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Mon Apr-11-11 05:43 PM
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| 47. French 'Burqa ban' is simply a strike against a minority in France's culture wars. |
| -'Burqa ban' in France: housewife vows to face jail rather than submit |
Lars77 |
Apr-11-11 06:14 AM |
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Woman in full face-veil is arrested at Avignon station |
Bosonic |
Apr-11-11 06:18 AM |
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Will this be the precursor to riots? nt |
LARED |
Apr-11-11 06:28 AM |
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Not clear Sarkozy will tolerate them |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Apr-11-11 08:18 AM |
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no |
harmonicon |
Apr-11-11 08:23 AM |
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Euronews: Face veil protesters detained as French ban begins |
pampango |
Apr-11-11 08:28 AM |
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If women won't quit wearing that stuff, lock 'em up |
jberryhill |
Apr-11-11 08:36 AM |
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Great point. France doesn't tell women what to do with their bodies ... just what to wear. |
pampango |
Apr-11-11 08:52 AM |
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Government already has laws that govern how women can dress in the public square |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-11-11 09:23 AM |
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Who says I'm opposed to letting women go topless to court? |
onenote |
Apr-11-11 10:16 AM |
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riderinthestorm |
trud |
Apr-11-11 12:32 PM |
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Sorry trud, but the govt already has a say in what you wear, there are laws on it. nt |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-11-11 07:25 PM |
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Do those laws target the clothing of an ethnic minority, or are they based on another rationale? |
jberryhill |
Apr-12-11 02:18 PM |
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I've read most of your other posts on this topic, and this is the first I agree with, |
closeupready |
Apr-11-11 01:49 PM |
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Except France did have a woman prime minister |
Laughing Mirror |
Apr-11-11 05:35 PM |
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She was just a figurehead. I mean someone like Bhutto, |
closeupready |
Apr-11-11 09:01 PM |
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Pakistan had a female prime minister that was assassinated |
maxsolomon |
Apr-11-11 08:24 PM |
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Not during either her first or her second terms, sweetie. |
closeupready |
Apr-11-11 09:02 PM |
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So her assassination doesn't count because she wasn't in office? |
maxsolomon |
Apr-12-11 08:41 PM |
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You're off on a tangent somewhere, so I get why you are confused. |
closeupready |
Apr-13-11 04:14 PM |
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"Why are you suddenly all supportive of this most misogynistic garment?" |
jberryhill |
Apr-11-11 02:13 PM |
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Then you are consistent. Most of the other posters on this topic are not. |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-11-11 07:28 PM |
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That garment is understood as a rejection of colonial oppression by many who wear it. |
antigone382 |
Apr-11-11 04:54 PM |
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Oh FFS! It's a cultural icon of the Bedoin tribes! It has nothing to do with politics! |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-11-11 07:35 PM |
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But the law was nevertheless designed with the burka in mind. |
antigone382 |
Apr-11-11 08:00 PM |
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If I haven't made myself perfectly clear before, let me state it upfront, I know it's about burka |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-11-11 08:19 PM |
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The story I refer to was from a published ethnography, and likely cannot be found online. |
antigone382 |
Apr-11-11 08:58 PM |
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You can however, liberate women via laws that regulate behavior that is unhealthy for women |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-11-11 09:26 PM |
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I found a PDF of the article online, to my surprise. |
antigone382 |
Apr-12-11 01:48 PM |
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"the most misogynistic garment" |
jberryhill |
Apr-12-11 02:15 PM |
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I'd nominate Catholic nun outfits |
Bragi |
Apr-12-11 09:32 PM |
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Well said |
leftynyc |
Apr-12-11 03:53 PM |
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Yeah.. |
sendero |
Apr-11-11 05:21 PM |
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Then you make a law about forcing other people - you don't freaking arrest the women |
jberryhill |
Apr-12-11 10:06 AM |
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There is already a law for that. I think the fine is 30,000 Euros... |
Lost-in-FL |
Apr-12-11 10:57 AM |
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Then why fine the women? |
jberryhill |
Apr-12-11 02:11 PM |
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Let's wait and see how the law is implemented. |
Lost-in-FL |
Apr-12-11 03:42 PM |
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19 women have been arrested so far |
jberryhill |
Apr-13-11 01:10 PM |
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Right? Meanwhile, down on Rue St. Denis, love is for sale, |
closeupready |
Apr-13-11 04:02 PM |
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Their "choice" to break the law. |
Lost-in-FL |
Apr-13-11 08:47 PM |
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.......... |
krabigirl |
Apr-12-11 03:11 PM |
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Good for France... |
cosmicone |
Apr-11-11 08:46 AM |
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some people want freedom to dress yet deny that same freedom to others nt |
msongs |
Apr-11-11 09:01 AM |
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And exactly what would happen to a woman |
SheilaT |
Apr-11-11 09:10 AM |
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So the universal standard of liberty should be based on that in fundamentalist countries? |
onenote |
Apr-11-11 10:17 AM |
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Same thing that happens to any person which violates the local laws |
jberryhill |
Apr-11-11 03:28 PM |
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Muslim Extremists have taken away many rights including this one. |
jeremyfive |
Apr-11-11 09:15 AM |
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I imagine you believe |
LanternWaste |
Apr-11-11 01:02 PM |
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The nun's habit does not obscure the face. Burka and niqab do. That's the difference |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-11-11 07:37 PM |
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As you perceive this as a security measure... |
LanternWaste |
Apr-12-11 02:16 PM |
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What is the security issue with clothing? |
jberryhill |
Apr-11-11 03:29 PM |
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face covering is not in the Q'uran |
onlyadream |
Apr-11-11 09:40 AM |
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+1 |
Texano78704 |
Apr-11-11 11:57 AM |
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And that is relevant to what? |
jberryhill |
Apr-11-11 03:31 PM |
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It's relevant for two reasons |
onlyadream |
Apr-11-11 03:45 PM |
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large crucifixes ARE banned in France. |
provis99 |
Apr-12-11 03:09 PM |
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Good for those women I say! |
nalnn |
Apr-11-11 09:41 AM |
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Does she not realize by wearing it she is already submitting? |
truebrit71 |
Apr-11-11 10:21 AM |
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Apr-11-11 10:36 AM |
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As opposed to brainwashed people who think the state should control what people wear? |
krabigirl |
Apr-12-11 03:18 PM |
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Release some people from their chains and they'll rush back to put them back on. |
FLPanhandle |
Apr-11-11 10:58 AM |
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Lol, if you read it, you would see that she chose to wear the veil. |
krabigirl |
Apr-12-11 03:17 PM |
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NO BURQA... and those stinking Yarmuka... and unholy bikini... and tattoo... oh.... now i see... |
goobergoober01 |
Apr-11-11 11:23 AM |
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Your post is laughable |
leftynyc |
Apr-11-11 12:31 PM |
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good for you, Goober! |
trud |
Apr-11-11 12:34 PM |
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Welcome to DU! |
Turborama |
Apr-11-11 01:01 PM |
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You can stop with the religious garment thing, because there is NO |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-11-11 01:42 PM |
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If you are against women wearing a burqa because of the symbolism... |
skirt6 |
Apr-11-11 03:05 PM |
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Again, this is NOT about Islam. It is about a small, repressive, |
RaleighNCDUer |
Apr-11-11 03:32 PM |
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We do not indict organizations or classes of people for offenses |
jberryhill |
Apr-11-11 03:38 PM |
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next up: let's tell the Amish how to dress |
onenote |
Apr-11-11 03:42 PM |
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any man who tells women they can't cut their hair,knows nothing about hair. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Apr-11-11 09:50 PM |
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I must be too young to remember anything about FLDS- |
skirt6 |
Apr-11-11 04:02 PM |
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There is NO religious requirement to wear crucifix jewelry either |
jberryhill |
Apr-11-11 03:36 PM |
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Well said! |
Adsos Letter |
Apr-11-11 05:09 PM |
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We already have laws on the books that restrict women being able to do as they please |
riderinthestorm |
Apr-11-11 07:41 PM |
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Schools are a different environment than the general public |
jberryhill |
Apr-12-11 10:03 AM |
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So then you believe the French prohibition against wearing one will result in... |
LanternWaste |
Apr-11-11 05:11 PM |
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I'm a little shocked myself that France would be the first. |
The Backlash Cometh |
Apr-11-11 12:40 PM |
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I applaud Ms. Drider. |
closeupready |
Apr-11-11 01:15 PM |
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French 'Burqa ban' is simply a strike against a minority in France's culture wars. |
Adsos Letter |
Apr-11-11 05:43 PM |
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No... it is about protecting the principles of a secular society... |
Lost-in-FL |
Apr-12-11 11:07 AM |
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Are you free to walk around naked in the US ? |
dipsydoodle |
Apr-11-11 06:03 PM |
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We are all nekked under our clothes! |
RedCloud |
Apr-12-11 12:49 PM |
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Unlike in the US, in FR, bigots are not free to exercise their bigotry based on beliefs |
Lost-in-FL |
Apr-12-11 12:59 PM |
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Well, France doesn't and probably never will have gay marriage, unions, yes, but not marriage. |
krabigirl |
Apr-12-11 03:16 PM |
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Marriage have religious origins while civil unions are legally bound??? |
Lost-in-FL |
Apr-12-11 03:39 PM |
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Burka okay if just a deviant few adopt it |
Bragi |
Apr-12-11 01:18 PM |
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so you don't mind oppression, as long as its somewhat limited. |
provis99 |
Apr-12-11 03:11 PM |
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I'm prepared to be tolerant, that's all |
Bragi |
Apr-12-11 05:05 PM |
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As a muslim woman, she has spent her entire life "submitting" |
scheming daemons |
Apr-12-11 03:10 PM |
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If you read the article, you would see that she didn't grow up veiled. She chose this as an adult. |
krabigirl |
Apr-12-11 03:14 PM |
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Good for her! Sarko's pandering to the racist far right is disgusting. |
krabigirl |
Apr-12-11 03:11 PM |
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Bomb Turkey |
zane25 |
Apr-12-11 06:27 PM |
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Well, the state should punish women who are doing as their keepers command. |
closeupready |
Apr-13-11 04:05 PM |
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She is in jail already. The burqa is it's own prison sentence. |
babydollhead |
Apr-13-11 04:09 PM |
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I assume she follows Islam, a word that means surrender/submission |
WatsonT |
Apr-14-11 09:59 AM |
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