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Sat Feb-26-11 01:08 PM
Response to Reply #87 |
| 88. I get that point and agree the US and many others armed him. However, I don't agree |
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with you that this uprising was a planned CIA or US or western plot to get the oil. Sorry, but imo it is an insult to all the protesters, many who have lost lives in their desire to get rid of Gaddafi. Just because it's happened in the past doesn't mean it's happening now.
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| -Venezuela: US fomenting violence in Libya |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 09:40 PM |
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This is strictly the Libyan people in revolt against the dictator, Gaddafi -- - |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 09:45 PM |
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I agree, I do not believe Gaddafi is facing a civil war, I believe he is facing an uprising. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 09:48 PM |
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It certainly isn't a civil war -- and besides Gaddafi is trying to deny anything going on!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 09:50 PM |
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Gaddafi is actually trying to play up the civil war line, to marginalize the United Libya. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 09:55 PM |
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Gaddafi continues to use lies/propaganda ... but no civil war, only huge uprising by Libyans..!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:09 PM |
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I was ashamed when I saw some fellow DUers believing the propaganda. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:10 PM |
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Name removed |
Feb-24-11 10:28 PM |
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Oh oh |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-24-11 09:46 PM |
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this story is so foolish, |
sasha031 |
Feb-24-11 09:56 PM |
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I've been having doubts about Chavez but his supporting this detestable |
snagglepuss |
Feb-24-11 10:00 PM |
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Think what Chavez is saying is our CIA is not to be trusted ... !! And who would trust them?? |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:11 PM |
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You are in a violent revolt. Someone says "here are weapons." |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:17 PM |
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No --- if you've paid any attention to these uprisings, they are non-violent .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:32 PM |
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The Libyan uprising started as non-violent, but violence was necessitated... |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:38 PM |
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Libyan uprising has remained non-violent -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:47 PM |
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Please see post #32 to understand where I'm coming from. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 11:26 PM |
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I don't trust the CIA but why do you accept the idea that the US wants Gadaffi |
snagglepuss |
Feb-25-11 12:49 PM |
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You're confused on my positions ... Don't trust CIA and don't necessarily think |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:32 PM |
#76 |
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Venezuala: US behind violence in Libya. Violence in Libya, protestors. Protesters want Gaddafi out. |
joshcryer |
Feb-27-11 06:30 AM |
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The actual statement (in spanish) is ambiguous |
bhikkhu |
Feb-24-11 10:03 PM |
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The last phrase is not ambigious, it's directly translated to English even: |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:09 PM |
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Fine points of definition... |
bhikkhu |
Feb-24-11 11:15 PM |
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In this case it's actually not ambiguous, there's no nuance. |
joshcryer |
Feb-25-11 12:10 AM |
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Thanks for the link. |
bhikkhu |
Feb-25-11 10:13 AM |
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I live in Venezuela, I am a native Spanish speaker, and I say Chavez is backing Kaddafi |
social_critic |
Feb-25-11 12:51 AM |
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I have a suggestion - |
bitchkitty |
Feb-25-11 01:11 PM |
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Hey, that's a nice idea!! |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:21 PM |
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At least two people now have pointed out that it is "ambiguous" -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:38 PM |
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A year or two ago Chavez equated Gaddafi with Simon Bolivar |
11cents |
Feb-24-11 10:06 PM |
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Can we get a comment from some of the Chavez defenders at DU? |
totodeinhere |
Feb-24-11 10:07 PM |
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imo, I'd trust Castro and Chavez before I'd trust our CIA -- !! That's for sure!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:12 PM |
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ditto |
sasha031 |
Feb-24-11 10:14 PM |
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I think the CIA is probably on the ground there, and may even be helping with arms. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:16 PM |
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And who are the CIA arming . . . mercenaries? Some suspicion of that ... !! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:26 PM |
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Maybe but I don't think so. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:31 PM |
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CIA is "retarded" in a fascist sense -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:37 PM |
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I didn't say that they were arming anyone, I said "may." |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:43 PM |
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The CIA plays one side ... the fascist side -- the Dictator side .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:48 PM |
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Please understand I am not arguing that. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 11:25 PM |
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If you are arguing in any way that CIA is ever NOT on the fascist side .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-25-11 09:30 PM |
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Not at all. |
joshcryer |
Feb-26-11 07:22 AM |
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You're saying that's what Venezuela is saying .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:26 PM |
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if you speak Spanish just look up "Chavez Kaddafi Youtube" |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:25 PM |
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Nobody is talking CIA here, my friend |
social_critic |
Feb-25-11 12:52 AM |
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This reflects very poorly on Mr. Chavez |
creeksneakers2 |
Feb-24-11 10:15 PM |
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Yes it does, Chavez is showing his colors to the world |
social_critic |
Feb-25-11 12:55 AM |
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Estas mamando gallo. Actually Venezuela and Libya partners for 40 yrs. |
RedCloud |
Feb-26-11 04:50 PM |
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I eat arepas, |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:28 PM |
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There was this reported earlier today: |
dixiegrrrrl |
Feb-24-11 10:26 PM |
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Not this time. Khaddafi is just a violent, crazy dick. |
Throd |
Feb-24-11 10:50 PM |
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An empty assertion with no facts or reasons, and a stupid one at that. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Feb-24-11 11:47 PM |
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I'd like to see that "assertion" in direct quotes |
reorg |
Feb-25-11 12:13 AM |
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I *think* he's referring to Chavez' tweet. |
joshcryer |
Feb-25-11 12:18 AM |
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Chavez probably remembers |
reorg |
Feb-25-11 01:07 AM |
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Let's hope the Libyan people get it done before NATO decides to. |
joshcryer |
Feb-25-11 01:09 AM |
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At this time, reports of special US, UK, France "special forces" entering Libya .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:41 PM |
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I kind of doubt those reports as they are unsourced and no one else in any media |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 12:51 PM |
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We'll see -- but US, UK, France = Global Gun Runners ... and have armed Gaddafi -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:54 PM |
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sure, but there is a big difference between what you posted and what |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 12:57 PM |
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We don't know yet -- my MAIN POINT WAS US IS A GLOBAL GUN RUNNER ... !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 01:01 PM |
#87 |
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I get that point and agree the US and many others armed him. However, I don't agree |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 01:08 PM |
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Only YOU are saying anything like that -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 01:18 PM |
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actually, there are many comments on this thread about the CIA |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 01:26 PM |
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They were posters SPECULATING on what Chavez might have meant .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 01:30 PM |
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Well, I'm not speculating. I heard it myself. |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:32 PM |
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I for one |
nalnn |
Feb-25-11 07:45 AM |
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How can we help? |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Feb-25-11 10:24 AM |
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Well... |
nalnn |
Feb-25-11 11:31 AM |
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Chavez considers the worlds most detestable tyrants his "brothers" |
Imajika |
Feb-25-11 10:34 AM |
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Actually, he didn't like Bush. |
L. Coyote |
Feb-25-11 09:46 PM |
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Even Worse, |
naaman fletcher |
Feb-26-11 12:27 AM |
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Chavez has long ago "jumped the shark" |
FLPanhandle |
Feb-25-11 10:43 AM |
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Sweating, Hugo???? n/t |
msanthrope |
Feb-25-11 11:37 AM |
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I doubt it. |
Forkboy |
Feb-25-11 10:01 PM |
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Oh gimme a break! - like Texaco and Chevron don't really want Kahdafi outta there - get real ! |
Imagevision |
Feb-25-11 01:04 PM |
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Realistically, Chevron and Texaco merged, they are the same company |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 10:41 AM |
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Of course they'd like to see the Libyan people controlling their own oil -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:42 PM |
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The Lybian people do control their own oil now, the rebels took the oil fields |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:35 PM |
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Perhaps Chevron can rehire Condi Rice and appoint her the Libya dictator |
Imagevision |
Feb-25-11 01:06 PM |
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What a poorly written article, not entirely reflective of the truth. |
L. Coyote |
Feb-25-11 09:45 PM |
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here is a bit more |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 06:12 AM |
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Thank you. Interesting which parts the article ignored, and what they added |
L. Coyote |
Feb-26-11 08:28 AM |
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Which article ignored and added? |
joshcryer |
Feb-26-11 08:50 AM |
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Somewhat clearer -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:44 PM |
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I used to support Chavez |
upi402 |
Feb-26-11 01:11 AM |
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I live in Venezuela, but I never supported Chavez |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 10:45 AM |
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so, you approved of the right-wing dictator Venezuela used to have? |
ReggieVeggie |
Feb-27-11 07:18 AM |
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The US truly has problems, but to hate the US so much is CRAZY |
goforit |
Feb-26-11 05:58 AM |
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Do you imagine Hugo Chavez may have instigated this angry mob around Richard Nixon |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-26-11 06:13 AM |
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Finally, we have identified the dude who spit on Tricky Dick |
L. Coyote |
Feb-26-11 11:39 AM |
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Yep. If he's still alive, we may have just enough time to get him to Guantanamo! |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-27-11 12:26 AM |
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No |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:38 PM |
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Chavez is a realist, and knows personally how the US acts in Latin America. Sadly, |
L. Coyote |
Feb-26-11 08:32 AM |
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Better link: |
joshcryer |
Feb-26-11 08:38 AM |
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Chavez' "anti imperialism" is fascist posturing - he needs an outside enemy |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 10:47 AM |
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OMG. When did nationalizing corporations become fascism. Way to throw slurs |
L. Coyote |
Feb-26-11 11:37 AM |
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+1000% -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:50 PM |
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Nationalizing businesses isn't fascism, and it isn't a bad thing |
NuclearDem |
Feb-26-11 05:47 PM |
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Chavez does a lot more than nationalizing corporations |
social_critic |
Feb-27-11 01:54 AM |
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Chavez just uses the US as a bogeyman whenever he needs to divert attention away from something |
FLPanhandle |
Feb-26-11 09:55 AM |
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Exactly |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 10:50 AM |
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You may not have noticed, but US has become a "bogeyman" -- UN calls us "terrorist" nation -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:51 PM |
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B.S. |
FLPanhandle |
Feb-26-11 01:17 PM |
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Do you deny United Nations has called US "a terrorist nation" ... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 01:20 PM |
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not going to deny it but I'm sure you can provide a link and context |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 01:29 PM |
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Not being aware of a single United Nations does not make someone unaware of American history |
NuclearDem |
Feb-26-11 05:44 PM |
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Exactly, this is just like when we look around the world... |
NuclearDem |
Feb-26-11 05:42 PM |
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Whoa ... Chavez does not hate the US ... Chavez lashes out at out CIA which has tried twice |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:49 PM |
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And he's lashing out against the protesters in Libya under the guise of CIA intervention! |
joshcryer |
Feb-27-11 06:26 AM |
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i'm kind of disheartened by this news |
BOG PERSON |
Feb-26-11 05:14 PM |
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no -- this is Chavez spinning any US involvement as 'imperialism' |
KurtNYC |
Feb-26-11 09:22 PM |
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any US involvement is imperialism |
ReggieVeggie |
Feb-27-11 07:20 AM |
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US corporations allowing Libyans to write on their websites, for instance. |
joshcryer |
Feb-27-11 08:22 AM |
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Hugo, the 'super secret US spies' bogeyman meme is getting old |
NuclearDem |
Feb-26-11 05:36 PM |
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Not as old as paying for the damn bogeyman spies with borrowed money from China |
L. Coyote |
Feb-26-11 07:50 PM |
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If Chavez were dictator here we wouldn't be much better off |
NuclearDem |
Feb-26-11 08:37 PM |
#108 |
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anyone.... |
unkachuck |
Feb-26-11 08:47 PM |
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American companies already had acces to Libyan oil, thank Bush. |
killbotfactory |
Feb-26-11 09:34 PM |
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They are neo-fascists posing as socialists |
social_critic |
Feb-27-11 01:59 AM |
#114 |
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Yep, market-socialism is exactly where Cuba is going, the layoffs are slated to begin soon. |
joshcryer |
Feb-27-11 06:28 AM |
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shuddup! -> we'll take care of Gadaffi!!! |
Imagevision |
Feb-27-11 02:19 AM |
#115 |
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