cheeseburger would cost the same no matter the wage.  plumbob   May-31-11 06:44 PM   #109 
     - Awesome rebuttal to that utter nonsense! n/t  chervilant   May-31-11 10:59 PM   #169 
     - +1.. clearest post in the thread right here. . . . .n/t  annabanana   Jun-01-11 04:39 AM   #187 
     - One error in there  FBaggins   Jun-01-11 03:12 PM   #209 
     - You have a point about the taxes  Abq_Sarah   Jun-02-11 05:02 PM   #228 
     - Bullshit.  obxhead   May-31-11 07:21 PM   #119 
     - Maybe with better wages,  Wednesdays   May-31-11 09:22 PM   #144 
     - Wow...  chervilant   May-31-11 10:58 PM   #168 
     - It would cost what the market would bear  guitar man   May-31-11 11:22 PM   #172 
  - you may not know this  Dokkie   May-31-11 01:27 PM   #29 
  - Really? Do enlighten us wise one. nt  TBF   May-31-11 01:55 PM   #42 
  - That is a good question  PotatoChip   May-31-11 03:02 PM   #60 
     - BLS has it  Recursion   May-31-11 04:18 PM   #82 
        - Interesting. Plenty of good info  PotatoChip   May-31-11 04:37 PM   #87 
  - They are, for 16 year olds that live at home  Ter   May-31-11 02:23 PM   #50 
  - not really.  harmonicon   May-31-11 02:49 PM   #58 
     - That is a Very Good Point  On the Road   May-31-11 05:19 PM   #96 
     - When I got my first job in 1993, I got whatever the NJ minimum wage was  Ter   May-31-11 07:09 PM   #115 
     - So what are you saying, those 16 year olds shouldn't work at all?  Ter   May-31-11 07:05 PM   #114 
        - I'm not saying that at all.  harmonicon   Jun-01-11 10:52 AM   #204 
  - No as in ZERO DUers think that. But plenty of folks seem to project that on other DUers. n/t  stevenleser   May-31-11 05:48 PM   #101 
  - REAGAN BEATS MONDALE IN A LANDSLIDE!  HughBeaumont   May-31-11 10:46 AM   #7 
  - Too bad Rayguneconomics  femrap   May-31-11 03:36 PM   #66 
     - It's funny how that whole mess of a system has his namesake . . .  HughBeaumont   May-31-11 05:14 PM   #93 
  - Duh! How much did this "study" cost?  joanbarnes   May-31-11 10:57 AM   #8 
  - See post #38.  AnnetteJacobs   May-31-11 09:33 PM   #147 
     - post 38 isn't the best example  canuckledragger   May-31-11 10:27 PM   #165 
  - That doesn't mean the repubs won't still want to abolish it so they can pay less.  livingonearth   May-31-11 10:57 AM   #9 
  - No shit headline n/t  OhioChick   May-31-11 10:59 AM   #10 
  - You can't? But the Tea Party says you can live for less than minimum wage!  ck4829   May-31-11 10:59 AM   #11 
  - You can live on minimum wage, but not for long.  russspeakeasy   May-31-11 01:25 PM   #27 
  - That would be Muslin.  Enthusiast   May-31-11 01:46 PM   #39 
  - I've noticed something  booley   May-31-11 02:29 PM   #52 
  - I can live on minimum wage, but that's just me.  elocs   May-31-11 02:45 PM   #56 
  - What gets me is that this women of twins  femrap   May-31-11 03:39 PM   #69 
  - You can live for less than Min wage in yo mamma's basement  Vanje   May-31-11 04:24 PM   #84 
  - And those on SSI, have to live on less than minimum wage n/t  zalinda   May-31-11 11:06 AM   #12 
  - Yep, I living on it. $1,400 a month doesn't go far.  RebelOne   May-31-11 12:09 PM   #22 
     - Nationally SSI is only $674, SS Disability can pay better, but is a different program  happyslug   May-31-11 01:42 PM   #36 
        - Sorry, I did not specify that I am receiving Social Security  RebelOne   May-31-11 03:29 PM   #63 
  - I want the final results from a 20 year/300 million study from the Feds by 2050. That will settle it  Safetykitten   May-31-11 11:26 AM   #14 
  - I assume they mean without government programs.  Courtesy Flush   May-31-11 11:28 AM   #15 
  - You nailed it right on the head  semillama   May-31-11 01:34 PM   #31 
     - I think the way Wal-mart employees depend on things  tblue37   May-31-11 01:40 PM   #35 
     - In states with newly elected  femrap   May-31-11 03:46 PM   #70 
  - file this under the "no shit sherlock" category  pitohui   May-31-11 11:30 AM   #16 
  - Well DUH!  SoapBox   May-31-11 11:41 AM   #17 
  - Much, much more in this month's issue of DUH! magazine  KamaAina   May-31-11 11:52 AM   #18 
  - Another gem from the no-shit-Sherlock file.  Lugnut   May-31-11 11:56 AM   #19 
  - No shit, why do they think I'm on SSI?  Odin2005   May-31-11 11:57 AM   #20 
  - We needed a study for this??  IScreamSundays   May-31-11 12:23 PM   #23 
  - Lots of teabaggers and selfish  femrap   May-31-11 03:48 PM   #71 
  - In other news, water is wet  Taverner   May-31-11 01:15 PM   #25 
  - Shaking my head in disbelief. Someone actually commissioned this study?  bluerum   May-31-11 01:22 PM   #26 
  - You sound like  femrap   May-31-11 03:49 PM   #72 
  - No. Just wondering why it takes research to learn something so damn obvious.  bluerum   May-31-11 05:26 PM   #98 
     - You must live  femrap   May-31-11 06:43 PM   #107 
        - I live in MA. You would starve and or freeze and or die of disease on minimum wage here.  bluerum   May-31-11 09:02 PM   #139 
           - then why are we disagreeing w/  femrap   May-31-11 10:19 PM   #163 
              - Not disagreeing. My position is that the conclusion of the study should be obvious to a one eyed  bluerum   Jun-01-11 10:16 AM   #202 
                 - Look what the Repugnants  femrap   Jun-01-11 11:00 AM   #206 
  - Just because "everybody knows that" doesnt mean an empirical study is worthless. n/t  stevenleser   May-31-11 08:58 PM   #136 
  - Anyone with basic math skills could tell you that. They really needed to do a study?  Luciferous   May-31-11 01:34 PM   #30 
  - We should have a "GD:No Shit Sherlock" board.  cliffordu   May-31-11 01:35 PM   #32 
  - as a person well used to minimum wage work let me say..  canuckledragger   May-31-11 01:38 PM   #33 
  - See post #38.  AnnetteJacobs   May-31-11 09:39 PM   #152 
     - How about a constructive argument from yourself  canuckledragger   May-31-11 11:09 PM   #171 
  - Well no shit.  Javaman   May-31-11 01:40 PM   #34 
  - And yet the billionaires and corporations who have bought our government don't give a shit  slay   May-31-11 01:45 PM   #37 
  - the study looks ridiculous to me - $12.24 an hour?  hfojvt   May-31-11 01:46 PM   #38 
  - Depends on where you live and what support system such as  JDPriestly   May-31-11 01:52 PM   #41 
  - What are your expenses like - if you don't mind my asking...  radhika   May-31-11 01:58 PM   #45 
  - the study said that a single, childless person needs $12 an hour  hfojvt   May-31-11 03:38 PM   #68 
     - No bad neighborhoods in small towns?  The Flaming Red Head   May-31-11 10:43 PM   #166 
  - You can throw up anecdotal evidence to try to dispute anything -  TBF   May-31-11 01:59 PM   #46 
  - because I think the argument is ridiculous  hfojvt   May-31-11 03:58 PM   #75 
     - It's an average - I grew up in what I used to affectionately call "bumblefuck Wisconsin" -  TBF   May-31-11 04:12 PM   #80 
     - I would expect the average to include lots of non-urban, cheaper areas  hfojvt   May-31-11 07:20 PM   #118 
        - How is $15 an hour a ridiculous argument? In what universe?  TBF   May-31-11 09:21 PM   #143 
           - in this one  hfojvt   Jun-01-11 02:27 AM   #183 
              - Reactionary crap.  TBF   Jun-01-11 06:42 AM   #190 
     - You can live on less than $24 an hour,  wickerwoman   May-31-11 09:26 PM   #145 
        - well 50 years ago was a long time ago  hfojvt   Jun-01-11 01:05 AM   #180 
  - As others have said, on average, people cannot live on minimum wage. Individual mileage may differ.  elocs   May-31-11 04:01 PM   #77 
  - the point is that one of their key findings is ridiculous  hfojvt   May-31-11 07:32 PM   #121 
     - There is NOTHING ridiculous about $15 hr minimum wage  bread_and_roses   Jun-01-11 06:34 AM   #189 
  - Well, dogs don't need clothes, school fees, braces, etc., you name it. NT  juajen   May-31-11 04:03 PM   #78 
     - neither do single people  hfojvt   May-31-11 07:42 PM   #125 
        - Single people don't need clothes? Maybe you can afford it because you live in Nowheresville, KS  Justitia   May-31-11 08:29 PM   #132 
           - they have my sympathy for that  hfojvt   Jun-01-11 01:40 AM   #181 
              - LOL - Houston is an "abomination", ha, too funny. What's the matter w/Kansas, indeed.  Justitia   Jun-01-11 08:53 AM   #200 
                 - "I'm not a doctor  hfojvt   Jun-01-11 01:58 PM   #208 
                    - See, I'd rather be eaten by bears....  Justitia   Jun-01-11 04:18 PM   #212 
  - Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America  OutNow   May-31-11 01:47 PM   #40 
  - I almost cried when I read the section of the young Walmart worker  CrispyQ   May-31-11 03:37 PM   #67 
     - I did cry at the section  wickerwoman   May-31-11 09:28 PM   #146 
  - Was this printed in DUH! Magazine?  Initech   May-31-11 01:57 PM   #43 
  - It took a study to determine this?  liberal N proud   May-31-11 01:58 PM   #44 
  - No shit, really?  sakabatou   May-31-11 02:15 PM   #47 
  - Oh, you CAN live on it. You just have to cram in a couple dozen  kestrel91316   May-31-11 02:16 PM   #48 
  - What the article fails to mention  pinqy   May-31-11 02:32 PM   #53 
  - K&R  msider   May-31-11 02:42 PM   #54 
  - How true.  harmonicon   May-31-11 02:44 PM   #55 
  - What would have happened to you  femrap   May-31-11 03:55 PM   #74 
     - I would still be screwed without my family.  harmonicon   Jun-01-11 10:48 AM   #203 
        - Michael Moore said something  femrap   Jun-01-11 10:55 AM   #205 
           - I love living in the UK.  harmonicon   Jun-01-11 07:50 PM   #217 
              - I'm green  femrap   Jun-01-11 09:18 PM   # 
                 - Well, the food here is terrible.  harmonicon   Jun-01-11 10:01 PM   #220 
                    - I loved being an expat in London (the transportation is fantastic!), but I ate a LOT of spaghetti!  Justitia   Jun-01-11 10:08 PM   #221 
                    - Yeah, I've gained weight here.  harmonicon   Jun-02-11 12:56 PM   #227 
                    - I spent a very short time in England....  femrap   Jun-02-11 10:13 AM   #225 
  - Obvious study is obvious.  blackspade   May-31-11 02:46 PM   #57 
  - Wow, I could have told them that without all the fancy researcher  LynneSin   May-31-11 02:55 PM   #59 
  - If we lowered the maximum wage for all Americans ...  GeorgeGist   May-31-11 03:23 PM   #61 
  - Insane what is going on, Just have to look at the numbers  OverDone   May-31-11 03:26 PM   #62 
  - Man, I gotta get me some study money!  Iggo   May-31-11 03:29 PM   #64 
  - Then maybe you better take  femrap   May-31-11 03:59 PM   #76 
     - I don't care who the fuck put out the study.  Iggo   May-31-11 05:01 PM   #90 
        - And everyone and their brother knows the Earth is flat.  jeff47   May-31-11 05:17 PM   #94 
        - Then go get yourself  femrap   May-31-11 05:20 PM   #97 
  - They needed to do a study to figure that out? Even with science on our side  AllyCat   May-31-11 03:30 PM   #65 
  - The way they get away with minimum wage is that you technically....  Corruption Winz   May-31-11 03:53 PM   #73 
  - You very well MIGHT die.  Withywindle   Jun-02-11 12:41 AM   #223 
  - if the republican business/corporate owners  electricD   May-31-11 04:08 PM   #79 
  - Why are we always focusing on how to minimize wages for our populace?  TBF   May-31-11 04:14 PM   #81 
  - The study also found that Bill Gates COULD live on his income.  tclambert   May-31-11 04:27 PM   #85 
  - I'll wait until that study on Bears Shitting in The Woods comes out before I get excited. nt  TrollBuster9090   May-31-11 04:22 PM   #83 
  - Duhh  wowimthere   May-31-11 04:36 PM   #86 
  - Is this a joke?  Ramulux   May-31-11 04:42 PM   #88 
  - NO SHIT!!!!  BlueJac   May-31-11 04:52 PM   #89 
  - Wow - real shocker there.  Vinca   May-31-11 05:02 PM   #91 
  - I find this unlikely  WatsonT   May-31-11 05:08 PM   #92 
  - Apples and oranges. Illegal aliens have a number of things going on that make this possible. Such as  stevenleser   May-31-11 05:54 PM   #102 
     - In California, the clinics and hospitals  truedelphi   May-31-11 06:38 PM   #105 
     - Yes yes, illegals get so many handouts  WatsonT   Jun-01-11 08:43 AM   #197 
  - Should have voted for The Rent is Too Damn High Party. nt  Arrowhead2k1   May-31-11 05:33 PM   #99 
  - So, what's your point?  MannyGoldstein   May-31-11 05:38 PM   #100 
  - A person can live on minimum wage.  pettypace   May-31-11 06:30 PM   #104 
  - IF, IF, IF IF.....  JAnthony   May-31-11 06:55 PM   #112 
  - You won't be earning mim wage for ever.  pettypace   May-31-11 07:38 PM   #123 
  - Exactly.That "budget" presumes a lot  theHandpuppet   Jun-01-11 05:31 AM   #188 
  - Good gosh, things are cheap in your part of the country. Here in west Texas,  plumbob   May-31-11 07:01 PM   #113 
  - I lived in Austin  pettypace   May-31-11 07:34 PM   #122 
  - I'm in Odessa. Here's some other info for you on apartments:  plumbob   May-31-11 09:08 PM   #142 
  - Again my scenario is for a single individual  pettypace   May-31-11 11:25 PM   #173 
     - Cost of living in the oilpatch is always higher than most anywhere else.  plumbob   Jun-01-11 12:58 AM   #179 
  - HAHAHA! Don't need internet! You're funny. nt.  harmonicon   Jun-01-11 04:08 PM   #210 
  - It is unfortunate that cooking at home is impossible  WatsonT   Jun-01-11 09:15 PM   #218 
  - not sure where you live but it is impossible where I am from  fascisthunter   May-31-11 07:11 PM   #116 
  - Boston is pricey  pettypace   May-31-11 07:42 PM   #124 
     - it depends on the area of Boston  fascisthunter   May-31-11 09:37 PM   #149 
  - Math is off  ProSense   May-31-11 07:51 PM   #126 
  - The most basic rentals in my area average at the  Cleita   May-31-11 10:18 PM   #161 
  - Wait  ProSense   May-31-11 07:18 PM   #117 
  - We have a WINNER!  FirstLight   May-31-11 08:14 PM   #128 
  - Actually, isn't it the President that said no tax increases for those making 250K  kelly1mm   May-31-11 08:49 PM   #134 
     - Actually,  ProSense   May-31-11 09:01 PM   #138 
        - I may be wrong (certainly NOT the 1st time) but I thought that the  kelly1mm   May-31-11 09:07 PM   #141 
  - Mind boggling.  RT_Fanatic   May-31-11 07:27 PM   #120 
  - Who the hell needs to spend money on a study to find this out?!?!?!  RoccoR5955   May-31-11 08:03 PM   #127 
  - No shit?  guitar man   May-31-11 08:22 PM   #129 
  - See post #38.  AnnetteJacobs   May-31-11 09:38 PM   #151 
     - yeah, so  guitar man   Jun-01-11 09:06 AM   #201 
  - WOW!!!! THIS IS NEWS!!!!  DesertDiamond   May-31-11 08:22 PM   #130 
  - And now that I'm done with my sarcasm attack, this is awesome, awesome that a study has actually  DesertDiamond   May-31-11 08:24 PM   #131 
  - Take THAT DLC!  mdmc   May-31-11 08:41 PM   #133 
  - DUH! And you can't survive on eating only rocks. nt  valerief   May-31-11 08:55 PM   #135 
  - See post #38.  AnnetteJacobs   May-31-11 09:34 PM   #148 
     - #38 must not live in the Northeast and must depend on others to share  valerief   May-31-11 09:38 PM   #150 
        - Methinks we have a sock puppet here or something  canuckledragger   Jun-01-11 12:32 AM   #176 
  - Some of the responses to this OP are pathetic. "Everybody knows that" is not evidence. THIS STUDY IS  stevenleser   May-31-11 08:59 PM   #137 
  - So this will convince people who have no clue what it is to survive in this economy.  valerief   May-31-11 09:40 PM   #153 
  - What is difficult to get about this? It's Hard evidence vs. Supposition.  stevenleser   May-31-11 09:48 PM   #154 
     - Most people LIVE the hard evidence. Duh. nt  valerief   May-31-11 09:50 PM   #155 
        - Duh - that doesnt do you any good on an internet discussion - duh  stevenleser   May-31-11 10:25 PM   #164 
           - As I said, it's to convince people who have no clue that people can't  valerief   Jun-01-11 12:20 PM   #207 
  - One study, on a subjective subject, from a likely biased group is conclusive?  WatsonT   Jun-01-11 09:18 PM   #219 
  - Well, not if you live in California....  AsahinaKimi   May-31-11 10:03 PM   #157 
  - New study (just a few minutes old)...  awoke_in_2003   May-31-11 10:11 PM   #158 
  - A Modest Proposal from Adopt-A-Billionaire Charity Drive  TalkingDog   May-31-11 11:04 PM   #170 
  - Noooo! Really!  burrowowl   May-31-11 11:26 PM   #174 
  - Remember - If somone is willing to pay you minimum wage  gtar100   May-31-11 11:50 PM   #175 
  - Minimum Wage should be at least 20 bucks. There's no way anyone can live on 7 bucks an hour 40 hour  steelmania75   Jun-01-11 12:36 AM   #177 
  - And say goodbye to the economy  LibertyFox   Jun-01-11 04:26 PM   #214 
  - minimum wage is an insult... Americans have been conditioned to accept as the norm.  SammyWinstonJack   Jun-01-11 12:41 AM   #178 
  - They're being taught that you should make a career on minimum wage jobs  LibertyFox   Jun-01-11 04:25 PM   #213 
  - Oh Shit, I'm screwed!  Tripod   Jun-01-11 03:09 AM   #184 
  - Why is nobody talking about a living wage?  Capitalocracy   Jun-01-11 03:14 AM   #185 
  - They are not talking about it because that is also reactionary -  TBF   Jun-01-11 06:43 AM   #191 
  - No .... No .... No .... Tell me it aint so!  Yon_Yonson   Jun-01-11 07:23 AM   #192 
  - Those wages, I assume, do not include  dotymed   Jun-01-11 08:16 AM   #194 
  - My assemblyman thinks the minimum wage is too high.  redwitch   Jun-01-11 08:22 AM   #195 
  - k&r  blindpig   Jun-01-11 08:32 AM   #196 
  - From the N.S. Sherlock Research institute  Manifestor_of_Light   Jun-01-11 04:41 PM   #215 
  - The no shitter award.  sarcasmo   Jun-01-11 07:45 PM   #216 
  - Candidate for this year's "You Call This NEWS?" Award  rocktivity   Jun-01-11 11:15 PM   #222 
  - Drive-By Truckers - "Working This Job"  Roland99   Jun-02-11 09:14 AM   #224 
 

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