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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-25-11 09:30 PM
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54. If you are arguing in any way that CIA is ever NOT on the fascist side ....
then I totally disagree with you -- that's what I'm saying.

And certainly CIA has been involved often in trying to knock out Chavez in Venezuela.

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  -Venezuela: US fomenting violence in Libya joshcryer  Feb-24-11 09:40 PM   #0 
  - This is strictly the Libyan people in revolt against the dictator, Gaddafi -- -  defendandprotect   Feb-24-11 09:45 PM   #1 
  - I agree, I do not believe Gaddafi is facing a civil war, I believe he is facing an uprising.  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 09:48 PM   #3 
  - It certainly isn't a civil war -- and besides Gaddafi is trying to deny anything going on!!  defendandprotect   Feb-24-11 09:50 PM   #4 
     - Gaddafi is actually trying to play up the civil war line, to marginalize the United Libya.  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 09:55 PM   #5 
        - Gaddafi continues to use lies/propaganda ... but no civil war, only huge uprising by Libyans..!!  defendandprotect   Feb-24-11 10:09 PM   #12 
           - I was ashamed when I saw some fellow DUers believing the propaganda.  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 10:10 PM   #13 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-24-11 10:28 PM   #22 
  - Oh oh  ProgressiveProfessor   Feb-24-11 09:46 PM   #2 
  - this story is so foolish,  sasha031   Feb-24-11 09:56 PM   #6 
  - I've been having doubts about Chavez but his supporting this detestable  snagglepuss   Feb-24-11 10:00 PM   #7 
  - Think what Chavez is saying is our CIA is not to be trusted ... !! And who would trust them??  defendandprotect   Feb-24-11 10:11 PM   #14 
     - You are in a violent revolt. Someone says "here are weapons."  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 10:17 PM   #19 
     - No --- if you've paid any attention to these uprisings, they are non-violent ....  defendandprotect   Feb-24-11 10:32 PM   #24 
        - The Libyan uprising started as non-violent, but violence was necessitated...  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 10:38 PM   #26 
           - Libyan uprising has remained non-violent --  defendandprotect   Feb-24-11 10:47 PM   #28 
              - Please see post #32 to understand where I'm coming from.  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 11:26 PM   #33 
     - I don't trust the CIA but why do you accept the idea that the US wants Gadaffi  snagglepuss   Feb-25-11 12:49 PM   #50 
        - You're confused on my positions ... Don't trust CIA and don't necessarily think  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 12:32 PM   #76 
           - Venezuala: US behind violence in Libya. Violence in Libya, protestors. Protesters want Gaddafi out.  joshcryer   Feb-27-11 06:30 AM   #118 
  - The actual statement (in spanish) is ambiguous  bhikkhu   Feb-24-11 10:03 PM   #8 
  - The last phrase is not ambigious, it's directly translated to English even:  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 10:09 PM   #11 
     - Fine points of definition...  bhikkhu   Feb-24-11 11:15 PM   #31 
     - In this case it's actually not ambiguous, there's no nuance.  joshcryer   Feb-25-11 12:10 AM   #35 
     - Thanks for the link.  bhikkhu   Feb-25-11 10:13 AM   #44 
     - I live in Venezuela, I am a native Spanish speaker, and I say Chavez is backing Kaddafi  social_critic   Feb-25-11 12:51 AM   #38 
        - I have a suggestion -  bitchkitty   Feb-25-11 01:11 PM   #53 
           - Hey, that's a nice idea!!  social_critic   Feb-26-11 05:21 PM   #97 
     - At least two people now have pointed out that it is "ambiguous" --  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 12:38 PM   #77 
  - A year or two ago Chavez equated Gaddafi with Simon Bolivar  11cents   Feb-24-11 10:06 PM   #9 
  - Can we get a comment from some of the Chavez defenders at DU?  totodeinhere   Feb-24-11 10:07 PM   #10 
  - imo, I'd trust Castro and Chavez before I'd trust our CIA -- !! That's for sure!!  defendandprotect   Feb-24-11 10:12 PM   #15 
     - ditto  sasha031   Feb-24-11 10:14 PM   #16 
     - I think the CIA is probably on the ground there, and may even be helping with arms.  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 10:16 PM   #18 
     - And who are the CIA arming . . . mercenaries? Some suspicion of that ... !!  defendandprotect   Feb-24-11 10:26 PM   #21 
        - Maybe but I don't think so.  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 10:31 PM   #23 
           - CIA is "retarded" in a fascist sense --  defendandprotect   Feb-24-11 10:37 PM   #25 
              - I didn't say that they were arming anyone, I said "may."  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 10:43 PM   #27 
                 - The CIA plays one side ... the fascist side -- the Dictator side ....  defendandprotect   Feb-24-11 10:48 PM   #29 
                    - Please understand I am not arguing that.  joshcryer   Feb-24-11 11:25 PM   #32 
                       - If you are arguing in any way that CIA is ever NOT on the fascist side ....  defendandprotect   Feb-25-11 09:30 PM   #54 
                          - Not at all.  joshcryer   Feb-26-11 07:22 AM   #63 
                             - You're saying that's what Venezuela is saying ....  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 12:26 PM   #75 
                                - if you speak Spanish just look up "Chavez Kaddafi Youtube"  social_critic   Feb-26-11 05:25 PM   #98 
     - Nobody is talking CIA here, my friend  social_critic   Feb-25-11 12:52 AM   #39 
  - This reflects very poorly on Mr. Chavez  creeksneakers2   Feb-24-11 10:15 PM   #17 
  - Yes it does, Chavez is showing his colors to the world  social_critic   Feb-25-11 12:55 AM   #40 
     - Estas mamando gallo. Actually Venezuela and Libya partners for 40 yrs.  RedCloud   Feb-26-11 04:50 PM   #95 
        - I eat arepas,  social_critic   Feb-26-11 05:28 PM   #99 
  - There was this reported earlier today:  dixiegrrrrl   Feb-24-11 10:26 PM   #20 
  - Not this time. Khaddafi is just a violent, crazy dick.  Throd   Feb-24-11 10:50 PM   #30 
  - An empty assertion with no facts or reasons, and a stupid one at that.  Waiting For Everyman   Feb-24-11 11:47 PM   #34 
  - I'd like to see that "assertion" in direct quotes  reorg   Feb-25-11 12:13 AM   #36 
     - I *think* he's referring to Chavez' tweet.  joshcryer   Feb-25-11 12:18 AM   #37 
        - Chavez probably remembers  reorg   Feb-25-11 01:07 AM   #41 
           - Let's hope the Libyan people get it done before NATO decides to.  joshcryer   Feb-25-11 01:09 AM   #42 
              - At this time, reports of special US, UK, France "special forces" entering Libya ....  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 12:41 PM   #78 
                 - I kind of doubt those reports as they are unsourced and no one else in any media  maddezmom   Feb-26-11 12:51 PM   #83 
                    - We'll see -- but US, UK, France = Global Gun Runners ... and have armed Gaddafi --  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 12:54 PM   #85 
                       - sure, but there is a big difference between what you posted and what  maddezmom   Feb-26-11 12:57 PM   #86 
                          - We don't know yet -- my MAIN POINT WAS US IS A GLOBAL GUN RUNNER ... !!!  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 01:01 PM   #87 
                             - I get that point and agree the US and many others armed him. However, I don't agree  maddezmom   Feb-26-11 01:08 PM   #88 
                                - Only YOU are saying anything like that --  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 01:18 PM   #90 
                                   - actually, there are many comments on this thread about the CIA  maddezmom   Feb-26-11 01:26 PM   #92 
                                      - They were posters SPECULATING on what Chavez might have meant ....  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 01:30 PM   #94 
                                         - Well, I'm not speculating. I heard it myself.  social_critic   Feb-26-11 05:32 PM   #100 
  - I for one  nalnn   Feb-25-11 07:45 AM   #43 
  - How can we help?  JustABozoOnThisBus   Feb-25-11 10:24 AM   #45 
     - Well...  nalnn   Feb-25-11 11:31 AM   #48 
  - Chavez considers the worlds most detestable tyrants his "brothers"  Imajika   Feb-25-11 10:34 AM   #46 
  - Actually, he didn't like Bush.  L. Coyote   Feb-25-11 09:46 PM   #56 
  - Even Worse,  naaman fletcher   Feb-26-11 12:27 AM   #58 
  - Chavez has long ago "jumped the shark"  FLPanhandle   Feb-25-11 10:43 AM   #47 
  - Sweating, Hugo???? n/t  msanthrope   Feb-25-11 11:37 AM   #49 
  - I doubt it.  Forkboy   Feb-25-11 10:01 PM   #57 
  - Oh gimme a break! - like Texaco and Chevron don't really want Kahdafi outta there - get real !  Imagevision   Feb-25-11 01:04 PM   #51 
  - Realistically, Chevron and Texaco merged, they are the same company  social_critic   Feb-26-11 10:41 AM   #69 
  - Of course they'd like to see the Libyan people controlling their own oil -- !!!  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 12:42 PM   #79 
     - The Lybian people do control their own oil now, the rebels took the oil fields  social_critic   Feb-26-11 05:35 PM   #101 
  - Perhaps Chevron can rehire Condi Rice and appoint her the Libya dictator  Imagevision   Feb-25-11 01:06 PM   #52 
  - What a poorly written article, not entirely reflective of the truth.  L. Coyote   Feb-25-11 09:45 PM   #55 
  - here is a bit more  maddezmom   Feb-26-11 06:12 AM   #61 
     - Thank you. Interesting which parts the article ignored, and what they added  L. Coyote   Feb-26-11 08:28 AM   #64 
     - Which article ignored and added?  joshcryer   Feb-26-11 08:50 AM   #67 
     - Somewhat clearer --  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 12:44 PM   #80 
  - I used to support Chavez  upi402   Feb-26-11 01:11 AM   #59 
  - I live in Venezuela, but I never supported Chavez  social_critic   Feb-26-11 10:45 AM   #70 
     - so, you approved of the right-wing dictator Venezuela used to have?  ReggieVeggie   Feb-27-11 07:18 AM   #119 
  - The US truly has problems, but to hate the US so much is CRAZY  goforit   Feb-26-11 05:58 AM   #60 
  - Do you imagine Hugo Chavez may have instigated this angry mob around Richard Nixon  Judi Lynn   Feb-26-11 06:13 AM   #62 
  - Finally, we have identified the dude who spit on Tricky Dick  L. Coyote   Feb-26-11 11:39 AM   #74 
  - Yep. If he's still alive, we may have just enough time to get him to Guantanamo!  Judi Lynn   Feb-27-11 12:26 AM   #112 
  - No  social_critic   Feb-26-11 05:38 PM   #103 
  - Chavez is a realist, and knows personally how the US acts in Latin America. Sadly,  L. Coyote   Feb-26-11 08:32 AM   #65 
  - Better link:  joshcryer   Feb-26-11 08:38 AM   #66 
  - Chavez' "anti imperialism" is fascist posturing - he needs an outside enemy  social_critic   Feb-26-11 10:47 AM   #71 
     - OMG. When did nationalizing corporations become fascism. Way to throw slurs  L. Coyote   Feb-26-11 11:37 AM   #73 
        - +1000% --  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 12:50 PM   #82 
        - Nationalizing businesses isn't fascism, and it isn't a bad thing  NuclearDem   Feb-26-11 05:47 PM   #106 
        - Chavez does a lot more than nationalizing corporations  social_critic   Feb-27-11 01:54 AM   #113 
  - Chavez just uses the US as a bogeyman whenever he needs to divert attention away from something  FLPanhandle   Feb-26-11 09:55 AM   #68 
  - Exactly  social_critic   Feb-26-11 10:50 AM   #72 
  - You may not have noticed, but US has become a "bogeyman" -- UN calls us "terrorist" nation -- !!  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 12:51 PM   #84 
  - B.S.  FLPanhandle   Feb-26-11 01:17 PM   #89 
  - Do you deny United Nations has called US "a terrorist nation" ...  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 01:20 PM   #91 
     - not going to deny it but I'm sure you can provide a link and context  maddezmom   Feb-26-11 01:29 PM   #93 
  - Not being aware of a single United Nations does not make someone unaware of American history  NuclearDem   Feb-26-11 05:44 PM   #105 
  - Exactly, this is just like when we look around the world...  NuclearDem   Feb-26-11 05:42 PM   #104 
  - Whoa ... Chavez does not hate the US ... Chavez lashes out at out CIA which has tried twice  defendandprotect   Feb-26-11 12:49 PM   #81 
     - And he's lashing out against the protesters in Libya under the guise of CIA intervention!  joshcryer   Feb-27-11 06:26 AM   #116 
  - i'm kind of disheartened by this news  BOG PERSON   Feb-26-11 05:14 PM   #96 
  - no -- this is Chavez spinning any US involvement as 'imperialism'  KurtNYC   Feb-26-11 09:22 PM   #110 
     - any US involvement is imperialism  ReggieVeggie   Feb-27-11 07:20 AM   #120 
        - US corporations allowing Libyans to write on their websites, for instance.  joshcryer   Feb-27-11 08:22 AM   #121 
  - Hugo, the 'super secret US spies' bogeyman meme is getting old  NuclearDem   Feb-26-11 05:36 PM   #102 
  - Not as old as paying for the damn bogeyman spies with borrowed money from China  L. Coyote   Feb-26-11 07:50 PM   #107 
     - If Chavez were dictator here we wouldn't be much better off  NuclearDem   Feb-26-11 08:37 PM   #108 
  - anyone....  unkachuck   Feb-26-11 08:47 PM   #109 
  - American companies already had acces to Libyan oil, thank Bush.  killbotfactory   Feb-26-11 09:34 PM   #111 
  - They are neo-fascists posing as socialists  social_critic   Feb-27-11 01:59 AM   #114 
     - Yep, market-socialism is exactly where Cuba is going, the layoffs are slated to begin soon.  joshcryer   Feb-27-11 06:28 AM   #117 
  - shuddup! -> we'll take care of Gadaffi!!!  Imagevision   Feb-27-11 02:19 AM   #115 
 

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