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Thu Mar-24-11 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #83 |
| 141. Reporters aren't stupid, when they go to a foreign country, they usually bring translators |
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BBC has an entire Arabic-language program, I'm pretty sure they can find some impartial Arabic speakers.
But whatever makes your point...
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| -US troops open fire on villagers as fighter jet crashes: report |
mahatmakanejeeves |
Mar-22-11 04:13 PM |
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Were these Marines wearing boots??? If so, Obama's a liar. nt |
99th_Monkey |
Mar-22-11 04:16 PM |
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Could we please wait to find out what happened before we call anybody anything? |
EFerrari |
Mar-22-11 04:18 PM |
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Sounds like this is "what happened", no? |
99th_Monkey |
Mar-22-11 04:37 PM |
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Well, there was an earlier story that one pilot was greeted with hugs, lol, |
EFerrari |
Mar-22-11 04:38 PM |
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Only hugs? No flowers around the neck? |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 10:07 AM |
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Did Obama say only barefoot Marines were involved? |
Renew Deal |
Mar-22-11 04:54 PM |
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Obama said there would be "NO BOOTS ON THE GROUND IN LYBIA" militarily speaking ~nt |
99th_Monkey |
Mar-22-11 06:42 PM |
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CSAR isn't the same thing as rolling tanks into Tripoli |
NuclearDem |
Mar-24-11 09:33 PM |
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So, which is true? This story or the story of the happy villagers |
EFerrari |
Mar-22-11 04:17 PM |
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They were happy not to be shot dead.... |
IamK |
Mar-22-11 10:48 PM |
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uh, who's side are we on again? |
ReggieVeggie |
Mar-22-11 04:18 PM |
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Name removed |
Mar-22-11 04:20 PM |
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This ENTIRE Engagement is a DISGRACE!!! n/t! |
indimuse |
Mar-22-11 04:34 PM |
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"My big fat Libyan wedding" - where Gaddafi and Obama get married for better or for worse nt |
msongs |
Mar-22-11 04:51 PM |
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Yeah, it's also turning into a fiasco. I'll bet the oil companies are |
neoralme |
Mar-22-11 08:44 PM |
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BBC: US crew rescued after Libya crash |
jannyk |
Mar-22-11 04:35 PM |
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Thanks, jannyk. So, both did happen. |
EFerrari |
Mar-22-11 04:40 PM |
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it was a mistake |
SoulSearcher |
Mar-22-11 04:47 PM |
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Is it a mistake? Those helicopter pilots didn't set their own rules |
EFerrari |
Mar-22-11 04:50 PM |
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They automatically shot up allies rescuing their comrades? |
daleo |
Mar-22-11 10:34 PM |
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The Libyan rebels aren't allies |
NuclearDem |
Mar-24-11 09:30 PM |
#143 |
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Yes Thanks eom |
bluesmail |
Mar-22-11 05:04 PM |
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thanks for the update. |
marasinghe |
Mar-22-11 06:50 PM |
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This happened near Benghazi, a rebel stronghold. |
sabrina 1 |
Mar-22-11 04:44 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Mar-22-11 05:02 PM |
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Thanks to Obama's war, a boy is losing his leg today. |
David__77 |
Mar-22-11 05:10 PM |
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Question is, how many boys aren't losing their legs |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 05:17 PM |
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I'm sure that hypothetical question is consoling to the victims of US aggression. |
David__77 |
Mar-22-11 05:20 PM |
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The survivors seem to be very consoled by US "aggression". |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 05:43 PM |
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Were those locals that were later shot by the Marines, or...? |
Alamuti Lotus |
Mar-22-11 06:26 PM |
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They weren't shot. Armored vehicles coming to the scene were bombed. The locals were nearby. |
joshcryer |
Mar-23-11 06:06 AM |
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My guess is that we've killed more people this week |
bowens43 |
Mar-22-11 05:32 PM |
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That's a pretty bold guess. |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 05:43 PM |
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That's highly unlikely. |
joshcryer |
Mar-23-11 06:06 AM |
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There was a time in this country |
sulphurdunn |
Mar-22-11 05:36 PM |
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Look it up yourself. |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 05:44 PM |
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The hell I don't. |
sulphurdunn |
Mar-22-11 08:35 PM |
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We're not waging aggressive war. |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 09:46 PM |
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The key point that you miss is the word "international" |
psychopomp |
Mar-22-11 10:00 PM |
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10 member states of the UNSC disagree with you; 0 agree. |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 10:20 PM |
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The U.S. agrees. You don't get it. In the U.S., the Constitutiion trumps all else. |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 10:32 AM |
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LOL "the U.S. agrees". That's why we have warplanes flying over Libya. |
wtmusic |
Mar-23-11 11:54 AM |
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Amazing what you missed in the hundreds of times you say you've been over this. |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 12:24 PM |
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Provide links, please. |
wtmusic |
Mar-23-11 12:26 PM |
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Sure, right after you provide links to support your claims. See Reply 104. |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 12:34 PM |
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? Do you need a link to the Constitution, or the UN Charter? |
wtmusic |
Mar-23-11 12:37 PM |
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Neither. As Reply 104 suggested, it's your interpretation of the Supremacy Clause |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 01:07 PM |
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Treaties entered into |
sulphurdunn |
Mar-23-11 11:41 AM |
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Sorry, no. Neither treaties nor laws of the U.S.. are on an equal footing with the |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 10:26 AM |
#104 |
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Justy like we are "required" to investigate charges of torture. |
Bandit |
Mar-23-11 08:02 AM |
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We're obligated to investigate charges of torture too |
wtmusic |
Mar-23-11 11:57 AM |
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In the U.S.. the Constitution trumps all other laws. Besides, any reason why Obama |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 10:12 AM |
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He could have, but he's not obligated to. nt |
wtmusic |
Mar-23-11 11:57 AM |
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LOL. Legal scholars are divided on that. If the War Powers Resolution is |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 12:29 PM |
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Why it *must* be, because some poster named No Elephants says so! |
wtmusic |
Mar-23-11 12:39 PM |
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Just as your Reply 120 and your parsing of the Supremacy Clause "must" be |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 01:14 PM |
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Which "boys" the rebels or the Libyan loyalists? |
Bandit |
Mar-22-11 05:54 PM |
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Do boys associated with one group have more of a right to their limbs? |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 06:00 PM |
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Exactly..... |
Bandit |
Mar-23-11 07:58 AM |
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If you don't think it's possible to save lives with military action |
wtmusic |
Mar-23-11 12:24 PM |
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"Fighting for Peace is like Fucking for Chastity" |
Bandit |
Mar-23-11 02:41 PM |
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Glad it's okay with you |
CreekDog |
Mar-22-11 09:09 PM |
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Unfortunate you have no sense of proportion |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 09:23 PM |
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Well, I can't argue with someone who thinks that sometimes you gotta shoot a boy |
CreekDog |
Mar-22-11 09:31 PM |
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And I can't argue with someone who doesn't want to save 10 boys. |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 09:33 PM |
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ah, so they hate to remove his leg so that others can have theirs? |
CreekDog |
Mar-22-11 09:38 PM |
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The inanity of your argument is astounding. |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 09:48 PM |
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i don't think the boy's leg was key to stopping the Holocaust |
CreekDog |
Mar-22-11 09:50 PM |
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Thankfully it was Roosevelt and not you calling the shots. |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 09:54 PM |
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i don't know how to put a value on it yet |
CreekDog |
Mar-22-11 09:55 PM |
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While you're thinking about it, people are dying. |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 09:56 PM |
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Thankfully, it was Roosevelt and not you calling the shots. |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 10:46 AM |
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That's true. |
wtmusic |
Mar-23-11 12:00 PM |
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Wrong poster. I never said a word about limbs. |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 01:15 PM |
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No doubt Bush saved some from Saddam as well. |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 10:05 AM |
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The two situations are comparable, are they? |
wtmusic |
Mar-23-11 12:04 PM |
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Identical, no. Comparable in the specific way I compared them, yes. |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 01:21 PM |
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Guardian: Libya: Six injured as US team botches rescue of downed airmen |
jannyk |
Mar-22-11 05:39 PM |
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So much for America ONLY being involved in refueling and intelligence.. |
Bandit |
Mar-22-11 05:52 PM |
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Libya is unwinnable for us. Lose a soldier and we're screwed. Aggressively rescue a soldier, we're |
BenzoDia |
Mar-22-11 05:52 PM |
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I've been asleep for 40 years. Geez, are we still in Vietnam?!? |
Zorra |
Mar-22-11 05:57 PM |
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No, and even better news: |
wtmusic |
Mar-22-11 06:04 PM |
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Ugh... |
Arrowhead2k1 |
Mar-22-11 06:11 PM |
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Is the US media reporting this? |
jannyk |
Mar-22-11 06:14 PM |
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It sounds like the helicopter pilots decided to shoot first and ask questions later. |
w4rma |
Mar-22-11 06:24 PM |
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On a Combat Search and Rescue (CSAR) thats what you do. |
hardtravelin |
Mar-22-11 06:44 PM |
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I'm not so sure that is "what you do". And I think this no-fly zone is probably a good thing. |
w4rma |
Mar-22-11 07:26 PM |
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"liberating" those Libyans, one reckless strafing at a time....... |
Alamuti Lotus |
Mar-22-11 06:25 PM |
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ask the "good" Libyans to wear cheese head hats or something,,, |
IamK |
Mar-22-11 10:53 PM |
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Did they rescue the pilots successfully? Then that's all that matters. |
Baclava |
Mar-22-11 06:44 PM |
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They walked up the pilot and hugged him. And then led him to the rescue team. |
Paradoxical |
Mar-22-11 07:06 PM |
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sure; everyone in every pissant village around the planet, has that lesson engraved in their genes. |
marasinghe |
Mar-22-11 07:09 PM |
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But like that Collateral Murder video from Afghanistan illustrated, everyone isn't familiar with our |
BenzoDia |
Mar-22-11 07:11 PM |
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We shouldn't even be there! |
Dash87 |
Mar-22-11 09:29 PM |
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Lesson #2: Choose your allies carefully |
daleo |
Mar-22-11 10:41 PM |
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Yeah, who cares who many innocent civilians had to die because of it |
ixion |
Mar-23-11 06:06 AM |
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You wanted your bloody 'no-fly' zone - you got it. Happy now? |
Baclava |
Mar-23-11 10:38 AM |
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This tidy little "humanitarian mission" didn't take long to get untidy |
Doctor_J |
Mar-22-11 07:10 PM |
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I think they called it "mission creep" in Vietnam |
Canuckistanian |
Mar-22-11 07:18 PM |
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That, plus the fact that it takes on a life of its own |
Doctor_J |
Mar-22-11 09:56 PM |
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I buddy of mine who served in Viet Nam told me once... |
Javaman |
Mar-23-11 09:24 AM |
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First thing I thought of when this happened... |
Javaman |
Mar-23-11 09:22 AM |
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exactly |
ixion |
Mar-22-11 08:27 PM |
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Exactly - but the ones squealing the loudest about this wanted the no-fly zone to cure all the ills |
Baclava |
Mar-22-11 10:22 PM |
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Accidents happen. Dim the outrage. BBC: "the locals did not appear resentful over the shootings" |
ClarkUSA |
Mar-22-11 07:24 PM |
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Oh please. |
ixion |
Mar-22-11 08:29 PM |
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I don't deal in hypotheticals. I can't imagine what life under Gaddafi & Sons has been like. |
ClarkUSA |
Mar-22-11 08:35 PM |
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You're changing the subject |
ixion |
Mar-22-11 08:40 PM |
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No, you're changing the subject. I answered your question. |
ClarkUSA |
Mar-22-11 08:47 PM |
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Well, no, you didn't. You changed the subject. |
ixion |
Mar-22-11 08:57 PM |
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Which Libyan villagers were killed? |
NuclearDem |
Mar-24-11 09:27 PM |
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Do Libyan villagers all speak English? |
daleo |
Mar-22-11 10:45 PM |
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By having a translator interview them? |
joshcryer |
Mar-23-11 06:08 AM |
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Then they would have to trust that the translator is telling the truth |
daleo |
Mar-23-11 11:29 AM |
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Reporters aren't stupid, when they go to a foreign country, they usually bring translators |
NuclearDem |
Mar-24-11 09:26 PM |
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Show me some evidence of your claim |
daleo |
Mar-24-11 09:51 PM |
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The BBC, which is owned and funded by the UK government, doesn't have money for translators? |
NuclearDem |
Mar-24-11 10:13 PM |
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The U.K. government has huge debt problems |
daleo |
Mar-25-11 09:18 PM |
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So? You probably can't imagine what life under Hussein & Sons was like in Iraq, either. |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 10:41 AM |
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If I was living under a tyrant I'd be open to accepting it was unintentional. |
joshcryer |
Mar-23-11 06:07 AM |
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I knew that was you before I clicked on the link |
ixion |
Mar-23-11 06:32 AM |
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Nobody resents a little thing like getting shot. |
daleo |
Mar-22-11 10:44 PM |
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LOL! |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 10:38 AM |
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Just to recap... |
Random Guy |
Mar-22-11 07:48 PM |
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It's part our Platinum Freedom Package... |
Poll_Blind |
Mar-22-11 08:01 PM |
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War is Peace............but now with 15% more war! |
Baclava |
Mar-22-11 10:53 PM |
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War!!1111 I thought we were only enabling our allies who are leading this mission. |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 10:56 AM |
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LOL. |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 10:52 AM |
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Mar-22-11 08:26 PM |
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Is that any kind of way to greet those who will receive you with flowers and candy? |
JVS |
Mar-22-11 09:16 PM |
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A gigantic piece of garbage and failure, just as expected. |
Dash87 |
Mar-22-11 09:27 PM |
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This story has not been confirmed. There are conflicting accounts. In fact, it's being denied. |
ClarkUSA |
Mar-22-11 09:59 PM |
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It sounds like an extraction gone awry. |
sofa king |
Mar-22-11 10:14 PM |
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hey, what's more American than shooting first and asking questions later? |
provis99 |
Mar-22-11 11:42 PM |
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have you ever run through the streets of a foreign city being shot at from all directions |
Vinee |
Mar-23-11 08:27 AM |
#97 |
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Have you ever realized that you think every country inhabited by Muslims |
sudopod |
Mar-23-11 11:45 AM |
#116 |
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have you ever realized that you interrupt other folks conversations with random off topic questions? |
Vinee |
Mar-23-11 04:00 PM |
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Why should he? That's exactly what you just did. |
Nihil |
Mar-24-11 10:54 AM |
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How was I off topic? For that matter, how are you on topic? |
Vinee |
Mar-24-11 09:15 PM |
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You were off topic by your comment in .97 |
Nihil |
Mar-24-11 09:47 PM |
#145 |
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If you don't like it, don't send them to war. Call up Obama and tell him to bring them home. |
Vinee |
Mar-25-11 04:02 AM |
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nice "humanitarian mission", that |
ixion |
Mar-23-11 06:03 AM |
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Why do people keep bumping misleading reports? We now know the marines didn't shoot... |
joshcryer |
Mar-23-11 06:10 AM |
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You really should provide a link when you make a counter-claim |
daleo |
Mar-23-11 10:30 PM |
#137 |
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Very happy to see they were recovered safe |
WatsonT |
Mar-23-11 08:38 AM |
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I'm not happy. Somebody has to go through the rest of life without a leg over this. |
Arrowhead2k1 |
Mar-24-11 09:20 PM |
#140 |
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Hey, at least it's not $Obama$ so there's obviously not a problem ... |
Nihil |
Mar-24-11 09:51 PM |
#146 |
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But they're alive |
WatsonT |
Mar-25-11 08:26 AM |
#150 |
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President Obama |
TheLastMohican |
Mar-23-11 10:41 AM |
#109 |
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Bottom line: I'm glad I don't have to make these decisions. |
No Elephants |
Mar-23-11 11:00 AM |
#113 |
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So unnecessary. Very bad decisions all around here. |
BlueIris |
Mar-23-11 11:52 AM |
#117 |
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"When will it end"? I have my theories... |
Baclava |
Mar-23-11 12:17 PM |
#123 |
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