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Jakes Progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-11 01:55 PM
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87. Yep. Which ones?
I didn't ask about closing loopholes. My uncle is a Fortune 500 accountant. He loves it when the government "closes loopholes". They have fifty lined up for every one the government closes.

I was asking about increasing the taxes on the people who caused the mess we are in. Closing a loophole on a corporation is like putting a thumb in a breaking dam. Has any of these guys written a bill to take back the tax break that the wealthy just got. I like Kerry too, But he falls into the category that would get hit by such a tax. As do many in congress. So it is easier to play with language and put patches here and there. Just pass the tax.

And I'm sorry. I don't see any of the bills you mention, let alone the corporate gift that is Obama's plan, that will put people back to work. We lost millions of jobs. We are still shipping jobs overseas every day. I had two men that I counseled' with this week who were laid off when their graphic arts jobs were farmed out to India.

Senators getting together over brunch to "cooperate" on finding jobs so that they can feel good will not get it done. For every job in a fiber optics company that is created for a temporary project, there are thousands of guys desperate to feed their families. I see them every day. The start up visa bill will create dozens of jobs. The beer act will give tax breaks to -wait for it - people who own breweries. Know any poor brewery owners? Again. Dozens and Dozens of low end jobs. I hope the expense account brie on toast was worth it. We paid for the lunch.

Kerry is a nice guy. He just doesn't get it. I'm afraid your sources don't either.

Getting back to the original concept in the OP. Would any of your heroes care to go on record vowing not to support or vote for any bill that cuts social security? Got a link to a space where Kerry condemns those portions of the progress made by the cat food commission?
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  -More than 60 senators call on Obama to join deficit-reduction talks alp227  Mar-18-11 01:06 PM   #0 
  - How about those more than 60 senators joining in.....  suston96   Mar-18-11 01:13 PM   #1 
  - Actually most of the Democrats are speaking of all the things you speak of  karynnj   Mar-18-11 01:53 PM   #13 
  - karynnh, which Democrats signed this?  JDPriestly   Mar-18-11 02:06 PM   #19 
  - Except that it makes too much sense.  russspeakeasy   Mar-18-11 02:10 PM   #20 
  - I like Schakowsky's tax reform proposal as well - but this does not  karynnj   Mar-18-11 02:13 PM   #21 
     - We should adopt Schakowsky's proposal as is with no delay.  JDPriestly   Mar-18-11 11:21 PM   #48 
        - You think the House will allow this to come to a vote, much less pass that?  karynnj   Mar-19-11 06:45 AM   #51 
  - Ah. Well as long as they are speaking. We can always believe a politician's speeches..  Jakes Progress   Mar-18-11 04:50 PM   #36 
     - If their records match the words - which they do for people like Kerry, Brown and Durbin,  karynnj   Mar-18-11 05:54 PM   #39 
        - Ahh. The old "Poor us. We can't do anything" approach.  Jakes Progress   Mar-18-11 09:51 PM   #44 
           - That is not what the document says  karynnj   Mar-19-11 06:13 AM   #50 
              - This is what the document says. Rosy glasses my blur it, but the words are plain.  Jakes Progress   Mar-19-11 07:16 AM   #52 
                 - Note what is in direct quotes and what is not  karynnj   Mar-19-11 07:58 AM   #54 
                    - So you believe the commission's report is a good thing?  Jakes Progress   Mar-19-11 09:27 AM   #61 
                       - No I don't  karynnj   Mar-19-11 01:00 PM   #75 
                          - Not a very nice game you are playing here.  Jakes Progress   Mar-19-11 10:01 PM   #77 
                             - Which of my heroes is asking for a tax increase on the wealthy ?  karynnj   Mar-20-11 11:00 AM   #86 
                                - Yep. Which ones?  Jakes Progress   Mar-20-11 01:55 PM   #87 
                                   - Kerry speaks against cutting social security in that speech  karynnj   Mar-21-11 08:07 AM   #92 
  - It means they have seen the numbers and they look bad--really bad.  fittosurvive   Mar-18-11 02:30 PM   #29 
  - I  fittosurvive   Mar-18-11 02:30 PM   #30 
  - Government does not create jobs unless they are government  24601   Mar-19-11 09:15 AM   #59 
  - So....even less regulation and even more tax cuts for the rich? Ronnie, is that you?  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 09:52 AM   #64 
     - Read my post again - the words "tax cut" are not included - as they  24601   Mar-20-11 07:21 AM   #79 
  - How about stopping all these wars? And we just entered another one  wordpix   Mar-19-11 10:11 PM   #78 
  - When will they issue a statement saying:  Newest Reality   Mar-18-11 01:15 PM   #2 
  - Un-recers unrecing? Hmmm? - NT  Newest Reality   Mar-18-11 01:20 PM   #3 
  - With Democrats like those, who needs enemies !  Mr. Sparkle   Mar-18-11 01:22 PM   #4 
  - So you don't think that Obama should get engaged in trying to reduce the deficit?  totodeinhere   Mar-18-11 01:41 PM   #8 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-18-11 01:45 PM   #10 
     - +1  Little Star   Mar-18-11 07:14 PM   #43 
     - I agree with you...But you are suppose to be CYNICAL!  SkyDaddy7   Mar-18-11 01:49 PM   #12 
     - Yeah, because unthinking optimism has worked so well for us.  Jakes Progress   Mar-19-11 07:17 AM   #53 
     - I have already seen his negotiating skills. They stink.  russspeakeasy   Mar-18-11 02:13 PM   #22 
     - Are you kidding?  EC   Mar-18-11 02:16 PM   #23 
     - No. Obama is a lousy negotiator.  JDPriestly   Mar-18-11 02:20 PM   #27 
     - He may be a lousy negotiator, but he is the president and it should be his role to be involved one  totodeinhere   Mar-18-11 04:42 PM   #35 
        - He already gave them his budget.  boppers   Mar-18-11 10:36 PM   #45 
        - +1  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 08:15 AM   #55 
        - I doubt that his presence will move anything in any positive direction.  JDPriestly   Mar-18-11 11:19 PM   #47 
           - As many Dems as Pubs signed the letter. What was the Dems' motivation?  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 08:56 AM   #57 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-19-11 10:24 AM   #68 
        - No apology is necessary. I have always respected your very well thought out  totodeinhere   Mar-19-11 12:14 PM   #74 
  - Don't let this drop out of sight.......  suston96   Mar-18-11 01:33 PM   #5 
  - "Someone get the names of the 64" You excel at delegating?  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 09:28 AM   #62 
  - Awesome.  avaistheone1   Mar-18-11 01:37 PM   #6 
  - There are 60 of the villains in America's story.  Jakes Progress   Mar-18-11 01:38 PM   #7 
  - You might want to check Sherrod Brown's record - he is the populist that John Edwards only pretended  karynnj   Mar-18-11 01:59 PM   #15 
     - If it is so great, why didn't the Senate do this while Democrats were in the majority,  JDPriestly   Mar-18-11 02:22 PM   #28 
     - I think we should have attempted to do it last year, but we didn't  karynnj   Mar-18-11 03:35 PM   #33 
        - Republicans alone cannot defund squat.  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 08:51 AM   #56 
     - Speeches. We don't need no stinkin' speeches.  Jakes Progress   Mar-18-11 04:55 PM   #37 
        - "I wouldn't mind a progressive president getting in on the talks." Whom did you have in mind?  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 09:59 AM   #65 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-18-11 01:44 PM   #9 
  - Why does Obama ALWAYS have to babysit these clowns???  AllTooEasy   Mar-18-11 01:47 PM   #11 
  - This is a huge important thing to do and BOTH sides want the President involved  karynnj   Mar-18-11 02:02 PM   #17 
  - According to Reply 45, Obama already did propose his budget.  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 09:12 AM   #58 
  - Actually, a President is supposed to lead more than only the Executive branch.  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 09:25 AM   #60 
  - Because he's one of them. How many times do you have to be slapped in the face with a dead fish  tom_paine   Mar-20-11 08:25 AM   #84 
  - At This Point I Think the President uses the GOP as Cover  fascisthunter   Mar-18-11 01:59 PM   #14 
  - Don't you have it backwards???  Plucketeer   Mar-18-11 02:19 PM   #26 
     - lol  fascisthunter   Mar-18-11 06:50 PM   #40 
  - It's obama's fault...  dennis4868   Mar-18-11 02:01 PM   #16 
  - If he does get involved.........  frebrd   Mar-18-11 02:02 PM   #18 
  - I have been listening and watching very carefully......  suston96   Mar-18-11 02:17 PM   #24 
  - I seem to recall that Obama sent them a budget  Bandit   Mar-18-11 02:18 PM   #25 
  - Do you think a dialogue is too much to ask when the country is in this much trouble?  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 09:47 AM   #63 
  - Unless this includes a 75% tax on the top 1% - I'd say no.  slay   Mar-18-11 02:37 PM   #31 
  - +1  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 10:02 AM   #66 
  - All Hail The Great Deficit Commission!  chill_wind   Mar-18-11 02:40 PM   #32 
  - I'll take politicians seriously on deficit reduction...  Aerows   Mar-18-11 03:47 PM   #34 
  - That's well said! And absolutely true.  plumbob   Mar-18-11 10:48 PM   #46 
  - Hear hear.  arikara   Mar-19-11 12:33 AM   #49 
  - 300 know-nothing economists told Obama/Congress  chill_wind   Mar-18-11 05:36 PM   #38 
  - right  fascisthunter   Mar-18-11 06:50 PM   #41 
  - FDR's recovery tanked when he buckled to Rethugs bloviating about deficit  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 10:11 AM   #67 
  - kick  chill_wind   Mar-18-11 07:09 PM   #42 
  - Remember how productive bi-partisan talks Obama held on HCR were?  No Elephants   Mar-19-11 10:28 AM   #69 
  - They want political cover. All of them. nt  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-19-11 10:43 AM   #70 
     - But Obama wants just as much political cover.  robcon   Mar-19-11 10:58 AM   #71 
     - He's got cover if he ignores it.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-19-11 04:58 PM   #76 
        - Kind of. However, he is already responsible for his own proposed budget and, at some point, will  No Elephants   Mar-20-11 08:02 AM   #81 
           - That he will.  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-20-11 06:26 PM   #88 
     - Hence my remark about re-election.  No Elephants   Mar-20-11 08:04 AM   #82 
        - Which one?  RUMMYisFROSTED   Mar-20-11 06:27 PM   #89 
  - Welcome to Fantasy Island.  Zorra   Mar-19-11 11:10 AM   #72 
  - Good analogy. Bad things follow from that method.  freshwest   Mar-20-11 07:17 PM   #90 
  - The discredited republican party of 2008  Babel_17   Mar-19-11 11:43 AM   #73 
  - Seduced, yes. Compelled, no.  No Elephants   Mar-20-11 08:10 AM   #83 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-20-11 07:31 AM   #80 
  - with stories like this re: O's proposed $36 billion bailout of nuke industry, NO ONE has credibility  wordpix   Mar-20-11 09:14 AM   #85 
  - That's it --- we MUST have a purge.  tcaudilllg   Mar-21-11 01:41 AM   #91 
  - Just raise the minimum retirement age to 169. And pay for wars with our SS money!  RedCloud   Mar-21-11 01:45 PM   #93 

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