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83. Let them try and then name names
"for the past month, Obama has been trying to come up with a way to close Guantanamo that would not be reversed on Capitol Hill. He couldn't do it. It was very clear...if he issued an order to close Guantanamo, and moved the detainees onto US soil for trial, the Congress would immediately pass a law to reverse his order."

But that would take political courage and Obama has proven again and again that he goes where (he thinks) the wind is blowing. There's a reelection to be thought of.
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  -AP Sources: Pres. Obama to Allow New Military Terror Trials at Guantanamo Hissyspit  Mar-07-11 01:30 PM   #0 
  - if true, it's another nail in the coffin of democracy (not to mention Obama's 2012 candidacy)....  mike_c   Mar-07-11 01:37 PM   #1 
  - It wasn't a coffin nail when FDR allowed tribunals of the Germans  24601   Mar-07-11 06:03 PM   #8 
     - SCOTUS then also upheld the constitutionality of mass internment of Americans  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 03:28 PM   #108 
     - Hunh? We were 'at war' with Germany, meaning Congress had  coalition_unwilling   Mar-08-11 04:51 PM   #114 
        - None of the SCOTUS rulings have turned on the difference  24601   Mar-08-11 08:57 PM   #120 
           - I'm going to have to go back and review the history of those  coalition_unwilling   Mar-08-11 10:34 PM   #123 
              - If they are in essence POWs, the usual practice has been to  24601   Mar-09-11 08:31 PM   #125 
  - If there is a point to this  Demeter   Mar-07-11 01:38 PM   #2 
  - Me either  Zax2me   Mar-07-11 02:47 PM   #5 
  - He chose his advisors. This is on him.  aquart   Mar-07-11 01:48 PM   #3 
  - He ownes the GWB policies more and more each day.  blackspade   Mar-07-11 02:19 PM   #4 
  - Very disappointing...  Organic Machine   Mar-07-11 02:48 PM   #6 
  - What in the Hell does the President stand to gain by continuing  ladjf   Mar-07-11 05:41 PM   #7 
  - AP source: Obama to restart Guantanamo trials  Ian David   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #9 
  - Are We Going to Have to Walker All Over Him, Too?  Demeter   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #10 
  - This story must be mistaken...  hughee99   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #11 
  - Obama fails again  wuushew   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #12 
  - Bloody Hell!  laconicsax   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #13 
  - "Change you can believe in." nt  bemildred   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #14 
  - he is simply war-machine, big bankster sock puppet,as will be anyone allowed to be the US president  stockholmer   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #15 
  - sounds like Bush  salinen   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #18 
  - Sad but true. (n/t)  Nihil   Mar-08-11 07:16 AM   #22 
  - Bad  underpants   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #16 
  - I thought we had closed this fascist chapter of our history  mwrguy   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #17 
  - Obama lifts suspension on military terror trials at Guantánamo Bay  CHIMO   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #19 
  - You can always count on Obama!  Poll_Blind   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #20 
  - Pres. Obama's hand was forced by Congress, who refuses to allow detainees to be tried on US soil.  ClarkUSA   Mar-08-11 05:51 AM   #21 
     - If he'd acted within his first year in office like he said he would  Capitalocracy   Mar-08-11 03:43 PM   #110 
  - Obama Creates Indefinite Detention System For Prisoners At Guantanamo Bay  Purveyor   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #23 
  - The news keeps getting better!  laconicsax   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #24 
  - Hope and change. Blah  emilyg   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #31 
  - Our justice system isn't supposed to be a weapon.  EFerrari   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #25 
  - BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! BOOOOO!!! BOOOOO FUCKING, FUCKING  TalkingDog   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #26 
  - Time for this executive to order bi-partisan opponents of closing  azul   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #27 
  - Indefinite detention regardless of where, is a different issue.  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #85 
  - Everybody sing!  Blacksheep214   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #28 
  - Oh shit!  Shining Jack   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #51 
  - A effing *Executive Order* no less. Hot damn. And isn't it nice that  chill_wind   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #29 
  - Oh, for fucks sake!  blackspade   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #30 
  - I can't say  libmom74   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #32 
  - Yeah  slay   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #45 
  - All by design from disaster capitalists...The Corporate States of America...  sasquuatch55   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #79 
  - At this point, with the rah-rah crowd of Obama cheerleaders and  coalition_unwilling   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #93 
  - I am going to try and understand this.  DemocratAholic   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #33 
  - If a man isn't willing to sacrifice his political career for what is right  sudopod   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #36 
  - i so want to agree with you  DemocratAholic   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #39 
  - WTF  Skittles   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #50 
  - i wish that were possible  DemocratAholic   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #54 
  - It would be nice if he TRIED.  tblue   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #57 
  - That's not even true.  Capitalocracy   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #58 
  - my point was...  DemocratAholic   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #63 
     - You are conflating a "right" with "desirable in my personal world view."  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #90 
  - So, Republicons are smart enough to get lies across, but Dems are not smart enough to get truth  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #89 
  - So why pander to them?  Doctor_J   Mar-09-11 11:07 PM   #126 
  - But how could a sitting President ever manage to get his voice heard?  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #88 
  - Think of the consequences  JonLP24   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #70 
  - Public support is almost never naturally behind a war, either.  Heywood J   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #71 
  - well then enjoy having Mike Huckabee as president in 2012?  alp227   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #44 
  - So we need to be Republicans  MannyGoldstein   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #73 
  - +1. Very well said!  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #98 
  - Indefinite detention eliminates the need for pesky trials. Annd what Manny Goldstein said. Besides  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #91 
  - i should've said Ahmed Ghailani too n/t  alp227   Mar-08-11 12:20 PM   #106 
  - Those with deep scruples rarely get as far as fast or ever as Obama did  tavalon   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #48 
  - I feel you.  sudopod   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #52 
  - Name me a government that committed human rights abuses  Capitalocracy   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #65 
  - What you say is true. nt  Enthusiast   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #78 
  - Don't blame the victims.  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #97 
  - If we can't win an election in the US because our ideas are unpopular  sudopod   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #100 
     - iWho lost on that platform?  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 03:58 PM   #111 
        - :3 nt  sudopod   Mar-08-11 06:42 PM   #117 
  - You speak of black box voting?  tavalon   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #102 
  - I know I was smitten and taken for a ride  tavalon   Mar-08-11 07:31 PM   #118 
  - Yes, but getting  pecwae   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #80 
     - You'de think it, huh?  tavalon   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #103 
  - AMEN! Not one incidence of torture or death is worth his effing political career!  tblue   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #56 
     - +1 nt  sudopod   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #59 
  - When he made that promise to close Gitmo,  Capitalocracy   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #55 
  - I understand your argument.  Enthusiast   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #76 
  - Please see Reply 62,  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #86 
  - He's got the bully pulpit  primavera   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #92 
  - What a complete disappointment he is.  FedUpWithIt All   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #34 
  - FFFFFUUUUUUUUU  NuclearDem   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #35 
  - So much for a whole ton of jobs for one town in IL  PatrynXX   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #37 
  - FTS  taught_me_patience   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #38 
  - oh well...who else can we vote for?  madrchsod   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #40 
  - No-one who could win a national election, I fear  muriel_volestrangler   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #68 
     - Good grief.  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #99 
        - Yeah, but what can you do against a 90-6 vote in the Senate?  muriel_volestrangler   Mar-08-11 12:20 PM   #107 
           - I stand by my prior post. Read the thread.  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 04:06 PM   #112 
              - You made about 10 'prior posts'. Which one, apart from 'good grief'?  muriel_volestrangler   Mar-08-11 05:37 PM   #116 
  - Obama might as well kill two birds with one stone...  TheeHazelnut   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #41 
  - Plus, that way he can go ahead and cut TFA without losing the positions...  realisticphish   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #64 
  - If we used our schools as prisons  Capitalocracy   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #66 
  - There goes pretty much the chance for the USA to not be a rogue nation.  plumbob   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #42 
  - Disgrace. nt  Bluebear   Mar-08-11 12:18 PM   #43 
  - Well, how to defend this?  crim son   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #46 
  - Thanks Obama,  tavalon   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #47 
  - ........  trusty elf   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #49 
  - Yep  Solly Mack   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #60 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #53 
  - And some still say there is no Shadow Government  Ter   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #61 
  - +1 (n/t)  Nihil   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #81 
  - Nice going,  area51   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #62 
  - I at least have respect for Jimmy Carter...  MrMickeysMom   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #67 
  - I would substitute "Dem" for "black," unless you have very hard evidence  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 12:20 PM   #104 
     - I purposely used "black" due to my own perception...  MrMickeysMom   Mar-08-11 09:36 PM   #122 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #69 
  - Obama Is Left Between A Rock And A Hard Place  DallasNE   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #72 
  - Honestly, I'd rather see a terrorist set loose  Capitalocracy   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #77 
  - i agree 100 percent but...  DemocratAholic   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #82 
  - Let them try and then name names  theaocp   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #83 
  - Well Written Response And I Agree  DallasNE   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #94 
  - Yes, there is a way.  lfairban   Mar-08-11 12:20 PM   #105 
  - You're saying Congress would overturn it on their own  Capitalocracy   Mar-08-11 03:40 PM   #109 
  - You say you agree with the post. If that is true, the rest of your reply makes no sense.  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 04:39 PM   #113 
  - Actually, at worst, they would be only 'alleged terrorists' and the  coalition_unwilling   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #96 
  - Oh, please.  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 04:56 PM   #115 
  - I thought I was electing a leader  Loki   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #74 
  - WHY? Why is he doing this?  Frank Cannon   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #75 
  - "to ensure that our security and our values are strengthened" LOLOLOL.  No Elephants   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #84 
     - Is There Anything At All This Guy Would Fight For?  LeFleur1   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #87 
     - "Is There Anything at All This Guy Would Fight For?"  Shining Jack   Mar-09-11 02:43 AM   #124 
     - Life in prison without trial is now "our values"?  SOS   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #95 
        - damn straight. nt  sudopod   Mar-08-11 12:19 PM   #101 
  - Why was/is this being ignored? "Montana town offers to take Gitmo prisoners"  Turborama   Mar-08-11 07:41 PM   #119 
  - That would be President Barak Walker Obama, n/t  24601   Mar-08-11 08:59 PM   #121 
 

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