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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-15-11 03:59 PM
Response to Reply #66
71. Yep, and I think a lawsuit against you would be ridiculous. You, however, seem to think
Edited on Tue Feb-15-11 04:01 PM by Hosnon
defamation lawsuits should be filed whenever legally cognizable. And just because they are public figures (if, in fact, they are) doesn't mean you have an absolute defense; just that actual malice is required (evidence of that might be in this thread too).

Edit: But, with regard to the First Amendment, neither you or the Knoxes are the government.
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  -Amanda Knox's parents ordered to stand trial in Italy eppur_se_muova  Feb-15-11 01:22 PM   #0 
  - This is infuriating. Now those poor people can't visit their daughter  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 01:51 PM   #1 
  - They are "vengeful" charges. They are ACCURATE charges.  beac   Feb-15-11 02:10 PM   #8 
     - There is enough reasonable doubt to fly a 747 through. Amanda's innocent.  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:16 PM   #13 
     - Wow. You are just cutting and pasting the same "falsified evidence" all over this thread  beac   Feb-15-11 02:40 PM   #21 
        - What does this have to do with Chandra Levy? The circumstances  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:57 PM   #32 
        - You just keep clinging to the DNA myths about the case.  beac   Feb-15-11 03:48 PM   #59 
           - They didn't scour the whole apartment for Amanda's fingerprints  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 03:59 PM   #72 
              - OK, you got me! Wait, no you DIDN'T.  beac   Feb-15-11 04:24 PM   #76 
                 - Use some common sense. How, in the space of hours, could Amanda or any human being  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 04:29 PM   #77 
                    - So, in your expert opinion they did a "lousy" job of collecting any evidence related to Amanda, but  beac   Feb-15-11 04:33 PM   #79 
                       - Yes, I can have it both ways. They were determined to find her guilty from the start.  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 04:37 PM   #83 
                          - "Fingerprints are invisible"  beac   Feb-15-11 05:09 PM   #90 
                             - And why would she have done any of that? Her roommates  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 11:21 PM   #119 
        - OK, Nevermind I got my answer...  SkyDaddy7   Feb-15-11 04:00 PM   #73 
           - Um, first, YES I do believe she is guilty. But your question was about the  beac   Feb-15-11 04:31 PM   #78 
     - You are kidding, right?  SkyDaddy7   Feb-15-11 03:57 PM   #68 
     - I just realized there's a typo in my reply. Should read "aren't" and  beac   Feb-15-11 04:03 PM   #74 
     - Congrats on Dumb Post of the Day  brentspeak   Feb-15-11 10:45 PM   #116 
  - Is it just me  nalnn   Feb-15-11 01:54 PM   #2 
  - Well, I for one think the Knoxes SHOULD have to be held accountable for  beac   Feb-15-11 02:05 PM   #5 
  - I agree. If it were a US case they would have the same problem n/t  udbcrzy2   Feb-15-11 02:54 PM   #29 
  - Oh yeah? Give me an example, please, of people facing  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:58 PM   #33 
  - No, we have a First Amendment and no U.S. court would accept  former9thward   Feb-15-11 02:59 PM   #34 
  - Look, if you want to see how ridiculous things can get if people start tossing around defamation  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 03:37 PM   #57 
  - Aren't you one of the people in this thread crowing  beac   Feb-15-11 03:55 PM   #66 
     - Yep, and I think a lawsuit against you would be ridiculous. You, however, seem to think  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 03:59 PM   #71 
     - Show me where I was an advocate for rampant defamation suits.  beac   Feb-15-11 04:58 PM   #89 
        - The irony of your dismissive response to the malice suggestion is not lost here.  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 05:37 PM   #92 
           - Um, I still didn't find any reference to my alleged love for defamation suits in your reply.  beac   Feb-15-11 06:00 PM   #97 
     - And that's an EXCELLENT reason for all Americans to stay out of Italy.  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 04:33 PM   #80 
     - How is giving an interview to an English  xxqqqzme   Feb-15-11 05:53 PM   #96 
        - Italy and many other countries have different defamation laws from ours.  beac   Feb-15-11 06:09 PM   #98 
  - +1  Blue_Tires   Feb-16-11 09:44 AM   #123 
  - It has always been out of hand over there.  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:07 PM   #6 
  - Get your facts straight.  beac   Feb-15-11 02:29 PM   #16 
     - Bottom line: there was no evidence whatsoever placing  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:49 PM   #27 
        - You've clearly bought the Knox multi-million dollar PR blitz 100% without question.  beac   Feb-15-11 03:00 PM   #35 
           - You still haven't answered my very simple question. How could she have  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 03:24 PM   #50 
              - How did ALL her fingerprints "magically" disappeared from the house she lived in?  beac   Feb-15-11 03:51 PM   #62 
                 - They didn't. But Amanda's fingerprints in the rest of the apartment  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 03:52 PM   #65 
  - It's just you. Many Americans do not realize that they are subject to the laws  plumbob   Feb-15-11 03:33 PM   #55 
     - My republican friends talk just like that. "If you dont like it, you can leave." How lame. nm  rhett o rick   Feb-15-11 03:51 PM   #63 
     - Well, I don't have any Republican friends, but the ones I know say,  plumbob   Feb-15-11 03:55 PM   #67 
     - Actually, telling someone to leave their OWN country because they  beac   Feb-15-11 03:57 PM   #69 
        - On that we agree. No one should go to Italy unless they want to abide  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 04:44 PM   #84 
     - Absolutely. My sister spent a nice year in Perugia, but neither she nor I  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 04:35 PM   #81 
     - The fact that I will never run into you in Italy is the best news I've had all day.  beac   Feb-15-11 04:54 PM   #88 
     - Probably not.  nalnn   Feb-16-11 07:57 AM   #122 
  - How do you say kangaroo in Italian? nt.  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 01:56 PM   #3 
  - The Italian courts are no more or less corrupt than ours.  beac   Feb-15-11 02:00 PM   #4 
     - This Perugia court is more corrupt than ours. The prosecutor  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:10 PM   #9 
     - NO, he wasn't.  beac   Feb-15-11 02:33 PM   #17 
        - When in this country have people ever been charged with criminal libel  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:43 PM   #22 
           - See my relpy to you below explaining what slander (and libel) are.  beac   Feb-15-11 02:45 PM   #24 
           - I know the difference and I know it's irrelevant.  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:55 PM   #31 
              - You do know that this suit is being brought in Italy, right?  beac   Feb-15-11 03:11 PM   #38 
                 - If this case is a good example of their justice system,  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 03:22 PM   #47 
           - They're not in THIS country. They're in Italy. Those are the laws there.  plumbob   Feb-15-11 03:49 PM   #60 
              - No one is arguing this isn't Italian jurisdiction. But a lot of us are arguing that there should  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 03:52 PM   #64 
                 - Standard of evidence in Italy is "rock solid" proof? Mind showing me  plumbob   Feb-15-11 03:57 PM   #70 
                    - The standard of evidence is largely irrelevant to the initial filing of a case.  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 04:06 PM   #75 
     - B.S. Individuals are rarely, if ever, charged with libel or slander against law enforcement in this  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 03:07 PM   #37 
  - Amanda Knox's parents sued by Italian police over abuse claims  struggle4progress   Feb-15-11 02:07 PM   #7 
  - Knoxs parents investigated for defamation (Nov 2009)  struggle4progress   Feb-15-11 02:11 PM   #10 
  - And there is no videotape or even audiotape of the interrogations  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:12 PM   #11 
  - And she couldn't describe OR point out the person who allegedly hit her.  beac   Feb-15-11 02:34 PM   #18 
     - Do you even know how hard it is to win a case like this? Unless the deck is procedurally stacked  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 03:19 PM   #43 
        - But the deck clearly is stacked. There was no tape of the interrogations,  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 03:25 PM   #51 
           - I didn't really have a strong opinion about the original case. But this is nuts.  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 03:29 PM   #53 
              - I know. I guess this is a situation for being appreciative  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 03:38 PM   #58 
  - And libel is a CRIMINAL charge there, with jail time.  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:14 PM   #12 
  - A number of US jurisdictions apparently still have criminal libel laws:  struggle4progress   Feb-15-11 02:39 PM   #19 
     - But when have you ever heard of someone being charged with criminal libel  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:40 PM   #20 
        - Again, they didn't "complain" (that you do to an authoritative body that can take action  beac   Feb-15-11 02:44 PM   #23 
        - So what? When in the US have you ever heard of anyone being charged  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 02:53 PM   #28 
        - Italian suit, ITALIAN laws.  beac   Feb-15-11 03:18 PM   #42 
           - You made the comparison to U.S. courts in this very thread. nt.  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 03:20 PM   #44 
           - let me explain the difference to you slowly and carefully so that maybe you will understand...  beac   Feb-15-11 04:50 PM   #86 
              - Freedom of speech is a very good reason why this suit should not have been brought.  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 05:39 PM   #93 
                 - I've never said it is "not an Italian value."  beac   Feb-15-11 06:24 PM   #100 
           - You're the one who made the comparison. n/t  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 03:22 PM   #48 
           - You just made the best case I've ever read  customerserviceguy   Feb-15-11 05:50 PM   #95 
              - Stay afraid, stay home. That's your idea of a life?  beac   Feb-15-11 06:29 PM   #101 
                 - If this was Lichtenstein, you'd have a point  customerserviceguy   Feb-15-11 06:36 PM   #102 
                    - Fine, Stay home. Doubt you could appreciate Italy (or Lichtenstein) if you  beac   Feb-15-11 06:43 PM   #105 
                       - Thanks, I will  customerserviceguy   Feb-15-11 06:45 PM   #108 
        - First, you have no idea whether it was slander or not. What they said could be true.  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 03:14 PM   #40 
           - First, US norms have NO bearing on this case.  beac   Feb-15-11 03:20 PM   #46 
              - I know. So rescind your claim that they are guilty of slander. No trial has occurred.  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 03:23 PM   #49 
        - For me, the Knox case fall into category "I don't need to have an opinion about everything"  struggle4progress   Feb-15-11 03:04 PM   #36 
  - Italian Authorities Charge Amanda Knoxs Parents With Defamation (July 2010)  struggle4progress   Feb-15-11 02:17 PM   #14 
     - Yes, Curt, you restated her slanderous statements, making you as guilt as she of making them.  beac   Feb-15-11 02:54 PM   #30 
        - Wow. You really don't believe in freedom of speech, do you?  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 03:27 PM   #52 
           - Show me where I said that.  beac   Feb-15-11 05:23 PM   #91 
              - Pretty much everything you've said in this thread screams it.  Union Scribe   Feb-15-11 07:00 PM   #111 
                 - Show me where I've made even ONE defense of "vengeful authoritarianism"  beac   Feb-15-11 07:18 PM   #112 
                    - Lol.  Union Scribe   Feb-15-11 11:04 PM   #118 
  - I think this is the London Sunday Times article in question (June 2008):  struggle4progress   Feb-15-11 02:19 PM   #15 
  - Italian justice is screwed up.  AngryOldDem   Feb-15-11 02:45 PM   #25 
  - Have you actually read anything outside the US press about the case?  beac   Feb-15-11 02:48 PM   #26 
     - Back that claim up ("defendants in Italy have MORE rights than they do here in the US"). nt.  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 03:18 PM   #41 
     - Please READ my post. I said " in many instances, defendants in Italy have MORE rights"  beac   Feb-15-11 03:31 PM   #54 
        - Point taken. I did miss the qualifier. nt.  Hosnon   Feb-15-11 03:34 PM   #56 
     - I've read dozens of pieces outside the US Press supporting her innocence.  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 03:20 PM   #45 
  - WTF???  Odin2005   Feb-15-11 03:12 PM   #39 
  - this family is fucked up, i hate them all  JI7   Feb-15-11 03:50 PM   #61 
  - Poor Meredith's parents  Jeneral2885   Feb-15-11 04:35 PM   #82 
  - And they won't ever be able to visit their daughter in prison  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 04:46 PM   #85 
  - an Italian was convicted in this case also, and so was a Black Italian who immigrated there  JI7   Feb-15-11 04:53 PM   #87 
  - Sure glad we liberated Italy from fascism  customerserviceguy   Feb-15-11 05:48 PM   #94 
  - No. But an "really ignorant comment" icon wouldn't go amiss.  beac   Feb-15-11 06:41 PM   #104 
     - Glad to know  customerserviceguy   Feb-15-11 06:43 PM   #106 
        - If I'm in the well-traveled, cultured, non-xenophobic minority, I'm happy to be there.  beac   Feb-15-11 06:45 PM   #107 
           - At least we can criticize cops together n/t  customerserviceguy   Feb-15-11 06:46 PM   #109 
  - italian tourism ... looks like they have been taking a beating since 2009  MikeW   Feb-15-11 06:19 PM   #99 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-15-11 06:39 PM   #103 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-15-11 06:51 PM   #110 
           - Deleted message  Name removed   Feb-15-11 09:00 PM   #113 
           - I just wanted to thank you for your contributions to this thread  Blasphemer   Feb-15-11 09:24 PM   #114 
              - Thank you.  beac   Feb-15-11 10:10 PM   #115 
                 - I've been to Italy...  MellowDem   Feb-15-11 10:57 PM   #117 
                 - As an Italian citizen,  WilmywoodNCparalegal   Feb-16-11 10:01 AM   #124 
                 - Thanks for keeping it polite in this thread (well, your side of it anyway).  Nihil   Feb-16-11 07:53 AM   #121 
           - Your grandfather sounds like a very wise man.  pnwmom   Feb-15-11 11:24 PM   #120 
 

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