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| -Kentucky Senate Votes to End Public Employee Pensions |
maxrandb |
Feb-14-11 02:32 PM |
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This all out attack is frightening. nt |
Mojorabbit |
Feb-14-11 02:34 PM |
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Republicans will bleed you dry! |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Feb-14-11 10:18 PM |
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democrats will too, rosa. |
tomp |
Feb-15-11 06:49 AM |
#120 |
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but not so much |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Feb-15-11 04:43 PM |
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oh, sure! you only show you really don't understand how things work.... |
tomp |
Feb-15-11 09:40 PM |
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I know that |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Feb-15-11 11:40 PM |
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Deleted message |
Name removed |
Feb-16-11 05:38 AM |
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Rude |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Feb-16-11 06:50 PM |
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They're fascists. nt |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:22 AM |
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Will that include members of the Kentucky legislature as well? |
Vinnie From Indy |
Feb-14-11 02:34 PM |
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I would think so, but then again that would mean they consider themselves |
RKP5637 |
Feb-14-11 02:38 PM |
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Not a FUCKING Chance |
FreakinDJ |
Feb-14-11 02:39 PM |
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If it does, only those not currently serving. |
SomeGuyInEagan |
Feb-14-11 03:44 PM |
#26 |
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There won't be any |
james0tucson |
Feb-14-11 04:20 PM |
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In SC at least, I can tell you there are already many of those with limited options. |
raccoon |
Feb-15-11 09:07 AM |
#128 |
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I believe this is already occurring among the autoworkers. |
eilen |
Feb-14-11 08:24 PM |
#74 |
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yes: a two-tier system does that; drives a wedge through the house of labor. |
Hannah Bell |
Feb-14-11 09:31 PM |
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That's our talking point - beat it over their heads. |
grahamhgreen |
Feb-14-11 07:46 PM |
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no, it won't. Theirs are separate and rich. |
plumbob |
Feb-14-11 09:30 PM |
#83 |
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Did they have the gall to exempt state representatives and senators from that? |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-14-11 02:35 PM |
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I very seriously doubt that elected officials were ever in the same pension plan as civil servants. |
ieoeja |
Feb-14-11 03:16 PM |
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How about those who work for the legislators? |
LastLiberal in PalmSprings |
Feb-14-11 03:52 PM |
#27 |
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Some might be members, depending on Kentucky law |
nonpareil |
Feb-14-11 04:06 PM |
#29 |
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they are exempted because they already are employed by the state |
CreekDog |
Feb-14-11 05:36 PM |
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Great combination. No pensions for older people, lower wages before retired, no |
RKP5637 |
Feb-14-11 02:36 PM |
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Even worse |
maxrandb |
Feb-14-11 02:39 PM |
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If there is anyone left to write the history of the US years from now, this will |
RKP5637 |
Feb-14-11 02:52 PM |
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They'll go to a 401(k) plan |
jmowreader |
Feb-14-11 05:23 PM |
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With all those high wages they're earning! nt |
Peggy Day |
Feb-15-11 01:18 AM |
#105 |
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I agree with every word of your post except I'd add "present" to " and future". |
abq e streeter |
Feb-14-11 04:13 PM |
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Excellent point! Thanks! n/t |
RKP5637 |
Feb-14-11 04:35 PM |
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They cant undo exisiting contributions and obligations |
musiclawyer |
Feb-14-11 06:10 PM |
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I agree. The state won't be able to keep its positions filled with competent people |
gristy |
Feb-14-11 08:13 PM |
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What kind of people want to |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:24 AM |
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What kills me - number of moronic public employees who vote for rethugs. |
Peregrine Took |
Feb-14-11 02:42 PM |
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"How stupid can they be? " |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:28 AM |
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More right-wing insanity. |
Lindsay |
Feb-14-11 02:44 PM |
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It isn't clear.. |
naaman fletcher |
Feb-14-11 02:47 PM |
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Maybe you people who live in Kentucky need to show your |
fasttense |
Feb-14-11 02:48 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Feb-14-11 03:28 PM |
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Maybe you people..... |
cdcfbw1 |
Feb-14-11 09:19 PM |
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Did you intend this post to be condescending toward "you people" of Kentucky? nm |
rhett o rick |
Feb-14-11 10:10 PM |
#92 |
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No, |
fasttense |
Feb-15-11 06:31 AM |
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Cool. I read it both ways. Thanks for the clarification. nm |
rhett o rick |
Feb-15-11 01:13 PM |
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Discover the Network Out to Crush Our Public Workers |
L. Coyote |
Feb-14-11 03:04 PM |
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Thank you Coyote |
NeoConsSuck |
Feb-14-11 07:27 PM |
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+1. .(shared & retweeted). . . n/t |
annabanana |
Feb-15-11 07:01 PM |
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When looking at the voting results, ... |
aggiesal |
Feb-14-11 03:06 PM |
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You are mistaken |
Freddie Stubbs |
Feb-16-11 10:22 AM |
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It looks like the Democratic House and Governor Beshear (D) would not support it |
bluestateguy |
Feb-14-11 03:16 PM |
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I was looking for this comment, the first one that pointed |
era veteran |
Feb-14-11 04:25 PM |
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There is a description for this action, however |
Sherman A1 |
Feb-14-11 03:18 PM |
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The Shock Doctrine comes home to roost |
lunatica |
Feb-14-11 03:18 PM |
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"Senate Bill 2 to the Democratic-led House, where its future appears grim." |
stockholmer |
Feb-14-11 03:27 PM |
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I'd like to be able to laugh this off, but |
CrossChris |
Feb-14-11 03:30 PM |
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Does this go back to the financial meltdown and underfunded pensions? Guess since the idea of |
54anickel |
Feb-14-11 03:31 PM |
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And Kasich is doing the same. |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:32 AM |
#112 |
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yes, remember the public pension plan |
newspeak |
Feb-16-11 10:13 AM |
#154 |
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This isn't "balancing the books on the backs of public employees." |
newtothegame |
Feb-14-11 03:33 PM |
#23 |
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And isn't that sad. |
quaker bill |
Feb-14-11 05:05 PM |
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yes it is and certainly nothing to banner about |
lunasun |
Feb-14-11 08:26 PM |
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One more reson not to work as a public employee....... |
DainBramaged |
Feb-14-11 03:34 PM |
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It's just like the |
dotymed |
Feb-15-11 09:22 AM |
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We lost the class war this time |
hollowdweller |
Feb-15-11 08:22 PM |
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IMO, we have lost the battle, not the war. |
dotymed |
Feb-16-11 07:38 AM |
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This is scary. |
Delphinus |
Feb-14-11 03:38 PM |
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It's already done. |
Atypical Liberal |
Feb-14-11 04:01 PM |
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Same here |
Yupster |
Feb-14-11 04:55 PM |
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Don't worry about the "wingnuts" supporting this. Our own party is complicit. |
Bluebear |
Feb-14-11 04:13 PM |
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We need a General Strike in this country. |
Fuddnik |
Feb-14-11 04:29 PM |
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It won't matter. Your job will be shipped to China in 15 minutes. |
Flatulo |
Feb-14-11 04:35 PM |
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I've worked as an engineer in the private sector for 35 years, and |
Flatulo |
Feb-14-11 04:33 PM |
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Similar to the experiences I've had too. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Feb-14-11 04:37 PM |
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I've worked for a union wage for over 35 years. |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 05:13 PM |
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We have witnessed the Enronization |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:36 AM |
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You Get What You Vote For |
Yavin4 |
Feb-14-11 04:50 PM |
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I see it happening every where. |
Tripod |
Feb-14-11 04:51 PM |
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I pity those that might choose to work for Kentucky in the future. |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 04:58 PM |
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In answer to your question, almost all companies had done it already |
joeglow3 |
Feb-14-11 05:16 PM |
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If the employee contributed at least half the fund, I say let them have it. |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 05:21 PM |
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There are definite abuses |
joeglow3 |
Feb-14-11 05:34 PM |
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I'm a retired union electrician. I can't work in any electrical industry trades or |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 09:39 PM |
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Those early age retirements are already changed. Most can't retire that early anymore |
Go2Peace |
Feb-14-11 11:46 PM |
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So what if they do? |
sulphurdunn |
Feb-14-11 05:40 PM |
#52 |
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And an underpaid public service job, at that! |
Lars39 |
Feb-14-11 06:17 PM |
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NONE of those have anything to do with local governments |
joeglow3 |
Feb-14-11 07:26 PM |
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Oh yes they do. |
sulphurdunn |
Feb-14-11 08:22 PM |
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+1 |
proud2BlibKansan |
Feb-14-11 08:52 PM |
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K&R |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 09:42 PM |
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What do you consider living decently? |
joeglow3 |
Feb-14-11 09:54 PM |
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It's abuse. For sure. |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 10:04 PM |
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enough of the right wing propaganda please. Maybe you can talk about Bell California next? |
Go2Peace |
Feb-14-11 11:59 PM |
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Read up a bit on Omaha's issues first |
joeglow3 |
Feb-15-11 06:45 AM |
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Aren't there enough |
sulphurdunn |
Feb-15-11 07:17 PM |
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They are only unsustainable if they CHOOSE for them to be unsustainable |
proud2BlibKansan |
Feb-14-11 08:50 PM |
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I don't know about your city, but Omaha is going to be hurting. |
joeglow3 |
Feb-14-11 11:54 PM |
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You get it! We are in a period of worldwide prosperity. We are being lied to and propagandized |
Go2Peace |
Feb-14-11 11:51 PM |
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Excellent post ! |
Sinistrous |
Feb-16-11 03:11 AM |
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Hey it is all OK though because the wealthy won't have to pay more in taxes.. |
Bandit |
Feb-14-11 05:26 PM |
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Tell me again why I need Govt? |
lsewpershad |
Feb-14-11 05:28 PM |
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I was doing some union organizing at a church once. |
intheflow |
Feb-14-11 05:29 PM |
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She's one of those rabid conservanazi converts that believe what you say |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 09:45 PM |
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There you go folks...... |
BlueJac |
Feb-14-11 05:42 PM |
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I say let them f*ck it all up. That's what they want to do. |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 09:46 PM |
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I'm surprised, since they like to steal pension funds so much. |
sofa king |
Feb-14-11 05:50 PM |
#54 |
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Republicans ALWAYS screw the worker and kiss |
lovuian |
Feb-14-11 06:36 PM |
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Everything in our society not directly contributing to Corporate Profits is "on the table". |
harun |
Feb-14-11 06:40 PM |
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when are unions going to get it and push back HARD? |
yurbud |
Feb-14-11 07:08 PM |
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As soon as the media is brought back into alignment with reality |
Doctor_J |
Feb-14-11 07:35 PM |
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the ugliness has to be a strike so big, and a pushback against it so violent that they can't do a |
yurbud |
Feb-14-11 07:52 PM |
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Hey, look who you voted for |
No Passaran |
Feb-14-11 07:13 PM |
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The Right's war on the Center to take us back to the 19th century. NT. |
andym |
Feb-14-11 07:30 PM |
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We are very desperately in need |
Doctor_J |
Feb-14-11 07:33 PM |
#64 |
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And they haven't burned the State House down, yet? |
westerebus |
Feb-14-11 07:53 PM |
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Slander indeed |
get the red out |
Feb-14-11 08:02 PM |
#69 |
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Public Workers Will Find Other Ways to Save For Retirement |
eringer |
Feb-14-11 08:14 PM |
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You summarized the future of the US if we keep going in this direction |
Go2Peace |
Feb-15-11 12:21 AM |
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Hey Kentucky Senate! You are total assholes who supportt/represent no one but the rich, thefeore |
lonestarnot |
Feb-14-11 08:21 PM |
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War on Civil Servants is in full force |
RoccoR5955 |
Feb-14-11 08:34 PM |
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Wow, work 20yrs and then get shit when the 401k tanks......... |
Historic NY |
Feb-14-11 08:48 PM |
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Just a thought here |
quakerboy |
Feb-14-11 09:18 PM |
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I'm sure I'm not going to have all the answers but |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 09:59 PM |
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SS is delineated from the federal budget. |
AtheistCrusader |
Feb-14-11 11:10 PM |
#95 |
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Its not as far as CNN is concerned, as per some infographic they put up this afternoon. |
quakerboy |
Feb-15-11 01:46 AM |
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It is not just CNN. |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:44 AM |
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Yup. Even on "progressive talk" Radio |
quakerboy |
Feb-15-11 08:00 PM |
#140 |
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fuck the locusts. |
Hannah Bell |
Feb-14-11 09:30 PM |
#82 |
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Yikes. More extreme than what Meg Whitman proposed in CA. |
alp227 |
Feb-14-11 10:46 PM |
#94 |
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I worked in the private sector. |
trud |
Feb-14-11 11:49 PM |
#97 |
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Nice distortions friend. Avg teacher retirement is 58-60. Try google for some truth instead of fox |
Go2Peace |
Feb-15-11 12:25 AM |
#102 |
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not in RI, taxpayer ripoff capital of the country. |
trud |
Feb-15-11 06:33 AM |
#118 |
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I think you spelled that wrong |
JustAmused |
Feb-16-11 12:49 AM |
#149 |
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You are blowing pure bullshit. |
olegramps |
Feb-15-11 07:19 AM |
#122 |
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Eat Shit and Die |
we can do it |
Feb-15-11 09:52 PM |
#145 |
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You spelled turd wrong |
we can do it |
Feb-15-11 09:53 PM |
#146 |
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Trifecta? |
Chipster |
Feb-15-11 12:27 AM |
#103 |
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No mention of the wall street theft that has left pension plans |
blackspade |
Feb-15-11 01:14 AM |
#104 |
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People today must think that worker rights in this country |
mackerel |
Feb-15-11 01:42 AM |
#106 |
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Corporations are benevolent. |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:46 AM |
#115 |
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Yes, the hob-nailed boot is much more comfortable |
blackspade |
Feb-15-11 08:45 AM |
#125 |
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K & R |
democracy1st |
Feb-15-11 03:10 AM |
#108 |
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K&R |
Solly Mack |
Feb-15-11 06:15 AM |
#116 |
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What about Social Security? |
SHRED |
Feb-15-11 07:10 AM |
#121 |
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Needless to say the Kentucky Senate is Republican. Hopefully the |
MasonJar |
Feb-15-11 07:56 AM |
#123 |
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I. can't .believe. it. K&R. nt |
raccoon |
Feb-15-11 07:57 AM |
#124 |
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Further evidence that what I have been fearing is coming to fruition. |
EnviroBat |
Feb-15-11 08:48 AM |
#126 |
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If Kentucky thinks the cops and firemen will just lie back and take this |
Blue_Tires |
Feb-15-11 09:04 AM |
#127 |
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And the hits keep coming |
tavalon |
Feb-15-11 09:49 AM |
#130 |
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To answer your question to the wingnuts |
TomClash |
Feb-15-11 10:24 AM |
#131 |
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Says pretty clearly this is for new hires only. |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-15-11 10:31 AM |
#132 |
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Government bashing means more corrupt business pactices go unnoticed. |
RedCloud |
Feb-15-11 11:48 AM |
#133 |
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Chickens Voting for Colonel Sanders |
perdita9 |
Feb-15-11 12:32 PM |
#134 |
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We are in a race to the bottom. |
mainer |
Feb-15-11 12:42 PM |
#135 |
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The Republicans are trying to destroy the unions and are doing a number on them. |
sarcasmo |
Feb-15-11 08:10 PM |
#141 |
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so they want to cut Kentucky back to the stone age |
StarsInHerHair |
Feb-15-11 08:23 PM |
#143 |
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We need to stop thinking that we have a corrupted FEW in government -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-15-11 11:42 PM |
#148 |
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but they won't touch lawmaker pensions or benefits.....nt |
Evasporque |
Feb-16-11 06:08 AM |
#152 |
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