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Thu Mar-31-11 12:44 PM
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| 72. Not so simple. Start with the Constitution, which gives Congress the |
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Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 12:54 PM by No Elephants
EXCLUSIVE power to raise armies and navies (then being the only kind of troops known), the EXCLUSIVE power to declare war and the EXCLUSIVE power to fund wars (or anything else). And, subject to the foregoing exclusive powers of Congress, the President has Constitutional power as Commander in Chief of the troops (though Congress has power.
(That way, a good portion of the people who voted to declare war will answer for their votes at the polls within two years, at most.)
So far, so good, from the Continental Congress until 1950-1962 or so.
However, then came the Korean "Police Action" and the Vietnam Something or Other, where Presidents got us involved in wars without so much as a "by your leave" to Congress, raising serious Constitutional "questions, to put it euphemistically. So, we got the War Powers Resolution of 1963.
Btw, anything passed by Congress and signed by the President (or veto overridden) as the Constitution provides IS a law, regardless of whether they call it "law" or "resolution" or "Harry." However, as with any law, the question arises, "Is the War Powers Resolution a Constitutionally valid law, or does the War Powers Resolution conflict with/violate the Constitution?"
Some say, "It's Constitutional." Some say, "No, it provides for an unconstitutional delegation to the President of Congress' EXCLUSIVE power to declare war." Still others say, "No, it's an unconstitutional restriction on the powers of the President as Commander in Chief."
And, now, we have the Executive Branh not only starting a war without a delaration of war by Congress, as required by the Constitution, but also saying it will ignore Congress if Congress says "Stop," as the War Powers Resolution of 1963 gives Congress the power to do.
As I said, "Not so simple."
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| -Clinton To Congress: Obama Would Ignore Your War Resolutions |
kpete |
Mar-30-11 04:10 PM |
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It was a nice republic while it lasted. n/t |
EFerrari |
Mar-30-11 04:11 PM |
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No kidding. |
enlightenment |
Mar-30-11 04:14 PM |
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yep. because it most certainly is a republic no longer. |
ixion |
Mar-30-11 04:31 PM |
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I know when the republic died |
Baby Bear |
Mar-30-11 09:20 PM |
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Yes sireee. |
avaistheone1 |
Mar-31-11 10:12 AM |
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One more time, with feeling: The Presidency Should be Abolished |
Jack Rabbit |
Mar-31-11 02:19 PM |
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Clear, official notice that Obama thinks he's above the law |
FiveGoodMen |
Mar-30-11 04:12 PM |
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That notice came when he refused to prosecute BushCo. n/t |
EFerrari |
Mar-30-11 04:20 PM |
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The US has had an imperial presidency for a few decades now |
liberation |
Mar-30-11 04:20 PM |
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Nothing like what it has been since 911. Constitution in shreds. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 11:14 AM |
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Now that was Spinely to stick up for the Spineful President....indicating the GOP is flummoxed |
opihimoimoi |
Mar-30-11 04:15 PM |
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The US Constitution is becoming tattered and torn all in the name of |
lumpy |
Mar-30-11 04:31 PM |
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I don't think so.... |
opihimoimoi |
Mar-30-11 05:18 PM |
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The constitution has a clause to specifically prevent standing armies. |
caseymoz |
Mar-30-11 06:09 PM |
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No it doesn't |
ttwiddler |
Mar-30-11 10:56 PM |
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Sorry, you're so wrong, yes it does!! |
caseymoz |
Mar-31-11 09:49 AM |
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Legal constraints on executive power are silly? How Nixonian! |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 11:45 AM |
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Congress may authorize an army, but only for 2 years at a time. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 02:08 PM |
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Well, as long as YOU don't THINK so, it must be as you say. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 11:20 AM |
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don't know if you caught this or not, but brad sherman is a dem.. |
frylock |
Mar-30-11 05:09 PM |
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A tad supect despite his many years in office...but linked to Scientology thingy |
opihimoimoi |
Mar-30-11 05:23 PM |
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Of course your ad hominems and narrative are not suspect at all... |
liberation |
Mar-30-11 05:57 PM |
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The negative narrative in our society has reached imbalanced levels... |
opihimoimoi |
Mar-30-11 06:03 PM |
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Right... |
liberation |
Mar-30-11 06:06 PM |
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Lots of imbalance of all kinds. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 01:35 PM |
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suspect in what respect? |
frylock |
Mar-30-11 06:55 PM |
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A true believer automatically finds him suspect because he's not |
ThomCat |
Mar-31-11 09:50 AM |
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Remind us which President said he'd override a war vote by Congress. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 11:18 AM |
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The imperial presidency, an impeachable offense. |
Metta |
Mar-30-11 04:20 PM |
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So..... |
DeSwiss |
Mar-30-11 04:23 PM |
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Illegal shortcut to war. |
lumpy |
Mar-30-11 04:29 PM |
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I was sort of for this action on behalf of Libya before I'm now against it. I'm |
monmouth |
Mar-30-11 04:37 PM |
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and in breaking news, the President states he will simple ignore the Articles of Impeachment........ |
stockholmer |
Mar-30-11 04:40 PM |
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The repubs may attempt to impeach the President. nt |
Zorra |
Mar-30-11 04:44 PM |
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On what? |
Iliyah |
Mar-30-11 04:51 PM |
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You're assuming the Koch snorters are rational beings |
Jack Rabbit |
Mar-31-11 03:03 PM |
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we don`t have the ability to fight another land war... |
madrchsod |
Mar-30-11 05:05 PM |
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Hell, we do not have the ability to deal with Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan without driving our |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 11:51 AM |
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What? |
abelenkpe |
Mar-30-11 05:05 PM |
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decider 2: electric bugaloo |
frylock |
Mar-30-11 05:07 PM |
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Funny, his ardents are always claiming his powers are very |
Bluenorthwest |
Mar-30-11 05:19 PM |
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To be fair the extent of their stance has been that if Obama does it, it must be for a reason |
liberation |
Mar-30-11 06:02 PM |
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it will be even more entertaining when the self-fufilling prophecy of president palin.. |
frylock |
Mar-30-11 06:18 PM |
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OFGS...that Palin/Bachman thing is the Powers that Be Pushing to keep Obama in Power... |
KoKo |
Mar-31-11 09:16 PM |
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"Funny, his ardents are always claiming his powers are very limited" |
Gravel Democrat |
Mar-31-11 01:19 AM |
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It's also funny that the only time Obama shows a spine is when |
ThomCat |
Mar-31-11 09:55 AM |
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So long representative government the last nail went into your coffin. n/t |
abqmufc |
Mar-30-11 05:22 PM |
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I don't think a resolution carries the force of law. |
Wilms |
Mar-30-11 05:27 PM |
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Not so simple. Start with the Constitution, which gives Congress the |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 12:44 PM |
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Too late to edit, but year of War Powers Resolution is wrong. I apologize. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 01:53 PM |
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Thanks for the response. |
Wilms |
Mar-31-11 07:04 PM |
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Hope President Obama is enjoying his Nobel Peace Prize. |
democrank |
Mar-30-11 05:44 PM |
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I don't support Obama generally, nor do I support wars |
oNobodyo |
Mar-30-11 05:44 PM |
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Those of us who think that he should follow the War Powers Resolutions, |
amandabeech |
Mar-30-11 05:51 PM |
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"I don't support Obama generally, nor do I support wars..." |
liberation |
Mar-30-11 06:03 PM |
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True enough... |
oNobodyo |
Mar-30-11 06:24 PM |
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Based on what you've said, you support certain wars. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 01:20 PM |
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"So far Libya has been done correctly and it's saved lives." ???? |
Frank Ness |
Mar-31-11 10:06 AM |
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What in the Constitutiion gives the Senate authority to pass a Resolution like that? |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 01:07 PM |
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Name removed |
Mar-30-11 05:47 PM |
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oh for pity's sake. |
cali |
Mar-30-11 07:42 PM |
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Yeah, no shit |
Avant Guardian |
Mar-31-11 10:32 AM |
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It's awful, but the irony is bittersweet. |
caseymoz |
Mar-30-11 06:13 PM |
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This still getting to be a worse nighmare than the day before... |
bluesmail |
Mar-30-11 06:25 PM |
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"Fascism du jour." Did you just make that up? I'm jealous. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 01:43 PM |
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Okay hold it - since Reagan was in office we have been TOLD they could deploy |
underpants |
Mar-30-11 06:25 PM |
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It's 60, although that was an expansion, too, iirc. n/t |
EFerrari |
Mar-30-11 06:56 PM |
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Please see Reply 72. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 01:59 PM |
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Go ahead. Make him ignore them and then do what you need to do Congress |
Catherina |
Mar-30-11 07:36 PM |
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and what is it that you think they'd need to do? |
cali |
Mar-30-11 07:41 PM |
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Nothing will be done, except maybe more bloviating. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 02:54 PM |
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I'm not holding my breath either. n/t |
Catherina |
Mar-31-11 08:24 PM |
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I've always thought that the War Powers Act had Constitutional |
24601 |
Mar-30-11 07:36 PM |
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Obama was "lecturer in law" was not a "professor", and there is a difference. |
amandabeech |
Mar-30-11 08:55 PM |
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Politically flawed, morally flawed - yes. Constitutionally flawed - no, |
24601 |
Mar-31-11 03:43 AM |
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Wha? Are you saying the Constitution is not Constitutionally flawed since |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 02:35 PM |
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Many think that the War Powers Act is unconstitutional, BUT that analysis |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 02:21 PM |
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Why, how very special. |
Stinky The Clown |
Mar-30-11 08:06 PM |
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And somehow everyone neglects the fact that we didn't put any people on the ground in Libya. |
Arkana |
Mar-30-11 08:29 PM |
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It has been reported this evening that the CIA is on the ground and has been for some time. |
amandabeech |
Mar-30-11 09:31 PM |
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CIA is in Libya and likely Special Forces. |
EFerrari |
Mar-30-11 09:31 PM |
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CIA is in every country. |
joshcryer |
Mar-30-11 09:56 PM |
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No boots on the ground = no war? |
WatsonT |
Mar-31-11 02:01 PM |
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You don't think there are "boots on ground" in Libya? CIA wears Sneakers? |
KoKo |
Mar-31-11 09:20 PM |
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Obama is building a precident for an imperial "presidency". asdfasdfsda!!! (nt) |
w4rma |
Mar-30-11 09:43 PM |
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This is stupid |
ttwiddler |
Mar-30-11 11:01 PM |
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Queen Hillary got the warfever |
Baclava |
Mar-31-11 01:27 AM |
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Did it say "Hillary Would Ignore Your War Resolutions?" |
Avant Guardian |
Mar-31-11 10:30 AM |
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I just have the feeling that this is Hillary's War, and Obama is being dragged along |
Baclava |
Mar-31-11 01:10 PM |
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Is your hypothesis that he's lame, helpless, not too bright, too easily led?? |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 04:39 PM |
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No, I just think Hillary wants Moe's head on a stick and she's gonna by gawd get it |
Baclava |
Mar-31-11 07:53 PM |
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That dog won't hunt, Obama's her boss. She does his bidding, not the other way round. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 04:51 PM |
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Maybe the Queen has aspirations for higher office. You can't tell me she's not out for blood. |
Baclava |
Mar-31-11 08:45 PM |
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I agree with Obama/Clinton on this one..... |
Keith Bee |
Mar-31-11 11:03 AM |
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We can ignore laws, even the Constitution, at will? Please see Reply # 72. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 01:25 PM |
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Must be more to it than just the RW...though. That's a pretty harsh statement from her.. |
KoKo |
Mar-31-11 09:15 PM |
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Isn't having an Emperor grand? What could possibly go wrong? |
harun |
Mar-31-11 11:21 AM |
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Emperor in chief. nt |
ProgressIn2008 |
Mar-31-11 01:16 PM |
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They wanted to anoint George Washington as King. |
F Bastiat |
Mar-31-11 04:33 PM |
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Yeehaw! Let's kill us some ferriners |
WatsonT |
Mar-31-11 01:59 PM |
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I recall folks saying Obama could not possibly have the $$ to close Gitmo unless Congress voted. |
No Elephants |
Mar-31-11 05:13 PM |
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"The White House would forge ahead with military action in Libya..." |
unkachuck |
Mar-31-11 08:33 PM |
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How would Senator Obama respond? n/t |
rayofreason |
Mar-31-11 09:13 PM |
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Oh My..That's pretty harsh. Hard to know what's going on with that... |
KoKo |
Mar-31-11 09:13 PM |
#100 |