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onlyadream Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-11-11 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #35
40. It's relevant for two reasons
1. If everyone dressed like that, it will make identification impossible. Imagine everyone's driver's license or library card. Useless.
2. Not being able to hear the person under a all that material might not be a matter of life or death, but if everyone dressed like that (again), there would be problems. If I'm behind the counter at a store (for example) and I'm trying to understand what the person under the face veil is saying, I'll be at a loss.

I'm all for personal expression, but where safety is concerned, then one needs to think twice.
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  -'Burqa ban' in France: housewife vows to face jail rather than submit Lars77  Apr-11-11 06:14 AM   #0 
  - Woman in full face-veil is arrested at Avignon station  Bosonic   Apr-11-11 06:18 AM   #1 
  - Will this be the precursor to riots? nt  LARED   Apr-11-11 06:28 AM   #2 
     - Not clear Sarkozy will tolerate them  ProgressiveProfessor   Apr-11-11 08:18 AM   #3 
     - no  harmonicon   Apr-11-11 08:23 AM   #4 
  - Euronews: Face veil protesters detained as French ban begins  pampango   Apr-11-11 08:28 AM   #5 
  - If women won't quit wearing that stuff, lock 'em up  jberryhill   Apr-11-11 08:36 AM   #6 
  - Great point. France doesn't tell women what to do with their bodies ... just what to wear.  pampango   Apr-11-11 08:52 AM   #8 
  - Government already has laws that govern how women can dress in the public square  riderinthestorm   Apr-11-11 09:23 AM   #12 
  - Who says I'm opposed to letting women go topless to court?  onenote   Apr-11-11 10:16 AM   #15 
  - riderinthestorm  trud   Apr-11-11 12:32 PM   #23 
  - Sorry trud, but the govt already has a say in what you wear, there are laws on it. nt  riderinthestorm   Apr-11-11 07:25 PM   #49 
     - Do those laws target the clothing of an ethnic minority, or are they based on another rationale?  jberryhill   Apr-12-11 02:18 PM   #73 
  - I've read most of your other posts on this topic, and this is the first I agree with,  closeupready   Apr-11-11 01:49 PM   #30 
  - Except France did have a woman prime minister  Laughing Mirror   Apr-11-11 05:35 PM   #46 
  - She was just a figurehead. I mean someone like Bhutto,  closeupready   Apr-11-11 09:01 PM   #58 
  - Pakistan had a female prime minister that was assassinated  maxsolomon   Apr-11-11 08:24 PM   #56 
     - Not during either her first or her second terms, sweetie.  closeupready   Apr-11-11 09:02 PM   #59 
        - So her assassination doesn't count because she wasn't in office?  maxsolomon   Apr-12-11 08:41 PM   #87 
           - You're off on a tangent somewhere, so I get why you are confused.  closeupready   Apr-13-11 04:14 PM   #93 
  - "Why are you suddenly all supportive of this most misogynistic garment?"  jberryhill   Apr-11-11 02:13 PM   #31 
  - Then you are consistent. Most of the other posters on this topic are not.  riderinthestorm   Apr-11-11 07:28 PM   #50 
  - That garment is understood as a rejection of colonial oppression by many who wear it.  antigone382   Apr-11-11 04:54 PM   #42 
     - Oh FFS! It's a cultural icon of the Bedoin tribes! It has nothing to do with politics!  riderinthestorm   Apr-11-11 07:35 PM   #51 
        - But the law was nevertheless designed with the burka in mind.  antigone382   Apr-11-11 08:00 PM   #54 
        - If I haven't made myself perfectly clear before, let me state it upfront, I know it's about burka  riderinthestorm   Apr-11-11 08:19 PM   #55 
           - The story I refer to was from a published ethnography, and likely cannot be found online.  antigone382   Apr-11-11 08:58 PM   #57 
              - You can however, liberate women via laws that regulate behavior that is unhealthy for women  riderinthestorm   Apr-11-11 09:26 PM   #60 
                 - I found a PDF of the article online, to my surprise.  antigone382   Apr-12-11 01:48 PM   #69 
                 - "the most misogynistic garment"  jberryhill   Apr-12-11 02:15 PM   #71 
                    - I'd nominate Catholic nun outfits  Bragi   Apr-12-11 09:32 PM   #88 
        - Well said  leftynyc   Apr-12-11 03:53 PM   #84 
  - Yeah..  sendero   Apr-11-11 05:21 PM   #45 
  - Then you make a law about forcing other people - you don't freaking arrest the women  jberryhill   Apr-12-11 10:06 AM   #63 
     - There is already a law for that. I think the fine is 30,000 Euros...  Lost-in-FL   Apr-12-11 10:57 AM   #64 
        - Then why fine the women?  jberryhill   Apr-12-11 02:11 PM   #70 
           - Let's wait and see how the law is implemented.  Lost-in-FL   Apr-12-11 03:42 PM   #83 
              - 19 women have been arrested so far  jberryhill   Apr-13-11 01:10 PM   #89 
                 - Right? Meanwhile, down on Rue St. Denis, love is for sale,  closeupready   Apr-13-11 04:02 PM   #90 
                 - Their "choice" to break the law.  Lost-in-FL   Apr-13-11 08:47 PM   #94 
  - ..........  krabigirl   Apr-12-11 03:11 PM   #77 
  - Good for France...  cosmicone   Apr-11-11 08:46 AM   #7 
  - some people want freedom to dress yet deny that same freedom to others nt  msongs   Apr-11-11 09:01 AM   #9 
  - And exactly what would happen to a woman  SheilaT   Apr-11-11 09:10 AM   #10 
  - So the universal standard of liberty should be based on that in fundamentalist countries?  onenote   Apr-11-11 10:17 AM   #16 
  - Same thing that happens to any person which violates the local laws  jberryhill   Apr-11-11 03:28 PM   #33 
  - Muslim Extremists have taken away many rights including this one.  jeremyfive   Apr-11-11 09:15 AM   #11 
  - I imagine you believe  LanternWaste   Apr-11-11 01:02 PM   #27 
  - The nun's habit does not obscure the face. Burka and niqab do. That's the difference  riderinthestorm   Apr-11-11 07:37 PM   #52 
     - As you perceive this as a security measure...  LanternWaste   Apr-12-11 02:16 PM   #72 
  - What is the security issue with clothing?  jberryhill   Apr-11-11 03:29 PM   #34 
  - face covering is not in the Q'uran  onlyadream   Apr-11-11 09:40 AM   #13 
  - +1  Texano78704   Apr-11-11 11:57 AM   #21 
  - And that is relevant to what?  jberryhill   Apr-11-11 03:31 PM   #35 
     - It's relevant for two reasons  onlyadream   Apr-11-11 03:45 PM   #40 
     - large crucifixes ARE banned in France.  provis99   Apr-12-11 03:09 PM   #74 
  - Good for those women I say!  nalnn   Apr-11-11 09:41 AM   #14 
  - Does she not realize by wearing it she is already submitting?  truebrit71   Apr-11-11 10:21 AM   #17 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Apr-11-11 10:36 AM   #18 
  - As opposed to brainwashed people who think the state should control what people wear?  krabigirl   Apr-12-11 03:18 PM   #81 
  - Release some people from their chains and they'll rush back to put them back on.  FLPanhandle   Apr-11-11 10:58 AM   #19 
  - Lol, if you read it, you would see that she chose to wear the veil.  krabigirl   Apr-12-11 03:17 PM   #80 
  - NO BURQA... and those stinking Yarmuka... and unholy bikini... and tattoo... oh.... now i see...  goobergoober01   Apr-11-11 11:23 AM   #20 
  - Your post is laughable  leftynyc   Apr-11-11 12:31 PM   #22 
  - good for you, Goober!  trud   Apr-11-11 12:34 PM   #24 
  - Welcome to DU!  Turborama   Apr-11-11 01:01 PM   #26 
  - You can stop with the religious garment thing, because there is NO  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-11-11 01:42 PM   #29 
     - If you are against women wearing a burqa because of the symbolism...  skirt6   Apr-11-11 03:05 PM   #32 
     - Again, this is NOT about Islam. It is about a small, repressive,  RaleighNCDUer   Apr-11-11 03:32 PM   #36 
        - We do not indict organizations or classes of people for offenses  jberryhill   Apr-11-11 03:38 PM   #38 
        - next up: let's tell the Amish how to dress  onenote   Apr-11-11 03:42 PM   #39 
        - any man who tells women they can't cut their hair,knows nothing about hair.  Manifestor_of_Light   Apr-11-11 09:50 PM   #61 
        - I must be too young to remember anything about FLDS-  skirt6   Apr-11-11 04:02 PM   #41 
     - There is NO religious requirement to wear crucifix jewelry either  jberryhill   Apr-11-11 03:36 PM   #37 
     - Well said!  Adsos Letter   Apr-11-11 05:09 PM   #43 
     - We already have laws on the books that restrict women being able to do as they please  riderinthestorm   Apr-11-11 07:41 PM   #53 
        - Schools are a different environment than the general public  jberryhill   Apr-12-11 10:03 AM   #62 
     - So then you believe the French prohibition against wearing one will result in...  LanternWaste   Apr-11-11 05:11 PM   #44 
  - I'm a little shocked myself that France would be the first.  The Backlash Cometh   Apr-11-11 12:40 PM   #25 
  - I applaud Ms. Drider.  closeupready   Apr-11-11 01:15 PM   #28 
  - French 'Burqa ban' is simply a strike against a minority in France's culture wars.  Adsos Letter   Apr-11-11 05:43 PM   #47 
  - No... it is about protecting the principles of a secular society...  Lost-in-FL   Apr-12-11 11:07 AM   #65 
  - Are you free to walk around naked in the US ?  dipsydoodle   Apr-11-11 06:03 PM   #48 
  - We are all nekked under our clothes!  RedCloud   Apr-12-11 12:49 PM   #66 
  - Unlike in the US, in FR, bigots are not free to exercise their bigotry based on beliefs  Lost-in-FL   Apr-12-11 12:59 PM   #67 
  - Well, France doesn't and probably never will have gay marriage, unions, yes, but not marriage.  krabigirl   Apr-12-11 03:16 PM   #79 
     - Marriage have religious origins while civil unions are legally bound???  Lost-in-FL   Apr-12-11 03:39 PM   #82 
  - Burka okay if just a deviant few adopt it  Bragi   Apr-12-11 01:18 PM   #68 
  - so you don't mind oppression, as long as its somewhat limited.  provis99   Apr-12-11 03:11 PM   # 
     - I'm prepared to be tolerant, that's all  Bragi   Apr-12-11 05:05 PM   #85 
  - As a muslim woman, she has spent her entire life "submitting"  scheming daemons   Apr-12-11 03:10 PM   #75 
  - If you read the article, you would see that she didn't grow up veiled. She chose this as an adult.  krabigirl   Apr-12-11 03:14 PM   #78 
  - Good for her! Sarko's pandering to the racist far right is disgusting.  krabigirl   Apr-12-11 03:11 PM   #76 
  - Bomb Turkey  zane25   Apr-12-11 06:27 PM   #86 
  - Well, the state should punish women who are doing as their keepers command.  closeupready   Apr-13-11 04:05 PM   #91 
  - She is in jail already. The burqa is it's own prison sentence.  babydollhead   Apr-13-11 04:09 PM   #92 
  - I assume she follows Islam, a word that means surrender/submission  WatsonT   Apr-14-11 09:59 AM   #95 

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