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Sat Feb-26-11 05:58 AM
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| 60. The US truly has problems, but to hate the US so much is CRAZY |
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This is not US instigated.
Chavez's intense hatred and paranoia will eat him alive.
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| -Venezuela: US fomenting violence in Libya |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 09:40 PM |
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This is strictly the Libyan people in revolt against the dictator, Gaddafi -- - |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 09:45 PM |
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I agree, I do not believe Gaddafi is facing a civil war, I believe he is facing an uprising. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 09:48 PM |
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It certainly isn't a civil war -- and besides Gaddafi is trying to deny anything going on!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 09:50 PM |
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Gaddafi is actually trying to play up the civil war line, to marginalize the United Libya. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 09:55 PM |
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Gaddafi continues to use lies/propaganda ... but no civil war, only huge uprising by Libyans..!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:09 PM |
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I was ashamed when I saw some fellow DUers believing the propaganda. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:10 PM |
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Name removed |
Feb-24-11 10:28 PM |
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Oh oh |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Feb-24-11 09:46 PM |
#2 |
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this story is so foolish, |
sasha031 |
Feb-24-11 09:56 PM |
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I've been having doubts about Chavez but his supporting this detestable |
snagglepuss |
Feb-24-11 10:00 PM |
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Think what Chavez is saying is our CIA is not to be trusted ... !! And who would trust them?? |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:11 PM |
#14 |
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You are in a violent revolt. Someone says "here are weapons." |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:17 PM |
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No --- if you've paid any attention to these uprisings, they are non-violent .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:32 PM |
#24 |
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The Libyan uprising started as non-violent, but violence was necessitated... |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:38 PM |
#26 |
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Libyan uprising has remained non-violent -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:47 PM |
#28 |
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Please see post #32 to understand where I'm coming from. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 11:26 PM |
#33 |
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I don't trust the CIA but why do you accept the idea that the US wants Gadaffi |
snagglepuss |
Feb-25-11 12:49 PM |
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You're confused on my positions ... Don't trust CIA and don't necessarily think |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:32 PM |
#76 |
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Venezuala: US behind violence in Libya. Violence in Libya, protestors. Protesters want Gaddafi out. |
joshcryer |
Feb-27-11 06:30 AM |
#118 |
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The actual statement (in spanish) is ambiguous |
bhikkhu |
Feb-24-11 10:03 PM |
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The last phrase is not ambigious, it's directly translated to English even: |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:09 PM |
#11 |
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Fine points of definition... |
bhikkhu |
Feb-24-11 11:15 PM |
#31 |
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In this case it's actually not ambiguous, there's no nuance. |
joshcryer |
Feb-25-11 12:10 AM |
#35 |
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Thanks for the link. |
bhikkhu |
Feb-25-11 10:13 AM |
#44 |
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I live in Venezuela, I am a native Spanish speaker, and I say Chavez is backing Kaddafi |
social_critic |
Feb-25-11 12:51 AM |
#38 |
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I have a suggestion - |
bitchkitty |
Feb-25-11 01:11 PM |
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Hey, that's a nice idea!! |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:21 PM |
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At least two people now have pointed out that it is "ambiguous" -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:38 PM |
#77 |
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A year or two ago Chavez equated Gaddafi with Simon Bolivar |
11cents |
Feb-24-11 10:06 PM |
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Can we get a comment from some of the Chavez defenders at DU? |
totodeinhere |
Feb-24-11 10:07 PM |
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imo, I'd trust Castro and Chavez before I'd trust our CIA -- !! That's for sure!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:12 PM |
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ditto |
sasha031 |
Feb-24-11 10:14 PM |
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I think the CIA is probably on the ground there, and may even be helping with arms. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:16 PM |
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And who are the CIA arming . . . mercenaries? Some suspicion of that ... !! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:26 PM |
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Maybe but I don't think so. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:31 PM |
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CIA is "retarded" in a fascist sense -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:37 PM |
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I didn't say that they were arming anyone, I said "may." |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 10:43 PM |
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The CIA plays one side ... the fascist side -- the Dictator side .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-24-11 10:48 PM |
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Please understand I am not arguing that. |
joshcryer |
Feb-24-11 11:25 PM |
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If you are arguing in any way that CIA is ever NOT on the fascist side .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-25-11 09:30 PM |
#54 |
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Not at all. |
joshcryer |
Feb-26-11 07:22 AM |
#63 |
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You're saying that's what Venezuela is saying .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:26 PM |
#75 |
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if you speak Spanish just look up "Chavez Kaddafi Youtube" |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:25 PM |
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Nobody is talking CIA here, my friend |
social_critic |
Feb-25-11 12:52 AM |
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This reflects very poorly on Mr. Chavez |
creeksneakers2 |
Feb-24-11 10:15 PM |
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Yes it does, Chavez is showing his colors to the world |
social_critic |
Feb-25-11 12:55 AM |
#40 |
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Estas mamando gallo. Actually Venezuela and Libya partners for 40 yrs. |
RedCloud |
Feb-26-11 04:50 PM |
#95 |
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I eat arepas, |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:28 PM |
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There was this reported earlier today: |
dixiegrrrrl |
Feb-24-11 10:26 PM |
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Not this time. Khaddafi is just a violent, crazy dick. |
Throd |
Feb-24-11 10:50 PM |
#30 |
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An empty assertion with no facts or reasons, and a stupid one at that. |
Waiting For Everyman |
Feb-24-11 11:47 PM |
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I'd like to see that "assertion" in direct quotes |
reorg |
Feb-25-11 12:13 AM |
#36 |
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I *think* he's referring to Chavez' tweet. |
joshcryer |
Feb-25-11 12:18 AM |
#37 |
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Chavez probably remembers |
reorg |
Feb-25-11 01:07 AM |
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Let's hope the Libyan people get it done before NATO decides to. |
joshcryer |
Feb-25-11 01:09 AM |
#42 |
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At this time, reports of special US, UK, France "special forces" entering Libya .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:41 PM |
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I kind of doubt those reports as they are unsourced and no one else in any media |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 12:51 PM |
#83 |
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We'll see -- but US, UK, France = Global Gun Runners ... and have armed Gaddafi -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:54 PM |
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sure, but there is a big difference between what you posted and what |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 12:57 PM |
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We don't know yet -- my MAIN POINT WAS US IS A GLOBAL GUN RUNNER ... !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 01:01 PM |
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I get that point and agree the US and many others armed him. However, I don't agree |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 01:08 PM |
#88 |
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Only YOU are saying anything like that -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 01:18 PM |
#90 |
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actually, there are many comments on this thread about the CIA |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 01:26 PM |
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They were posters SPECULATING on what Chavez might have meant .... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 01:30 PM |
#94 |
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Well, I'm not speculating. I heard it myself. |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:32 PM |
#100 |
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I for one |
nalnn |
Feb-25-11 07:45 AM |
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How can we help? |
JustABozoOnThisBus |
Feb-25-11 10:24 AM |
#45 |
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Well... |
nalnn |
Feb-25-11 11:31 AM |
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Chavez considers the worlds most detestable tyrants his "brothers" |
Imajika |
Feb-25-11 10:34 AM |
#46 |
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Actually, he didn't like Bush. |
L. Coyote |
Feb-25-11 09:46 PM |
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Even Worse, |
naaman fletcher |
Feb-26-11 12:27 AM |
#58 |
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Chavez has long ago "jumped the shark" |
FLPanhandle |
Feb-25-11 10:43 AM |
#47 |
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Sweating, Hugo???? n/t |
msanthrope |
Feb-25-11 11:37 AM |
#49 |
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I doubt it. |
Forkboy |
Feb-25-11 10:01 PM |
#57 |
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Oh gimme a break! - like Texaco and Chevron don't really want Kahdafi outta there - get real ! |
Imagevision |
Feb-25-11 01:04 PM |
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Realistically, Chevron and Texaco merged, they are the same company |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 10:41 AM |
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Of course they'd like to see the Libyan people controlling their own oil -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:42 PM |
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The Lybian people do control their own oil now, the rebels took the oil fields |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:35 PM |
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Perhaps Chevron can rehire Condi Rice and appoint her the Libya dictator |
Imagevision |
Feb-25-11 01:06 PM |
#52 |
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What a poorly written article, not entirely reflective of the truth. |
L. Coyote |
Feb-25-11 09:45 PM |
#55 |
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here is a bit more |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 06:12 AM |
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Thank you. Interesting which parts the article ignored, and what they added |
L. Coyote |
Feb-26-11 08:28 AM |
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Which article ignored and added? |
joshcryer |
Feb-26-11 08:50 AM |
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Somewhat clearer -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:44 PM |
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I used to support Chavez |
upi402 |
Feb-26-11 01:11 AM |
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I live in Venezuela, but I never supported Chavez |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 10:45 AM |
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so, you approved of the right-wing dictator Venezuela used to have? |
ReggieVeggie |
Feb-27-11 07:18 AM |
#119 |
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The US truly has problems, but to hate the US so much is CRAZY |
goforit |
Feb-26-11 05:58 AM |
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Do you imagine Hugo Chavez may have instigated this angry mob around Richard Nixon |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-26-11 06:13 AM |
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Finally, we have identified the dude who spit on Tricky Dick |
L. Coyote |
Feb-26-11 11:39 AM |
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Yep. If he's still alive, we may have just enough time to get him to Guantanamo! |
Judi Lynn |
Feb-27-11 12:26 AM |
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No |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 05:38 PM |
#103 |
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Chavez is a realist, and knows personally how the US acts in Latin America. Sadly, |
L. Coyote |
Feb-26-11 08:32 AM |
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Better link: |
joshcryer |
Feb-26-11 08:38 AM |
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Chavez' "anti imperialism" is fascist posturing - he needs an outside enemy |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 10:47 AM |
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OMG. When did nationalizing corporations become fascism. Way to throw slurs |
L. Coyote |
Feb-26-11 11:37 AM |
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+1000% -- |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:50 PM |
#82 |
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Nationalizing businesses isn't fascism, and it isn't a bad thing |
NuclearDem |
Feb-26-11 05:47 PM |
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Chavez does a lot more than nationalizing corporations |
social_critic |
Feb-27-11 01:54 AM |
#113 |
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Chavez just uses the US as a bogeyman whenever he needs to divert attention away from something |
FLPanhandle |
Feb-26-11 09:55 AM |
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Exactly |
social_critic |
Feb-26-11 10:50 AM |
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You may not have noticed, but US has become a "bogeyman" -- UN calls us "terrorist" nation -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:51 PM |
#84 |
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B.S. |
FLPanhandle |
Feb-26-11 01:17 PM |
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Do you deny United Nations has called US "a terrorist nation" ... |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 01:20 PM |
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not going to deny it but I'm sure you can provide a link and context |
maddezmom |
Feb-26-11 01:29 PM |
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Not being aware of a single United Nations does not make someone unaware of American history |
NuclearDem |
Feb-26-11 05:44 PM |
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Exactly, this is just like when we look around the world... |
NuclearDem |
Feb-26-11 05:42 PM |
#104 |
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Whoa ... Chavez does not hate the US ... Chavez lashes out at out CIA which has tried twice |
defendandprotect |
Feb-26-11 12:49 PM |
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And he's lashing out against the protesters in Libya under the guise of CIA intervention! |
joshcryer |
Feb-27-11 06:26 AM |
#116 |
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i'm kind of disheartened by this news |
BOG PERSON |
Feb-26-11 05:14 PM |
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no -- this is Chavez spinning any US involvement as 'imperialism' |
KurtNYC |
Feb-26-11 09:22 PM |
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any US involvement is imperialism |
ReggieVeggie |
Feb-27-11 07:20 AM |
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US corporations allowing Libyans to write on their websites, for instance. |
joshcryer |
Feb-27-11 08:22 AM |
#121 |
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Hugo, the 'super secret US spies' bogeyman meme is getting old |
NuclearDem |
Feb-26-11 05:36 PM |
#102 |
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Not as old as paying for the damn bogeyman spies with borrowed money from China |
L. Coyote |
Feb-26-11 07:50 PM |
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If Chavez were dictator here we wouldn't be much better off |
NuclearDem |
Feb-26-11 08:37 PM |
#108 |
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anyone.... |
unkachuck |
Feb-26-11 08:47 PM |
#109 |
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American companies already had acces to Libyan oil, thank Bush. |
killbotfactory |
Feb-26-11 09:34 PM |
#111 |
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They are neo-fascists posing as socialists |
social_critic |
Feb-27-11 01:59 AM |
#114 |
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Yep, market-socialism is exactly where Cuba is going, the layoffs are slated to begin soon. |
joshcryer |
Feb-27-11 06:28 AM |
#117 |
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shuddup! -> we'll take care of Gadaffi!!! |
Imagevision |
Feb-27-11 02:19 AM |
#115 |
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