TheWraith
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Tue Apr-12-11 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #9 |
| 28. Can I get a "hell yeah" from the audience? |
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"The willingness of so many people to write for nothing has damaged professional writing beyond what you would believe. I have many friends who have been professional writers for many years, who are now working for pennies a word, since there are so many people working for nothing."
I've been doing technology journalism for almost nine years, much of that with one organization and a few of their websites. A little over two years ago, I was salaried with them, and had been promised a promotion to editor of my own site within the year. Post meltdown, that went away, and I've been trying to freelance ever since. But in an era where the internet makes everyone think that they're a writer, or qualified to communicate, it's ridiculously hard to get any kind of respect for the idea of writing for cash.
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| -AOL, Arianna Huffington Hit with Class Action Suit |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Apr-12-11 11:38 AM |
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Defense attorney says: |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 11:42 AM |
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Not so fast MM. Have a look at these two cases. |
Wilms |
Apr-12-11 11:48 AM |
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I'm a professional journalist, and have been since 1974. |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 11:57 AM |
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I do, in fact, feel discomfort with the dumbing down of lots of professions via the underpaid. |
Wilms |
Apr-12-11 12:04 PM |
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I don't know if they signed away copyright. It doesn't matter, |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 12:50 PM |
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The entire business model has collapsed and you blame writers? |
EFerrari |
Apr-12-11 12:49 PM |
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The demand for written content has never been larger. |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 12:54 PM |
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No, it's not the willingness of writers to be unpaid that tanked |
EFerrari |
Apr-12-11 01:00 PM |
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Hello? Did you read MM's responses? Apparently not. |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-12-11 02:08 PM |
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I sure did and that narrative puts the cart before the horse. |
EFerrari |
Apr-12-11 02:32 PM |
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Unskilled yokels? Really? |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 02:35 PM |
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You might try rereading my post with some of those years worth of experience. |
EFerrari |
Apr-12-11 02:44 PM |
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No thanks. I saw my error. I just haven't edited it yet. |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 02:48 PM |
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So you got paid to write this that I'm responding to? |
harmonicon |
Apr-12-11 03:15 PM |
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YOU are the reason the New York Times can't hire writers!!! |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 09:48 AM |
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?! nt. |
harmonicon |
Apr-13-11 10:06 AM |
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My joke's a failure I guess. (I was agreeing with you.) |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 10:41 AM |
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It wasn't a failure. |
ronnie624 |
Apr-13-11 12:57 PM |
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Amusing?! You call that a "joke"? I wasn't even paid to write it! |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 01:09 PM |
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sorry |
harmonicon |
Apr-13-11 03:48 PM |
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I agree, MM, and I refuse to write for free unless it's an occasional op-ed |
wordpix |
Apr-13-11 07:42 AM |
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You're writing for free right now. Or did you get paid for the post? |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 11:43 AM |
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Thank-you from a photographer now quasi replaced by free photos online.... |
robinlynne |
Apr-12-11 06:40 PM |
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I made most of my money translating, now largely replaced by these un-idiomatic Google translations. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 09:53 AM |
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agreed. |
robinlynne |
Apr-13-11 11:12 AM |
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Can I get a "hell yeah" from the audience? |
TheWraith |
Apr-12-11 01:08 PM |
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It is hard for writers to get respect, because a lot of the consumers |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 01:59 PM |
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It's always been hard for writers to get respect. That's not new. n/t |
EFerrari |
Apr-12-11 02:33 PM |
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So it has. Just as I said. |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 02:37 PM |
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So, let me get this straight. |
merh |
Apr-12-11 09:46 PM |
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Do you demand respect for replacement workers during a strike? |
TheWraith |
Apr-13-11 03:38 PM |
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No one hired the folks and asked them to post at HuffPo. |
merh |
Apr-13-11 06:33 PM |
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Media outlets weren't "looking" to be bought out, they just WERE bought out. |
TheWraith |
Apr-14-11 02:00 AM |
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This may be your experience with your "consumers," but it hasn't been mine with my readers. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 05:47 PM |
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Wow. |
Bluenorthwest |
Apr-12-11 01:09 PM |
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Actually, no, I wouldn't take exception to that. In fact, I'm the |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 01:56 PM |
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if you choose to write on a voluntary basis/understanding and |
katty |
Apr-12-11 11:53 AM |
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Yup! |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 11:58 AM |
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Not if the site owner represented to you |
EFerrari |
Apr-12-11 12:54 PM |
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this writer had 6 yrs. to stop writing for HuffPo and NOW says the org profited |
wordpix |
Apr-13-11 07:46 AM |
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Yeah, I'm gonna sue Facebook for profiting from all my witty comments |
progressoid |
Apr-12-11 12:28 PM |
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Good luck with all that. |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 12:55 PM |
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The case takes place in a court, not in your imagination. Tasini knows what he's doing. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-12-11 01:10 PM |
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I don't believe your facts are accurate. |
merh |
Apr-12-11 10:55 PM |
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The vast majority of content on HuffPo was never paid for. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 12:24 AM |
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The content is not what is of value |
merh |
Apr-13-11 12:58 AM |
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Fine, you're arguing for the defendant and think you've "totally destroyed" the plaintiff. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 09:42 AM |
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Where the hell do you get the conclusions found in your reply? |
merh |
Apr-13-11 10:16 AM |
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I've been civil to you and it's sad that you resort to characterizations by remote viewing. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 10:37 AM |
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The "totally destroys" comment I made was not about the plaintiffs' case |
merh |
Apr-13-11 12:34 PM |
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ha ha ha ha |
some guy |
Apr-12-11 02:57 PM |
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Nice burn. |
joshcryer |
Apr-13-11 12:43 AM |
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I'm still waiting for Skinner to pay me for all my witty commentary here |
snooper2 |
Apr-12-11 11:44 AM |
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It will be included in the check for your beer money & travel expenses |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-12-11 11:47 AM |
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Godamn it, don't bring him on this thread....n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-12-11 01:44 PM |
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Hahaha. |
progressoid |
Apr-12-11 05:24 PM |
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We're all still waiting for the "witty commentary".... |
hlthe2b |
Apr-12-11 11:48 AM |
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Class Action Suit!!! |
Wait Wut |
Apr-12-11 11:53 AM |
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Did Skinner sell Democratic Underground for $300 million? |
JackRiddler |
Apr-12-11 01:12 PM |
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yes, but I hear 97% of that money came from the DoD, (via Obama) |
snooper2 |
Apr-12-11 01:46 PM |
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DUzy Awards aren't bringing what they used to on Ebay. |
MilesColtrane |
Apr-12-11 02:36 PM |
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Folks likely wanked off now that Huffington is out of the closet as a full-on RepubliCorp catapult |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-12-11 11:46 AM |
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She was always a Republican. Always. I knew her in |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 11:59 AM |
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Going occult is a Republicon speciality. Huffington is just now being exposed |
SpiralHawk |
Apr-12-11 12:15 PM |
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Whats that old saying ? |
AsahinaKimi |
Apr-12-11 12:32 PM |
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Deceived? Wasn't she a vocal McCain supporter? nt. |
harmonicon |
Apr-12-11 03:16 PM |
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I wonder if anyone will notice. |
closeupready |
Apr-12-11 12:19 PM |
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Hahahahahaha! |
SoapBox |
Apr-12-11 12:19 PM |
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.... |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-12-11 12:40 PM |
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You've got that write! ;-) N/T |
BillyJack |
Apr-12-11 01:02 PM |
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Barnum. Pure Barnum. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-12-11 01:49 PM |
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I repeatedly called it the Palin Post |
JJW |
Apr-12-11 12:54 PM |
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It's the shareholders who should be suing AOL over this deal. |
leveymg |
Apr-12-11 12:57 PM |
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The HuffHo is like every other institution in this culture any more. |
EFerrari |
Apr-12-11 01:09 PM |
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Thats why I left HPO last year. |
fredamae |
Apr-12-11 09:16 PM |
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Now ain't that the truth. Thanks for a laugh. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-12-11 01:12 PM |
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If you don't want to work for free, don't work for free. n/t |
Corruption Winz |
Apr-12-11 01:23 PM |
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+1: couldn't have said it better myself. nt. |
harmonicon |
Apr-12-11 03:18 PM |
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If you don't want to be noticed exploiting free patsies, don't sell their work for $300 million. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-12-11 04:12 PM |
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Arianna can claim there was nothing worth paying for, |
msanthrope |
Apr-12-11 01:55 PM |
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Based on much that was posted here from that site, |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 02:01 PM |
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One wonders when some posters here figure that out about FDL. |
msanthrope |
Apr-12-11 04:07 PM |
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You mean that rag run by Hampster & Grover Norquist? |
Tarheel_Dem |
Apr-12-11 04:34 PM |
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Yes--the breathlessly quoted, poorly sourced revenue maker for |
msanthrope |
Apr-12-11 04:39 PM |
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I have no idea. Some already have, though, I'm sure. |
MineralMan |
Apr-12-11 06:40 PM |
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not any more, actually. not by the rules of the market. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-12-11 04:18 PM |
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Oh, please--they still have woo by the shitload. n/t |
msanthrope |
Apr-12-11 04:40 PM |
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How is that relevant to the price AOL paid? |
JackRiddler |
Apr-12-11 10:24 PM |
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good, |
Hannah Bell |
Apr-12-11 02:59 PM |
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Best comment here and very wise of you not to get into the muck... |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 01:13 PM |
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Since she started the Post I would not rave about it or even go to it. I felt out of it compared |
peacetalksforall |
Apr-12-11 03:02 PM |
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Name removed |
Apr-12-11 03:57 PM |
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Arianna is nothing but a corpoRAT hypocrite. |
Dappleganger |
Apr-12-11 04:37 PM |
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Given HuffPo's bloggers..... |
Keith Bee |
Apr-12-11 07:17 PM |
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For what it's worth, I can never wean myself from DU, but I was gone from HuffPost 100% in two days |
closeupready |
Apr-12-11 09:45 PM |
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Jonathan Tasini used to head the National Writers Union |
Kat45 |
Apr-13-11 01:16 AM |
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I'm no lawyer, but I don't see how they have a case. |
Akoto |
Apr-13-11 10:51 AM |
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Prediction: Huffington will settle, come up with a set of rules for sharing revenue with writers. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 11:04 AM |
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Very humorous. |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Apr-13-11 11:15 AM |
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Surely the funniest part is $315 million dollars... from AOL, specialists in folly. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-13-11 01:30 PM |
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"AOL, specialist in folly. I like that! |
Lone_Star_Dem |
Apr-13-11 02:36 PM |
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It's even worse than everyone thinks - she's a "slave driver" apparently |
Trikatnieks |
Apr-13-11 01:27 PM |
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They don't have a case |
WatsonT |
Apr-14-11 09:56 AM |
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Insofar as there were no contracts, they may well have a case. |
JackRiddler |
Apr-14-11 11:08 AM |
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