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78. Now, that's what I'm talkin' about! "Death From The Air!....
(and the water, and the soil, etc).

Hemp. *snort*
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  -URGENT: Plutonium detected in soil at Fukushima nuke plant: TEPCO IScreamSundays  Mar-28-11 10:41 AM   #0 
  - Now THAT is a problem.  buddysmellgood   Mar-28-11 10:42 AM   #1 
  - Here's the really bad news. If plutonium rods have melted, they're at 3000 degrees.  leveymg   Mar-28-11 02:22 PM   #80 
     - It sounds like we could well be headed for that.  buddysmellgood   Mar-28-11 02:43 PM   #90 
     - No, we do not have to conclude one of those two things.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-28-11 02:52 PM   #99 
     - No. Pu outside containment means the rods have melted or vaporized.  leveymg   Mar-28-11 04:26 PM   #117 
        - Said that way is more reasonable.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-28-11 04:30 PM   #119 
        - Do they also use Zirconium for the Pu rods?  liberation   Mar-28-11 04:34 PM   #121 
     - I'm not a scientist, so bear with me...  CoffeeCat   Mar-28-11 09:46 PM   #141 
        - Again, if particles of Pu are outside containment, the only physically possible explanation  leveymg   Mar-28-11 11:53 PM   #146 
           - I Think This Might Have Been a Sufficiently Powerful Explosion  AndyTiedye   Mar-29-11 01:53 AM   #153 
              - More likely, the reactor containment vessels have been breached, as reported here:  leveymg   Mar-29-11 02:21 AM   #154 
  - K&R...n/t  Oceansaway   Mar-28-11 10:46 AM   #2 
  - Pretty close to the worst case scenario there  Alhena   Mar-28-11 10:57 AM   #3 
  - that's why they have waited a week to tell us.  ReturnoftheDjedi   Mar-28-11 11:01 AM   #6 
  - there are much worse case scenarios  james0tucson   Mar-28-11 01:21 PM   #56 
     - Artillery from a sub?  Atypical Liberal   Mar-28-11 02:24 PM   #82 
        - It's a silly scenario.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-28-11 06:08 PM   #129 
  - now and forever a LARGE portion of land around those plants will be  ensho   Mar-28-11 10:59 AM   #4 
  - what's the population of Tokyo, 9 million?...they will have to be evacuated ....  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-28-11 11:10 AM   #7 
     - Actually, over 30 million in the Tokyo metro area.  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 11:18 AM   #11 
        - no way...I'll go with maybe 13 or 15 mil...NYC & the 5 bourghs is 28 million  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-28-11 11:19 AM   #12 
        - Nope.  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 11:32 AM   #18 
        - List of largest cities and population  Xicano   Mar-28-11 12:32 PM   #37 
        - your list is from so Bible Missionary site ....according to wiki Tokyo 8 mil. doest make the top 10  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-28-11 02:37 PM   #85 
           - According to most measures, it is the largest city in the world  whopis01   Mar-28-11 07:46 PM   #137 
        - NYC is the Fourth Largest metro area, behind Tokyo, Seoul and Mexico City  happyslug   Mar-28-11 12:37 PM   #39 
        - during working hrs...I'm talking about peploe living in the city...NYC beats Tokyo hands down  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-28-11 02:40 PM   #86 
        - you are wrong...scroll down to "Various definitions of Tokyo" on your own quoted site!.. 'Tokyo 8  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-28-11 02:49 PM   #94 
        - ?!?!?  lbrtbell   Mar-28-11 11:38 AM   #21 
        - You better believe it is!  greyghost   Mar-28-11 11:48 AM   #27 
        - Really no need to insult New York. Really.  aquart   Mar-28-11 12:14 PM   #34 
        - New York is the center of the world  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 12:52 PM   #47 
           - actually,for pure centralized power of the global monetary system,the City of London is epicenter  stockholmer   Mar-28-11 03:04 PM   #106 
        - I am talking about people living there not commuters who work there  ElsewheresDaughter   Mar-28-11 02:42 PM   #89 
        - Where are you getting those numbers from?  whopis01   Mar-28-11 07:43 PM   #136 
        - Wind can do that especially if this is the pulverized MOX version  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 12:50 PM   #45 
           - Actually, probably not. The amount is small, but plutonium is a  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 01:58 PM   #69 
              - I think you're forgetting about tyhoons nt  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 02:48 PM   #93 
              - No, I'm not, actually.  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 03:11 PM   #107 
              - You might be right, but I do get a chuckle when someone scolds other people's speculations  liberation   Mar-28-11 03:59 PM   #116 
              - And that would be you  Caretha   Mar-28-11 10:01 PM   #142 
  - this is the "grave" and "unoptimistic" news that the PM got a few days back.  ReturnoftheDjedi   Mar-28-11 11:01 AM   #5 
  - The k and the r  SpiralHawk   Mar-28-11 11:10 AM   #8 
  - OK, so we know for sure that #3 containment has been breached. Looks like time has come to bury  thereismore   Mar-28-11 11:14 AM   #9 
  - where is the water table?  PearliePoo2   Mar-28-11 11:22 AM   #14 
  - I don't know how deep the water table is. They did dig a tunnel and a room for concrete  thereismore   Mar-28-11 11:31 AM   #17 
  - I heard an expert say the water table is just 3 or 4 feet down at Fukushima  ReturnoftheDjedi   Mar-28-11 12:22 PM   #35 
     - Jesus. nt  thereismore   Mar-28-11 12:42 PM   #42 
     - Gotta be fucking kidding me...  Poll_Blind   Mar-28-11 02:13 PM   #79 
  - I read that reactors/rods need to cool more before being being buried as  snagglepuss   Mar-28-11 11:39 AM   #22 
  - Yes, that also is a lesson from Chernobyl, but in the end, that reactor did stop fissioning.  thereismore   Mar-28-11 12:44 PM   #44 
  - Do you think that's in the works?  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 12:54 PM   #49 
  - Water table? There's really bad news here.  caseymoz   Mar-28-11 01:21 PM   #55 
  - Fission Can Restart in the Melted Fuel  AndyTiedye   Mar-28-11 01:30 PM   #58 
  - In theory, yes. But at Chernobyl, apparently, the fuel got mixed with melted concrete  thereismore   Mar-28-11 01:42 PM   #63 
  - If you dig down a few meters, you hit the water table. Reactor is right on the ocean. They won't  leveymg   Mar-28-11 02:09 PM   #76 
  - And where do they put all the radioactive water they pump out?  dixiegrrrrl   Mar-28-11 08:05 PM   #138 
     - Can They Pump It Back In Again?  AndyTiedye   Mar-29-11 01:44 AM   #152 
        - They have to pump it out first to find/fix any problems in the reactors.  dixiegrrrrl   Mar-29-11 09:32 AM   #174 
  - This may be a dumb question, but are those materials as readily available  lostnfound   Mar-28-11 08:33 PM   #139 
  - But, but, but....Charlie Sheen is still fighting with CBS!  Moostache   Mar-28-11 11:15 AM   #10 
  - Indeed - a lot more Libya news than significant news re: Japan.  axollot   Mar-28-11 12:42 PM   #43 
  - Libya smacks of "wag the dog"...  CoffeeCat   Mar-28-11 10:03 PM   #143 
  - 3 types of plutonium detected at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi plant  Viva_La_Revolution   Mar-28-11 11:21 AM   #13 
  - "external exposure poses little health risk, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency."  Lars77   Mar-28-11 12:40 PM   #41 
     - That's Great as Long as You Don't Have to Breathe, or Eat, or Drink  AndyTiedye   Mar-28-11 01:33 PM   #59 
     - This is the same EPA who also said that Ground Zero was safe after the towers collapsed...  liberation   Mar-28-11 04:30 PM   #118 
        - Sure they were, they were faking it to get government handouts.  Lars77   Mar-29-11 08:16 AM   #173 
  - Keep it up.  TacticalPeek   Mar-28-11 11:23 AM   #15 
  - Keep it up, indeed!  Zoonart   Mar-28-11 11:42 AM   #25 
  - Nope. We're killing the dolphins, too.  aquart   Mar-28-11 12:07 PM   #31 
  - Well, when you burn garbage you get burnt garbage all over the backyard. . .  Journeyman   Mar-28-11 11:24 AM   #16 
  - Nothing to see here...move along  Baclava   Mar-28-11 11:32 AM   #19 
  - Key line in that article...  PoliticAverse   Mar-28-11 11:55 AM   #30 
     - these tests were done a week ago, and the leak hasn't been plugged yet.  ReturnoftheDjedi   Mar-28-11 12:25 PM   #36 
     - I don't think anything is done leaking there...  PoliticAverse   Mar-28-11 12:39 PM   #40 
     - That wins the award for biggest pile of bullshit yet from TEPCO  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 12:56 PM   #50 
     - 'Nuclear experiments' = hydrogen bomb tests - China did blow up some big ones  Baclava   Mar-28-11 01:04 PM   #52 
        - Yes, as did the USA, and in the Pacific, too.  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 02:01 PM   #70 
           - The weapons tests in space were really scary, and NOBODY ever talks about them  Baclava   Mar-28-11 05:25 PM   #126 
              - Yup. We have very short attention spans. We just don't remember  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 06:45 PM   #132 
  - Plutonium -- the proof of the insanity running the nuclear power industry -- !!  defendandprotect   Mar-28-11 11:33 AM   #20 
  - From 2008: Chernobyl Fallout? Plutonium Found In Swedish Soil  PoliticAverse   Mar-28-11 11:39 AM   #23 
  - K 'n R --  defendandprotect   Mar-28-11 11:41 AM   #24 
  - K&R nt  TBF   Mar-28-11 11:47 AM   #26 
  - Freaking plutocrats leaking plutonium for profits.  RedCloud   Mar-28-11 11:49 AM   #28 
  - Recycling weapons grade plutonium into MOX is BIG BUSINESS  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 12:57 PM   #51 
     - Plutonium Was Always the Dirty Secret Behind Nuclear Power  AndyTiedye   Mar-28-11 01:50 PM   #66 
  - Hey, we are enabling them! Here's a question you better keep...  greyghost   Mar-28-11 11:52 AM   #29 
  - because it's too f'ing scary. Afraid of mass panic, meanwhile it just  axollot   Mar-28-11 12:51 PM   #46 
     - You are not being fatalistic...  greyghost   Mar-28-11 06:35 PM   #131 
  - Kicked and recommended.  Uncle Joe   Mar-28-11 12:10 PM   #32 
  - What about the people they told to stay indoors?  aquart   Mar-28-11 12:11 PM   #33 
  - Looks like they haven't and, even though Greenpeace has now produced  suffragette   Mar-28-11 02:51 PM   #97 
  - I find it difficult to recommend plutonium,  WheelWalker   Mar-28-11 12:34 PM   #38 
  - ANOTHER LINK - Some more on the plutonium from Reuters:  Nothing Without Hope   Mar-28-11 12:53 PM   #48 
  - Not new!? Fuck. The fact that it's dispersing is the fucking news! I hate these wordsmiths. nt  thereismore   Mar-28-11 01:45 PM   #65 
  - Oh, that is really bad.  caseymoz   Mar-28-11 01:06 PM   #53 
  - ... I'm expecting Godzilla any day now ...  Myrina   Mar-28-11 01:17 PM   #54 
  - Sanity demands that all nuclear power plants be shut down  ooglymoogly   Mar-28-11 01:29 PM   #57 
  - "So is there any sanity left in this world, or has greed taken its place?"  GliderGuider   Mar-28-11 01:40 PM   #62 
  - Everybody just calm down.  bvar22   Mar-28-11 01:33 PM   #60 
  - Hey where are those people now. You know, the ones that said they can assure us the ocean's safe, or  Raschel   Mar-28-11 02:52 PM   #98 
  - They are all waiting for the fax ....  bvar22   Mar-28-11 06:51 PM   #133 
     - No, we're waiting for more than just one sentence  Taft_Bathtub   Mar-29-11 12:13 AM   #149 
  - and don't forget...  CoffeeCat   Mar-28-11 10:13 PM   #144 
  - More lies by anti-nuke environmentalist hippie communists.  Zorra   Mar-28-11 01:37 PM   #61 
  - Agreed, Zorra  democrank   Mar-28-11 01:43 PM   #64 
     - Now, that's what I'm talkin' about! "Death From The Air!....  Zorra   Mar-28-11 02:13 PM   #78 
        - A moment of nature in an insane world... thanks.  freshwest   Mar-28-11 05:40 PM   #128 
  - K&R n/t  DeSwiss   Mar-28-11 01:53 PM   #67 
  - URGENT: Plutonium detected in soil at Hanford nuke plant  hunter   Mar-28-11 01:55 PM   #68 
  - guess what  G_j   Mar-28-11 02:04 PM   #71 
  - Working with radioactive materials is most definitely unsafe.  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 02:08 PM   #75 
     - a bit more:  G_j   Mar-28-11 05:36 PM   #127 
  - Very good. Why, right outside of the Hanford site, there are  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 02:05 PM   #72 
  - "far more people have already died from the tsunami than will die in the next hundred years due to  HCE SuiGeneris   Mar-28-11 10:54 PM   #145 
  - Do you believe there are long term health..  Tikki   Mar-28-11 02:07 PM   #73 
  - There may be, depending on how much of the radioactive material  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 02:12 PM   #77 
  - Lets see...Oil Feeds My Family, NUKE Feeds My Family..  Tikki   Mar-28-11 02:29 PM   #83 
     - What does that have to do with what I wrote?  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 02:34 PM   #84 
        - My only complaint is the danger to population's health....  Tikki   Mar-28-11 02:41 PM   #87 
           - Yes, there is a danger. We made a big mistake by getting involved  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 02:51 PM   #96 
              - Are you talking about the Santa Susanna reactor?  Tikki   Mar-28-11 03:00 PM   #104 
                 - Yup. I lived in Fillmore, just over the hill to the East of  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 03:13 PM   #108 
                 - I've got family living less than two miles as the crow flies from the Santa Susana reactor site.  hunter   Mar-28-11 04:51 PM   #123 
                    - I agree with you...there is a lot of money to..  Tikki   Mar-28-11 05:03 PM   #124 
  - I live in a stew of agricultural chemicals.  hunter   Mar-28-11 02:42 PM   #88 
  - ...  Tikki   Mar-28-11 02:08 PM   #74 
  - False dichotomy.  readmoreoften   Mar-28-11 02:22 PM   #81 
  - Thanks for calling bullshit on that. I've had the same thought.  buddysmellgood   Mar-28-11 02:44 PM   #91 
  - But that's not from a melting down reactor with MOX rods  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 02:49 PM   #95 
  - No it's not sad. We all have an interest in what happens to our world environment.  Raschel   Mar-28-11 02:55 PM   #101 
  - Is this an ELE? (The Mayans..)  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 02:46 PM   #92 
  - Nope. Not even close.  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 02:52 PM   #100 
     - I like your answer MM  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 03:00 PM   #103 
        - Actually, they didn't. That was their religion that produced that  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 03:15 PM   #109 
           - You're saying they were separate from their religion?  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 03:35 PM   #112 
              - No, I'm saying that calendars for the future that are based on  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 03:47 PM   #114 
                 - Let's hope so! nt  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 03:50 PM   #115 
  - So, if these are from a week ago, has there been any report yet  suffragette   Mar-28-11 02:56 PM   #102 
  - Good luck with that, it's be pulling teeth to get current levels  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 03:01 PM   #105 
     - Actually, you're incorrect. See this link:  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 03:22 PM   #110 
     - It is data from March 22, and the question is how much more Pu there is now nt  flamingdem   Mar-28-11 03:34 PM   #111 
     - No. there's data in those pdfs though 3/27.  MineralMan   Mar-28-11 03:46 PM   #113 
     - Since the report was about the soil, does this have updated  suffragette   Mar-28-11 04:31 PM   #120 
        - No. Those documents only dealt with the air, not the soil.  MineralMan   Mar-29-11 08:00 AM   #172 
     - A question I have is that Tepco released increased numbers for seawater  suffragette   Mar-28-11 04:48 PM   #122 
        - You know, I gave TEPCO and the GE reactor design every benefit of the doubt so far.  AtheistCrusader   Mar-28-11 06:16 PM   #130 
           - Yes, and they should have accepted offers from other nations  suffragette   Mar-28-11 06:51 PM   #134 
  - The nuclear industry would not exist as a commercial entity  fedsron2us   Mar-28-11 05:16 PM   #125 
  - It's because the risk associated with a nuclear accident is much higher, not that it's more likely.  Paradoxical   Mar-28-11 11:58 PM   #148 
  - But the seafood harvested from around the plant site is safe to eat...  WestSeattle2   Mar-28-11 07:19 PM   #135 
  - Clearly no one has suggested that. Even the government is stating otherwise.  Paradoxical   Mar-28-11 11:55 PM   #147 
  - snail?  SpoonFed   Mar-28-11 08:41 PM   #140 
  - Every hour more uninformed hysteria  trud   Mar-29-11 12:24 AM   #150 
  - Edano himself said the situation is "very grave". Is he being hysterical too?  Raschel   Mar-29-11 12:58 AM   #151 
  - Toxic plutonium seeping from Japan's nuclear plant (coming from damaged nuclear fuel rods)  Omaha Steve   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #155 
     - Not a problem....  JohnyCanuck   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #156 
     - I think they call that  WheelWalker   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #159 
     - Wraiths and other Undead Creatures Thrive on Radiation. It is How they are Created  AndyTiedye   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #167 
     - I know there are "levels", but I think any amount of any of that crap is toxic. nt  gateley   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #157 
     - We've had a lifetime dose  WheelWalker   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #160 
     - ...  gateley   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #164 
        - ...  WheelWalker   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #168 
     - Yeah, Plutonium is in a whole other league...  Frisbee   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #162 
        - I didn't know that. Sigh. Why do we even fuck with this stuff?  gateley   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #165 
     - "deplorable"  WheelWalker   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #158 
     - "The situation is very grave," Edano told reporters.  tomm2thumbs   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #161 
     - That word, "grave" . . . it's one of those words  WheelWalker   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #163 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #166 
     - Scary, all of it...  AsahinaKimi   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #169 
     - When plutonium decays, it emits what is known as an alpha particle  FarLeftFist   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #170 
     - Reports of Plutonium release go with this one that the reactor vessels have been breached:  leveymg   Mar-29-11 02:56 AM   #171 

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