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Mon Mar-28-11 01:30 PM
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| 58. Fission Can Restart in the Melted Fuel |
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Fission could restart. This may be occurring already. If it is entombed in concrete, the heat and pressure would build up, and build up, and build up, until  |
| -URGENT: Plutonium detected in soil at Fukushima nuke plant: TEPCO |
IScreamSundays |
Mar-28-11 10:41 AM |
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Now THAT is a problem. |
buddysmellgood |
Mar-28-11 10:42 AM |
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Here's the really bad news. If plutonium rods have melted, they're at 3000 degrees. |
leveymg |
Mar-28-11 02:22 PM |
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It sounds like we could well be headed for that. |
buddysmellgood |
Mar-28-11 02:43 PM |
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No, we do not have to conclude one of those two things. |
AtheistCrusader |
Mar-28-11 02:52 PM |
#99 |
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No. Pu outside containment means the rods have melted or vaporized. |
leveymg |
Mar-28-11 04:26 PM |
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Said that way is more reasonable. |
AtheistCrusader |
Mar-28-11 04:30 PM |
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Do they also use Zirconium for the Pu rods? |
liberation |
Mar-28-11 04:34 PM |
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I'm not a scientist, so bear with me... |
CoffeeCat |
Mar-28-11 09:46 PM |
#141 |
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Again, if particles of Pu are outside containment, the only physically possible explanation |
leveymg |
Mar-28-11 11:53 PM |
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I Think This Might Have Been a Sufficiently Powerful Explosion |
AndyTiedye |
Mar-29-11 01:53 AM |
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More likely, the reactor containment vessels have been breached, as reported here: |
leveymg |
Mar-29-11 02:21 AM |
#154 |
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K&R...n/t |
Oceansaway |
Mar-28-11 10:46 AM |
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Pretty close to the worst case scenario there |
Alhena |
Mar-28-11 10:57 AM |
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that's why they have waited a week to tell us. |
ReturnoftheDjedi |
Mar-28-11 11:01 AM |
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there are much worse case scenarios |
james0tucson |
Mar-28-11 01:21 PM |
#56 |
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Artillery from a sub? |
Atypical Liberal |
Mar-28-11 02:24 PM |
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It's a silly scenario. |
AtheistCrusader |
Mar-28-11 06:08 PM |
#129 |
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now and forever a LARGE portion of land around those plants will be |
ensho |
Mar-28-11 10:59 AM |
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what's the population of Tokyo, 9 million?...they will have to be evacuated .... |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-28-11 11:10 AM |
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Actually, over 30 million in the Tokyo metro area. |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 11:18 AM |
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no way...I'll go with maybe 13 or 15 mil...NYC & the 5 bourghs is 28 million |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-28-11 11:19 AM |
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Nope. |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 11:32 AM |
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List of largest cities and population |
Xicano |
Mar-28-11 12:32 PM |
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your list is from so Bible Missionary site ....according to wiki Tokyo 8 mil. doest make the top 10 |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-28-11 02:37 PM |
#85 |
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According to most measures, it is the largest city in the world |
whopis01 |
Mar-28-11 07:46 PM |
#137 |
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NYC is the Fourth Largest metro area, behind Tokyo, Seoul and Mexico City |
happyslug |
Mar-28-11 12:37 PM |
#39 |
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during working hrs...I'm talking about peploe living in the city...NYC beats Tokyo hands down |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-28-11 02:40 PM |
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you are wrong...scroll down to "Various definitions of Tokyo" on your own quoted site!.. 'Tokyo 8 |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-28-11 02:49 PM |
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?!?!? |
lbrtbell |
Mar-28-11 11:38 AM |
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You better believe it is! |
greyghost |
Mar-28-11 11:48 AM |
#27 |
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Really no need to insult New York. Really. |
aquart |
Mar-28-11 12:14 PM |
#34 |
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New York is the center of the world |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 12:52 PM |
#47 |
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actually,for pure centralized power of the global monetary system,the City of London is epicenter |
stockholmer |
Mar-28-11 03:04 PM |
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I am talking about people living there not commuters who work there |
ElsewheresDaughter |
Mar-28-11 02:42 PM |
#89 |
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Where are you getting those numbers from? |
whopis01 |
Mar-28-11 07:43 PM |
#136 |
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Wind can do that especially if this is the pulverized MOX version |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 12:50 PM |
#45 |
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Actually, probably not. The amount is small, but plutonium is a |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 01:58 PM |
#69 |
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I think you're forgetting about tyhoons nt |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 02:48 PM |
#93 |
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No, I'm not, actually. |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 03:11 PM |
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You might be right, but I do get a chuckle when someone scolds other people's speculations |
liberation |
Mar-28-11 03:59 PM |
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And that would be you |
Caretha |
Mar-28-11 10:01 PM |
#142 |
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this is the "grave" and "unoptimistic" news that the PM got a few days back. |
ReturnoftheDjedi |
Mar-28-11 11:01 AM |
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The k and the r |
SpiralHawk |
Mar-28-11 11:10 AM |
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OK, so we know for sure that #3 containment has been breached. Looks like time has come to bury |
thereismore |
Mar-28-11 11:14 AM |
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where is the water table? |
PearliePoo2 |
Mar-28-11 11:22 AM |
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I don't know how deep the water table is. They did dig a tunnel and a room for concrete |
thereismore |
Mar-28-11 11:31 AM |
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I heard an expert say the water table is just 3 or 4 feet down at Fukushima |
ReturnoftheDjedi |
Mar-28-11 12:22 PM |
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Jesus. nt |
thereismore |
Mar-28-11 12:42 PM |
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Gotta be fucking kidding me... |
Poll_Blind |
Mar-28-11 02:13 PM |
#79 |
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I read that reactors/rods need to cool more before being being buried as |
snagglepuss |
Mar-28-11 11:39 AM |
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Yes, that also is a lesson from Chernobyl, but in the end, that reactor did stop fissioning. |
thereismore |
Mar-28-11 12:44 PM |
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Do you think that's in the works? |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 12:54 PM |
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Water table? There's really bad news here. |
caseymoz |
Mar-28-11 01:21 PM |
#55 |
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Fission Can Restart in the Melted Fuel |
AndyTiedye |
Mar-28-11 01:30 PM |
#58 |
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In theory, yes. But at Chernobyl, apparently, the fuel got mixed with melted concrete |
thereismore |
Mar-28-11 01:42 PM |
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If you dig down a few meters, you hit the water table. Reactor is right on the ocean. They won't |
leveymg |
Mar-28-11 02:09 PM |
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And where do they put all the radioactive water they pump out? |
dixiegrrrrl |
Mar-28-11 08:05 PM |
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Can They Pump It Back In Again? |
AndyTiedye |
Mar-29-11 01:44 AM |
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They have to pump it out first to find/fix any problems in the reactors. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Mar-29-11 09:32 AM |
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This may be a dumb question, but are those materials as readily available |
lostnfound |
Mar-28-11 08:33 PM |
#139 |
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But, but, but....Charlie Sheen is still fighting with CBS! |
Moostache |
Mar-28-11 11:15 AM |
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Indeed - a lot more Libya news than significant news re: Japan. |
axollot |
Mar-28-11 12:42 PM |
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Libya smacks of "wag the dog"... |
CoffeeCat |
Mar-28-11 10:03 PM |
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3 types of plutonium detected at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi plant |
Viva_La_Revolution |
Mar-28-11 11:21 AM |
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"external exposure poses little health risk, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency." |
Lars77 |
Mar-28-11 12:40 PM |
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That's Great as Long as You Don't Have to Breathe, or Eat, or Drink |
AndyTiedye |
Mar-28-11 01:33 PM |
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This is the same EPA who also said that Ground Zero was safe after the towers collapsed... |
liberation |
Mar-28-11 04:30 PM |
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Sure they were, they were faking it to get government handouts. |
Lars77 |
Mar-29-11 08:16 AM |
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Keep it up. |
TacticalPeek |
Mar-28-11 11:23 AM |
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Keep it up, indeed! |
Zoonart |
Mar-28-11 11:42 AM |
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Nope. We're killing the dolphins, too. |
aquart |
Mar-28-11 12:07 PM |
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Well, when you burn garbage you get burnt garbage all over the backyard. . . |
Journeyman |
Mar-28-11 11:24 AM |
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Nothing to see here...move along |
Baclava |
Mar-28-11 11:32 AM |
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Key line in that article... |
PoliticAverse |
Mar-28-11 11:55 AM |
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these tests were done a week ago, and the leak hasn't been plugged yet. |
ReturnoftheDjedi |
Mar-28-11 12:25 PM |
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I don't think anything is done leaking there... |
PoliticAverse |
Mar-28-11 12:39 PM |
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That wins the award for biggest pile of bullshit yet from TEPCO |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 12:56 PM |
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'Nuclear experiments' = hydrogen bomb tests - China did blow up some big ones |
Baclava |
Mar-28-11 01:04 PM |
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Yes, as did the USA, and in the Pacific, too. |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 02:01 PM |
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The weapons tests in space were really scary, and NOBODY ever talks about them |
Baclava |
Mar-28-11 05:25 PM |
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Yup. We have very short attention spans. We just don't remember |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 06:45 PM |
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Plutonium -- the proof of the insanity running the nuclear power industry -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Mar-28-11 11:33 AM |
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From 2008: Chernobyl Fallout? Plutonium Found In Swedish Soil |
PoliticAverse |
Mar-28-11 11:39 AM |
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K 'n R -- |
defendandprotect |
Mar-28-11 11:41 AM |
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K&R nt |
TBF |
Mar-28-11 11:47 AM |
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Freaking plutocrats leaking plutonium for profits. |
RedCloud |
Mar-28-11 11:49 AM |
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Recycling weapons grade plutonium into MOX is BIG BUSINESS |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 12:57 PM |
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Plutonium Was Always the Dirty Secret Behind Nuclear Power |
AndyTiedye |
Mar-28-11 01:50 PM |
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Hey, we are enabling them! Here's a question you better keep... |
greyghost |
Mar-28-11 11:52 AM |
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because it's too f'ing scary. Afraid of mass panic, meanwhile it just |
axollot |
Mar-28-11 12:51 PM |
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You are not being fatalistic... |
greyghost |
Mar-28-11 06:35 PM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Mar-28-11 12:10 PM |
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What about the people they told to stay indoors? |
aquart |
Mar-28-11 12:11 PM |
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Looks like they haven't and, even though Greenpeace has now produced |
suffragette |
Mar-28-11 02:51 PM |
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I find it difficult to recommend plutonium, |
WheelWalker |
Mar-28-11 12:34 PM |
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ANOTHER LINK - Some more on the plutonium from Reuters: |
Nothing Without Hope |
Mar-28-11 12:53 PM |
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Not new!? Fuck. The fact that it's dispersing is the fucking news! I hate these wordsmiths. nt |
thereismore |
Mar-28-11 01:45 PM |
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Oh, that is really bad. |
caseymoz |
Mar-28-11 01:06 PM |
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... I'm expecting Godzilla any day now ... |
Myrina |
Mar-28-11 01:17 PM |
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Sanity demands that all nuclear power plants be shut down |
ooglymoogly |
Mar-28-11 01:29 PM |
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"So is there any sanity left in this world, or has greed taken its place?" |
GliderGuider |
Mar-28-11 01:40 PM |
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Everybody just calm down. |
bvar22 |
Mar-28-11 01:33 PM |
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Hey where are those people now. You know, the ones that said they can assure us the ocean's safe, or |
Raschel |
Mar-28-11 02:52 PM |
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They are all waiting for the fax .... |
bvar22 |
Mar-28-11 06:51 PM |
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No, we're waiting for more than just one sentence |
Taft_Bathtub |
Mar-29-11 12:13 AM |
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and don't forget... |
CoffeeCat |
Mar-28-11 10:13 PM |
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More lies by anti-nuke environmentalist hippie communists. |
Zorra |
Mar-28-11 01:37 PM |
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Agreed, Zorra |
democrank |
Mar-28-11 01:43 PM |
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Now, that's what I'm talkin' about! "Death From The Air!.... |
Zorra |
Mar-28-11 02:13 PM |
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A moment of nature in an insane world... thanks. |
freshwest |
Mar-28-11 05:40 PM |
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K&R n/t |
DeSwiss |
Mar-28-11 01:53 PM |
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URGENT: Plutonium detected in soil at Hanford nuke plant |
hunter |
Mar-28-11 01:55 PM |
#68 |
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guess what |
G_j |
Mar-28-11 02:04 PM |
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Working with radioactive materials is most definitely unsafe. |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 02:08 PM |
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a bit more: |
G_j |
Mar-28-11 05:36 PM |
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Very good. Why, right outside of the Hanford site, there are |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 02:05 PM |
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"far more people have already died from the tsunami than will die in the next hundred years due to |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Mar-28-11 10:54 PM |
#145 |
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Do you believe there are long term health.. |
Tikki |
Mar-28-11 02:07 PM |
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There may be, depending on how much of the radioactive material |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 02:12 PM |
#77 |
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Lets see...Oil Feeds My Family, NUKE Feeds My Family.. |
Tikki |
Mar-28-11 02:29 PM |
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What does that have to do with what I wrote? |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 02:34 PM |
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My only complaint is the danger to population's health.... |
Tikki |
Mar-28-11 02:41 PM |
#87 |
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Yes, there is a danger. We made a big mistake by getting involved |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 02:51 PM |
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Are you talking about the Santa Susanna reactor? |
Tikki |
Mar-28-11 03:00 PM |
#104 |
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Yup. I lived in Fillmore, just over the hill to the East of |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 03:13 PM |
#108 |
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I've got family living less than two miles as the crow flies from the Santa Susana reactor site. |
hunter |
Mar-28-11 04:51 PM |
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I agree with you...there is a lot of money to.. |
Tikki |
Mar-28-11 05:03 PM |
#124 |
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I live in a stew of agricultural chemicals. |
hunter |
Mar-28-11 02:42 PM |
#88 |
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... |
Tikki |
Mar-28-11 02:08 PM |
#74 |
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False dichotomy. |
readmoreoften |
Mar-28-11 02:22 PM |
#81 |
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Thanks for calling bullshit on that. I've had the same thought. |
buddysmellgood |
Mar-28-11 02:44 PM |
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But that's not from a melting down reactor with MOX rods |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 02:49 PM |
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No it's not sad. We all have an interest in what happens to our world environment. |
Raschel |
Mar-28-11 02:55 PM |
#101 |
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Is this an ELE? (The Mayans..) |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 02:46 PM |
#92 |
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Nope. Not even close. |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 02:52 PM |
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I like your answer MM |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 03:00 PM |
#103 |
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Actually, they didn't. That was their religion that produced that |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 03:15 PM |
#109 |
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You're saying they were separate from their religion? |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 03:35 PM |
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No, I'm saying that calendars for the future that are based on |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 03:47 PM |
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Let's hope so! nt |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 03:50 PM |
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So, if these are from a week ago, has there been any report yet |
suffragette |
Mar-28-11 02:56 PM |
#102 |
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Good luck with that, it's be pulling teeth to get current levels |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 03:01 PM |
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Actually, you're incorrect. See this link: |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 03:22 PM |
#110 |
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It is data from March 22, and the question is how much more Pu there is now nt |
flamingdem |
Mar-28-11 03:34 PM |
#111 |
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No. there's data in those pdfs though 3/27. |
MineralMan |
Mar-28-11 03:46 PM |
#113 |
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Since the report was about the soil, does this have updated |
suffragette |
Mar-28-11 04:31 PM |
#120 |
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No. Those documents only dealt with the air, not the soil. |
MineralMan |
Mar-29-11 08:00 AM |
#172 |
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A question I have is that Tepco released increased numbers for seawater |
suffragette |
Mar-28-11 04:48 PM |
#122 |
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You know, I gave TEPCO and the GE reactor design every benefit of the doubt so far. |
AtheistCrusader |
Mar-28-11 06:16 PM |
#130 |
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Yes, and they should have accepted offers from other nations |
suffragette |
Mar-28-11 06:51 PM |
#134 |
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The nuclear industry would not exist as a commercial entity |
fedsron2us |
Mar-28-11 05:16 PM |
#125 |
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It's because the risk associated with a nuclear accident is much higher, not that it's more likely. |
Paradoxical |
Mar-28-11 11:58 PM |
#148 |
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But the seafood harvested from around the plant site is safe to eat... |
WestSeattle2 |
Mar-28-11 07:19 PM |
#135 |
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Clearly no one has suggested that. Even the government is stating otherwise. |
Paradoxical |
Mar-28-11 11:55 PM |
#147 |
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snail? |
SpoonFed |
Mar-28-11 08:41 PM |
#140 |
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Every hour more uninformed hysteria |
trud |
Mar-29-11 12:24 AM |
#150 |
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Edano himself said the situation is "very grave". Is he being hysterical too? |
Raschel |
Mar-29-11 12:58 AM |
#151 |
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Toxic plutonium seeping from Japan's nuclear plant (coming from damaged nuclear fuel rods) |
Omaha Steve |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#155 |
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Not a problem.... |
JohnyCanuck |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#156 |
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I think they call that |
WheelWalker |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#159 |
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Wraiths and other Undead Creatures Thrive on Radiation. It is How they are Created |
AndyTiedye |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#167 |
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I know there are "levels", but I think any amount of any of that crap is toxic. nt |
gateley |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#157 |
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We've had a lifetime dose |
WheelWalker |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#160 |
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... |
gateley |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#164 |
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... |
WheelWalker |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#168 |
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Yeah, Plutonium is in a whole other league... |
Frisbee |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#162 |
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I didn't know that. Sigh. Why do we even fuck with this stuff? |
gateley |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#165 |
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"deplorable" |
WheelWalker |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#158 |
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"The situation is very grave," Edano told reporters. |
tomm2thumbs |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#161 |
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That word, "grave" . . . it's one of those words |
WheelWalker |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
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Name removed |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#166 |
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Scary, all of it... |
AsahinaKimi |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#169 |
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When plutonium decays, it emits what is known as an alpha particle |
FarLeftFist |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#170 |
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Reports of Plutonium release go with this one that the reactor vessels have been breached: |
leveymg |
Mar-29-11 02:56 AM |
#171 |
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