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Corruption Winz Donating Member (581 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-25-11 02:56 PM
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109. This is such a tough thing ot handle....
Theoretically, anyone there who hasn't been tried is "innocent." If they're being held on charges, then they should remain there. However, if you let the others go and something were to happen with them, Obama would be crucified. Yet, that's still not a good reason to keep people there that shouldn't be there.

The only way out of this that comes close to touching all the bases is to try those that have admitted guilt and to start seeing if the others need to be there or not. The sooner, the better.
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  -WikiLeaks: Guantanamo Bay Secrets Revealed (1,000s of Pages From Ten Years) Hissyspit  Apr-24-11 07:34 PM   #0 
  - Why isn't it closed now?  Rosa Luxemburg   Apr-24-11 08:35 PM   #1 
  - O is controversy-averse. The GOP may call him names. nt  davidwparker   Apr-24-11 08:43 PM   #3 
  - I am of the belief he has not  cstanleytech   Apr-24-11 10:48 PM   #23 
     - then - i guess, "doing the right thing" has fallen below "political expediency",  marasinghe   Apr-25-11 12:46 AM   #42 
        - That's been happening since day one,  tavalon   Apr-25-11 11:16 AM   #94 
        - Has it been any other way this current century?  Cherchez la Femme   Apr-25-11 05:25 PM   #124 
  - Don't lose "hope" okay?  DeSwiss   Apr-24-11 09:11 PM   #7 
  - interesting quote there  BetsysGhost   Apr-25-11 11:35 AM   #96 
  - Ban on U.S. trials for Guantanamo prisoners passes House again-Politico 12/17/10  MilesColtrane   Apr-24-11 10:11 PM   #15 
  - There's a thought  caraher   Apr-24-11 10:25 PM   #18 
  - one thing to keep in mind  orangeapple   Apr-24-11 10:55 PM   #26 
     - How many of those WERE innocent, but became terrorists  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-24-11 11:25 PM   #30 
     - I don't know, you don't know  orangeapple   Apr-24-11 11:51 PM   #34 
        - On what basis do you continue to imprison an innocent person?  EFerrari   Apr-25-11 12:58 AM   #44 
        - POWs can be held for the duration of the conflict  orangeapple   Apr-25-11 10:19 AM   #79 
           - These people weren't even combatants.  EFerrari   Apr-25-11 10:49 AM   #85 
              - What do you do about the ones who are AQ?  orangeapple   Apr-25-11 11:41 AM   #97 
                 - You try them and take the consequences  EFerrari   Apr-25-11 12:06 PM   #99 
                    - try them for what?  orangeapple   Apr-25-11 12:58 PM   #101 
                       - If they can't be charged with a crime, they have to be released.  EFerrari   Apr-25-11 01:10 PM   #102 
                       - Do you realize that you're using the same excuse that the MIC  truth2power   Apr-25-11 04:25 PM   #118 
                       - Hey, I was against that stupid war too!  orangeapple   Apr-25-11 04:34 PM   #119 
                          - Oh yes, "I was against XXX before I was for XXX" argument.  liberation   Apr-25-11 04:50 PM   #122 
                          - I'm not John Kerry  orangeapple   Apr-25-11 05:07 PM   #123 
                             - Thanks for proving my point.  liberation   Apr-25-11 05:28 PM   #125 
                                - why are you ducking the question?  orangeapple   Apr-25-11 05:38 PM   #126 
                                   - Ask a question and you will get an answer  liberation   Apr-25-11 06:03 PM   #129 
                                   - here's my question  orangeapple   Apr-25-11 07:59 PM   #135 
                          - First of all...  truth2power   Apr-25-11 05:55 PM   #128 
                       - That's bullshit because they HAVEN'T RECEIVED POW STATUS or PROTECTION UNDER THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS.  The Stranger   Apr-25-11 06:04 PM   #130 
        - Then you hold public trials so the people know  sabrina 1   Apr-25-11 06:48 PM   #133 
     - So TRY them. If guilty, imprison them, legally.  plumbob   Apr-25-11 12:08 AM   #36 
     - Well, what a surprise.  Hissyspit   Apr-25-11 06:52 AM   #62 
     - Yes it has, hasn't it? From the time Rummy was comparing  truth2power   Apr-25-11 03:45 PM   #111 
     - Dupe  Hissyspit   Apr-25-11 07:00 AM   #63 
     - BBC: Of 779 detainees at Guantanamo, all but 220 were innocent or low-level guerrillas |  Hissyspit   Apr-25-11 07:00 AM   #64 
     - I didn't have the numbers handy in my post above, Hissy, ..  truth2power   Apr-25-11 06:12 PM   #132 
     - HELLO! "according to a new intelligence assessment released by the Director of National Intelligence  L. Coyote   Apr-25-11 10:34 AM   #80 
     - Is that real terrorism, or speaking out against US policies?  Oak2004   Apr-25-11 11:29 AM   #95 
     - Jesus, the naivete in this post defies description and is maddening  coalition_unwilling   Apr-25-11 04:39 PM   #120 
  - He had plenty of time to act before that.  Capitalocracy   Apr-24-11 10:45 PM   #22 
     - The problem is  cstanleytech   Apr-24-11 10:52 PM   #24 
        - I'm sure it's Obama's opinion.  Capitalocracy   Apr-24-11 10:57 PM   #27 
  - I voted for Obama to see it closed  lovuian   Apr-24-11 11:35 PM   #31 
  - Because the rulers do not know how to govern without using torture.  grahamhgreen   Apr-25-11 02:43 AM   #49 
  - W/Cheney/Rumsfeld needed the farce of all this to keep myth of 9/11 going ...  defendandprotect   Apr-25-11 11:05 AM   #89 
  - Why isn't it closed now?  AlbertCat   Apr-25-11 08:53 AM   #70 
  - So....  underpants   Apr-24-11 08:42 PM   #2 
  - I don't know about this  PSPS   Apr-24-11 08:47 PM   #4 
  - There is just no way to paint a happy face on this story, but they sure did their best  L. Coyote   Apr-25-11 10:38 AM   #81 
  - WaPo Link:  Hissyspit   Apr-24-11 08:51 PM   #5 
  - wikileaks: The Guantanamo Files  cal04   Apr-24-11 09:05 PM   #6 
  - New York Times Link "Timeline of Gitmo Detainees," More  Hissyspit   Apr-24-11 09:13 PM   #8 
  - wikileaks: If you read Wikileaks' 'Gitmo Files' please do so with extra caution. 'Confessions' made  Hissyspit   Apr-24-11 09:27 PM   #9 
  - These things  TacticalPeek   Apr-24-11 09:39 PM   #10 
  - McClatchy gets headline right: "WikiLeaks: Secret Guantanamo files show U.S. disarray"  Hissyspit   Apr-24-11 09:46 PM   #11 
  - Delete - Duplicate  Hissyspit   Apr-24-11 09:46 PM   #12 
  - Guardian: What are the Guantnamo Bay files? Understanding the prisoner dossiers  Hissyspit   Apr-24-11 09:59 PM   #13 
  - "al-Qaida, the Taliban or other terror groups"  ronnie624   Apr-25-11 01:23 PM   #104 
  - Guardian gets headline right: "Guantnamo Bay files: Caught in the wrong place at the wrong time"  Hissyspit   Apr-24-11 10:04 PM   #14 
  - WikLeaks: "This detainee was tortured in 3 different countries, held in CIA site but US gov file...  Hissyspit   Apr-24-11 10:20 PM   #16 
     - WikiLeaks: "Australia: Guantanamo file for David Hicks released"  Hissyspit   Apr-24-11 10:24 PM   #17 
     - .  Hissyspit   Apr-25-11 12:46 AM   #41 
     - Failure to prosecute is also illegal.  grahamhgreen   Apr-25-11 02:47 AM   #51 
  - Does anyone remember when Rumsfeld called them "the worst of the worst"?..  truth2power   Apr-24-11 10:35 PM   #19 
  - Do you remember the minute by minute media coverage  EFerrari   Apr-24-11 10:41 PM   #20 
  - Not just him. Rumsfeld: Hides War Crimes - Free. WikiLeaker: Reveals War Crimes -  Hissyspit   Apr-24-11 10:41 PM   #21 
  - "imprisoning more than 150 totally innocent people" = WAR CRIMES!  L. Coyote   Apr-24-11 10:53 PM   #25 
  - This is a fascinating release.  tekisui   Apr-24-11 11:03 PM   #28 
  - Raw Story: 7 Shocking Gitmo Revelations  Hissyspit   Apr-24-11 11:19 PM   #29 
  - All this money all the lies the torture was just a total farce  lovuian   Apr-24-11 11:39 PM   #32 
  - I think most people believed it was a total farce from the beginning.  polly7   Apr-25-11 11:15 AM   #91 
  - Reenacting 9/11 with origami art?  Capitalocracy   Apr-25-11 12:54 AM   #43 
  - Obviously, we TORTURED these people because we had no evidende against them ...  defendandprotect   Apr-25-11 01:49 AM   #47 
  - And just yesterday I wondered what our leaders had done to shut  jwirr   Apr-24-11 11:51 PM   #33 
  - BBC: "Wikileaks: Many at Guantanamo 'not dangerous'"  Hissyspit   Apr-25-11 12:02 AM   #35 
  - Seton Hall has been on this for years.  EFerrari   Apr-25-11 12:36 AM   #38 
  - You have to ask yourself: What is it the pugs and neocons are so very, very afraid of,  ooglymoogly   Apr-25-11 12:30 AM   #37 
  - It's long past time when we can blame Republicans.  EFerrari   Apr-25-11 12:40 AM   #39 
  - Exactly what I've been thinking for some time. All that their secrecy does  truth2power   Apr-25-11 05:17 AM   #58 
  - +1  leftstreet   Apr-25-11 01:14 PM   #103 
  - their own crimes being exposed  librechik   Apr-25-11 12:30 PM   #100 
  - don't worry! Obama will close it ANY DAY now.  Bluebear   Apr-25-11 12:41 AM   #40 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Apr-25-11 01:33 AM   #45 
  - Evidently, we pulled in something like 140,000 + people ... many were basically "bought" --  defendandprotect   Apr-25-11 01:46 AM   #46 
  - And many were saying this would happen even before the war start, and certainly while it was  Hissyspit   Apr-25-11 04:52 AM   #57 
  - K&R. nt  OnyxCollie   Apr-25-11 02:36 AM   #48 
  - Wikileaks is essential to real national security, IMHO.  grahamhgreen   Apr-25-11 02:45 AM   #50 
  - A bunch of low-level foot soldiers?  NuclearDem   Apr-25-11 03:47 AM   #52 
  - It's worse than that. Most of these people had nothing to do  EFerrari   Apr-25-11 08:59 AM   #72 
     - Exactly, in the class of herding goats in the wrong place at the wrong time, then maybe  L. Coyote   Apr-25-11 10:50 AM   #86 
  - Wikileaks: Many at Guantanamo 'not dangerous'  Snoutport   Apr-25-11 04:26 AM   #53 
  - k/r  defendandprotect   Apr-25-11 04:26 AM   #54 
  - WikiLeaks discloses new details on whereabouts of al-Qaeda leaders on 9/11  alp227   Apr-25-11 04:27 AM   #55 
  - ah......"informants"  Scottybeamer70   Apr-25-11 04:27 AM   #56 
  - 'US knew Guantanamo detainees were innocent'  Judi Lynn   Apr-25-11 05:35 AM   #59 
  - Glenn Geenwald: If Bradley Manning did what's accused, he imposed more transparency on the world's  Hissyspit   Apr-25-11 06:45 AM   #60 
  - Glenn Greenwald: WikiLeaks has generated more newsworthy scoops over the last year than all media ou  Hissyspit   Apr-25-11 06:49 AM   #61 
  - I wish I could recommend this thread over and over again.  Solly Mack   Apr-25-11 07:13 AM   #65 
  - K & R  Raksha   Apr-25-11 07:20 AM   #66 
  - K & R  dipsydoodle   Apr-25-11 08:11 AM   #67 
  - K & R  Better Believe It   Apr-25-11 08:46 AM   #68 
  - We have always been at war with Eastasia.  Javaman   Apr-25-11 08:46 AM   #69 
  - Another kick!  tekisui   Apr-25-11 08:58 AM   #71 
  - Does anyone have any idea why the US did this?  KansDem   Apr-25-11 09:01 AM   #73 
  - Maybe the MIC was running out of enemies and was afraid of being defunded?  azul   Apr-25-11 09:31 AM   #74 
  - They did it to provide visible evidence to the sheep that there was a real reason to feel fear.  GliderGuider   Apr-25-11 09:40 AM   #75 
  - del.  polly7   Apr-25-11 11:16 AM   #93 
  - BushCo cronies made brazillions off of the War on Terra.  EFerrari   Apr-25-11 09:51 AM   #76 
  - All of the above. Plus, they did it because they could.  Auggie   Apr-25-11 10:05 AM   #77 
  - And got away with it scot-free.  Amonester   Apr-25-11 10:44 AM   #82 
  - Rumsfeld and Cheney are sadists.  EFerrari   Apr-25-11 10:53 AM   #87 
     - I'm sure they also viewed it as "opportunity" to experiment  Auggie   Apr-25-11 01:25 PM   #105 
  - Marketing. Doing it made it clear to the enemy and the sheeple that the U.S.  harun   Apr-25-11 10:48 AM   #84 
  - Locked people in Gitmo?  Recursion   Apr-25-11 11:59 AM   #98 
  - "Geneva rules didn't have this kind of conflict in mind"  liberation   Apr-25-11 02:55 PM   #108 
     - OK, what do you do with captured combatants...  Recursion   Apr-25-11 03:32 PM   #110 
        - Maybe you should ask that question to the framers of the US constitution  liberation   Apr-25-11 04:03 PM   #112 
           - If you're going to excoriate people, I think you need to come up with a better idea  Recursion   Apr-25-11 04:07 PM   #113 
              - It is not about "what I would do with them" but what the US government can't do  liberation   Apr-25-11 04:11 PM   #114 
                 - You can hold POWs until the hostilities cease  Recursion   Apr-25-11 04:13 PM   #116 
                    - You need to declare a war first before you can detain people as POWs  liberation   Apr-25-11 04:22 PM   #117 
                       - How does Geneva Convention  orangeapple   Apr-25-11 05:40 PM   #127 
                          - Gee wiz... everything must be so fuzzy with such lack of reading and comprehension.  liberation   Apr-25-11 06:06 PM   #131 
                             - The detainees aren't accused of "crimes"  Recursion   Apr-25-11 06:51 PM   #134 
  - Trial balloon.  liberation   Apr-25-11 02:50 PM   #107 
  - Sounds like the perfect place  JEB   Apr-25-11 10:19 AM   #78 
  - CONGRESSIONAL INVESTIGATION NOW!!  L. Coyote   Apr-25-11 10:46 AM   #83 
  - Pelosi did squat about Sami al Haj or anything else related to Gitmo.  EFerrari   Apr-25-11 11:14 AM   #90 
  - K/R  defendandprotect   Apr-25-11 11:01 AM   #88 
  - On the one hand, it's about time this had light shed on it,  tavalon   Apr-25-11 11:15 AM   #92 
  - I remember when the first prisoners were released after several months  lebkuchen   Apr-25-11 01:28 PM   #106 
  - This is such a tough thing ot handle....  Corruption Winz   Apr-25-11 02:56 PM   #109 
  - Yep. Too bad Congress prevented them from being tried in civilian courts  Recursion   Apr-25-11 04:12 PM   #115 
  - K&R  raouldukelives   Apr-25-11 04:43 PM   #121 

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