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Mon Feb-14-11 06:10 PM
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| 55. They cant undo exisiting contributions and obligations |
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But what will happen is the good civil servants will get out-- retire or go to the private sector where wages are higher. And the jobs that open up will be filled by young employees who will receive lousy government wages but now without pensions--which besides civil service protection is the other incentive to working for local government at all despite the lower wages.This is the Walmarting of Civil Service. And you think local governmetn is non-responsive as it is? Wait another 5 years. There are ALWAYS unintended consequences. This will never happen in CA or NY or any semi blue state.
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| -Kentucky Senate Votes to End Public Employee Pensions |
maxrandb |
Feb-14-11 02:32 PM |
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This all out attack is frightening. nt |
Mojorabbit |
Feb-14-11 02:34 PM |
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Republicans will bleed you dry! |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Feb-14-11 10:18 PM |
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democrats will too, rosa. |
tomp |
Feb-15-11 06:49 AM |
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but not so much |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Feb-15-11 04:43 PM |
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oh, sure! you only show you really don't understand how things work.... |
tomp |
Feb-15-11 09:40 PM |
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I know that |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Feb-15-11 11:40 PM |
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Name removed |
Feb-16-11 05:38 AM |
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Rude |
Rosa Luxemburg |
Feb-16-11 06:50 PM |
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They're fascists. nt |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:22 AM |
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Will that include members of the Kentucky legislature as well? |
Vinnie From Indy |
Feb-14-11 02:34 PM |
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I would think so, but then again that would mean they consider themselves |
RKP5637 |
Feb-14-11 02:38 PM |
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Not a FUCKING Chance |
FreakinDJ |
Feb-14-11 02:39 PM |
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If it does, only those not currently serving. |
SomeGuyInEagan |
Feb-14-11 03:44 PM |
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There won't be any |
james0tucson |
Feb-14-11 04:20 PM |
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In SC at least, I can tell you there are already many of those with limited options. |
raccoon |
Feb-15-11 09:07 AM |
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I believe this is already occurring among the autoworkers. |
eilen |
Feb-14-11 08:24 PM |
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yes: a two-tier system does that; drives a wedge through the house of labor. |
Hannah Bell |
Feb-14-11 09:31 PM |
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That's our talking point - beat it over their heads. |
grahamhgreen |
Feb-14-11 07:46 PM |
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no, it won't. Theirs are separate and rich. |
plumbob |
Feb-14-11 09:30 PM |
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Did they have the gall to exempt state representatives and senators from that? |
sinkingfeeling |
Feb-14-11 02:35 PM |
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I very seriously doubt that elected officials were ever in the same pension plan as civil servants. |
ieoeja |
Feb-14-11 03:16 PM |
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How about those who work for the legislators? |
LastLiberal in PalmSprings |
Feb-14-11 03:52 PM |
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Some might be members, depending on Kentucky law |
nonpareil |
Feb-14-11 04:06 PM |
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they are exempted because they already are employed by the state |
CreekDog |
Feb-14-11 05:36 PM |
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Great combination. No pensions for older people, lower wages before retired, no |
RKP5637 |
Feb-14-11 02:36 PM |
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Even worse |
maxrandb |
Feb-14-11 02:39 PM |
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If there is anyone left to write the history of the US years from now, this will |
RKP5637 |
Feb-14-11 02:52 PM |
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They'll go to a 401(k) plan |
jmowreader |
Feb-14-11 05:23 PM |
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With all those high wages they're earning! nt |
Peggy Day |
Feb-15-11 01:18 AM |
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I agree with every word of your post except I'd add "present" to " and future". |
abq e streeter |
Feb-14-11 04:13 PM |
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Excellent point! Thanks! n/t |
RKP5637 |
Feb-14-11 04:35 PM |
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They cant undo exisiting contributions and obligations |
musiclawyer |
Feb-14-11 06:10 PM |
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I agree. The state won't be able to keep its positions filled with competent people |
gristy |
Feb-14-11 08:13 PM |
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What kind of people want to |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:24 AM |
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What kills me - number of moronic public employees who vote for rethugs. |
Peregrine Took |
Feb-14-11 02:42 PM |
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"How stupid can they be? " |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:28 AM |
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More right-wing insanity. |
Lindsay |
Feb-14-11 02:44 PM |
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It isn't clear.. |
naaman fletcher |
Feb-14-11 02:47 PM |
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Maybe you people who live in Kentucky need to show your |
fasttense |
Feb-14-11 02:48 PM |
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Name removed |
Feb-14-11 03:28 PM |
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Maybe you people..... |
cdcfbw1 |
Feb-14-11 09:19 PM |
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Did you intend this post to be condescending toward "you people" of Kentucky? nm |
rhett o rick |
Feb-14-11 10:10 PM |
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No, |
fasttense |
Feb-15-11 06:31 AM |
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Cool. I read it both ways. Thanks for the clarification. nm |
rhett o rick |
Feb-15-11 01:13 PM |
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Discover the Network Out to Crush Our Public Workers |
L. Coyote |
Feb-14-11 03:04 PM |
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Thank you Coyote |
NeoConsSuck |
Feb-14-11 07:27 PM |
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+1. .(shared & retweeted). . . n/t |
annabanana |
Feb-15-11 07:01 PM |
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When looking at the voting results, ... |
aggiesal |
Feb-14-11 03:06 PM |
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You are mistaken |
Freddie Stubbs |
Feb-16-11 10:22 AM |
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It looks like the Democratic House and Governor Beshear (D) would not support it |
bluestateguy |
Feb-14-11 03:16 PM |
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I was looking for this comment, the first one that pointed |
era veteran |
Feb-14-11 04:25 PM |
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There is a description for this action, however |
Sherman A1 |
Feb-14-11 03:18 PM |
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The Shock Doctrine comes home to roost |
lunatica |
Feb-14-11 03:18 PM |
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"Senate Bill 2 to the Democratic-led House, where its future appears grim." |
stockholmer |
Feb-14-11 03:27 PM |
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I'd like to be able to laugh this off, but |
CrossChris |
Feb-14-11 03:30 PM |
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Does this go back to the financial meltdown and underfunded pensions? Guess since the idea of |
54anickel |
Feb-14-11 03:31 PM |
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And Kasich is doing the same. |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:32 AM |
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yes, remember the public pension plan |
newspeak |
Feb-16-11 10:13 AM |
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This isn't "balancing the books on the backs of public employees." |
newtothegame |
Feb-14-11 03:33 PM |
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And isn't that sad. |
quaker bill |
Feb-14-11 05:05 PM |
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yes it is and certainly nothing to banner about |
lunasun |
Feb-14-11 08:26 PM |
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One more reson not to work as a public employee....... |
DainBramaged |
Feb-14-11 03:34 PM |
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It's just like the |
dotymed |
Feb-15-11 09:22 AM |
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We lost the class war this time |
hollowdweller |
Feb-15-11 08:22 PM |
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IMO, we have lost the battle, not the war. |
dotymed |
Feb-16-11 07:38 AM |
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This is scary. |
Delphinus |
Feb-14-11 03:38 PM |
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It's already done. |
Atypical Liberal |
Feb-14-11 04:01 PM |
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Same here |
Yupster |
Feb-14-11 04:55 PM |
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Don't worry about the "wingnuts" supporting this. Our own party is complicit. |
Bluebear |
Feb-14-11 04:13 PM |
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We need a General Strike in this country. |
Fuddnik |
Feb-14-11 04:29 PM |
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It won't matter. Your job will be shipped to China in 15 minutes. |
Flatulo |
Feb-14-11 04:35 PM |
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I've worked as an engineer in the private sector for 35 years, and |
Flatulo |
Feb-14-11 04:33 PM |
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Similar to the experiences I've had too. n/t |
RKP5637 |
Feb-14-11 04:37 PM |
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I've worked for a union wage for over 35 years. |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 05:13 PM |
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We have witnessed the Enronization |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:36 AM |
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You Get What You Vote For |
Yavin4 |
Feb-14-11 04:50 PM |
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I see it happening every where. |
Tripod |
Feb-14-11 04:51 PM |
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I pity those that might choose to work for Kentucky in the future. |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 04:58 PM |
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In answer to your question, almost all companies had done it already |
joeglow3 |
Feb-14-11 05:16 PM |
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If the employee contributed at least half the fund, I say let them have it. |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 05:21 PM |
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There are definite abuses |
joeglow3 |
Feb-14-11 05:34 PM |
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I'm a retired union electrician. I can't work in any electrical industry trades or |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 09:39 PM |
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Those early age retirements are already changed. Most can't retire that early anymore |
Go2Peace |
Feb-14-11 11:46 PM |
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So what if they do? |
sulphurdunn |
Feb-14-11 05:40 PM |
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And an underpaid public service job, at that! |
Lars39 |
Feb-14-11 06:17 PM |
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NONE of those have anything to do with local governments |
joeglow3 |
Feb-14-11 07:26 PM |
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Oh yes they do. |
sulphurdunn |
Feb-14-11 08:22 PM |
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+1 |
proud2BlibKansan |
Feb-14-11 08:52 PM |
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K&R |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 09:42 PM |
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What do you consider living decently? |
joeglow3 |
Feb-14-11 09:54 PM |
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It's abuse. For sure. |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 10:04 PM |
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enough of the right wing propaganda please. Maybe you can talk about Bell California next? |
Go2Peace |
Feb-14-11 11:59 PM |
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Read up a bit on Omaha's issues first |
joeglow3 |
Feb-15-11 06:45 AM |
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Aren't there enough |
sulphurdunn |
Feb-15-11 07:17 PM |
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They are only unsustainable if they CHOOSE for them to be unsustainable |
proud2BlibKansan |
Feb-14-11 08:50 PM |
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I don't know about your city, but Omaha is going to be hurting. |
joeglow3 |
Feb-14-11 11:54 PM |
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You get it! We are in a period of worldwide prosperity. We are being lied to and propagandized |
Go2Peace |
Feb-14-11 11:51 PM |
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Excellent post ! |
Sinistrous |
Feb-16-11 03:11 AM |
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Hey it is all OK though because the wealthy won't have to pay more in taxes.. |
Bandit |
Feb-14-11 05:26 PM |
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Tell me again why I need Govt? |
lsewpershad |
Feb-14-11 05:28 PM |
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I was doing some union organizing at a church once. |
intheflow |
Feb-14-11 05:29 PM |
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She's one of those rabid conservanazi converts that believe what you say |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 09:45 PM |
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There you go folks...... |
BlueJac |
Feb-14-11 05:42 PM |
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I say let them f*ck it all up. That's what they want to do. |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 09:46 PM |
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I'm surprised, since they like to steal pension funds so much. |
sofa king |
Feb-14-11 05:50 PM |
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Republicans ALWAYS screw the worker and kiss |
lovuian |
Feb-14-11 06:36 PM |
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Everything in our society not directly contributing to Corporate Profits is "on the table". |
harun |
Feb-14-11 06:40 PM |
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when are unions going to get it and push back HARD? |
yurbud |
Feb-14-11 07:08 PM |
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As soon as the media is brought back into alignment with reality |
Doctor_J |
Feb-14-11 07:35 PM |
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the ugliness has to be a strike so big, and a pushback against it so violent that they can't do a |
yurbud |
Feb-14-11 07:52 PM |
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Hey, look who you voted for |
No Passaran |
Feb-14-11 07:13 PM |
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The Right's war on the Center to take us back to the 19th century. NT. |
andym |
Feb-14-11 07:30 PM |
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We are very desperately in need |
Doctor_J |
Feb-14-11 07:33 PM |
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And they haven't burned the State House down, yet? |
westerebus |
Feb-14-11 07:53 PM |
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Slander indeed |
get the red out |
Feb-14-11 08:02 PM |
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Public Workers Will Find Other Ways to Save For Retirement |
eringer |
Feb-14-11 08:14 PM |
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You summarized the future of the US if we keep going in this direction |
Go2Peace |
Feb-15-11 12:21 AM |
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Hey Kentucky Senate! You are total assholes who supportt/represent no one but the rich, thefeore |
lonestarnot |
Feb-14-11 08:21 PM |
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War on Civil Servants is in full force |
RoccoR5955 |
Feb-14-11 08:34 PM |
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Wow, work 20yrs and then get shit when the 401k tanks......... |
Historic NY |
Feb-14-11 08:48 PM |
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Just a thought here |
quakerboy |
Feb-14-11 09:18 PM |
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I'm sure I'm not going to have all the answers but |
TxVietVet |
Feb-14-11 09:59 PM |
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SS is delineated from the federal budget. |
AtheistCrusader |
Feb-14-11 11:10 PM |
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Its not as far as CNN is concerned, as per some infographic they put up this afternoon. |
quakerboy |
Feb-15-11 01:46 AM |
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It is not just CNN. |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:44 AM |
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Yup. Even on "progressive talk" Radio |
quakerboy |
Feb-15-11 08:00 PM |
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fuck the locusts. |
Hannah Bell |
Feb-14-11 09:30 PM |
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Yikes. More extreme than what Meg Whitman proposed in CA. |
alp227 |
Feb-14-11 10:46 PM |
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I worked in the private sector. |
trud |
Feb-14-11 11:49 PM |
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Nice distortions friend. Avg teacher retirement is 58-60. Try google for some truth instead of fox |
Go2Peace |
Feb-15-11 12:25 AM |
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not in RI, taxpayer ripoff capital of the country. |
trud |
Feb-15-11 06:33 AM |
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I think you spelled that wrong |
JustAmused |
Feb-16-11 12:49 AM |
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You are blowing pure bullshit. |
olegramps |
Feb-15-11 07:19 AM |
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Eat Shit and Die |
we can do it |
Feb-15-11 09:52 PM |
#145 |
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You spelled turd wrong |
we can do it |
Feb-15-11 09:53 PM |
#146 |
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Trifecta? |
Chipster |
Feb-15-11 12:27 AM |
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No mention of the wall street theft that has left pension plans |
blackspade |
Feb-15-11 01:14 AM |
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People today must think that worker rights in this country |
mackerel |
Feb-15-11 01:42 AM |
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Corporations are benevolent. |
Enthusiast |
Feb-15-11 04:46 AM |
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Yes, the hob-nailed boot is much more comfortable |
blackspade |
Feb-15-11 08:45 AM |
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K & R |
democracy1st |
Feb-15-11 03:10 AM |
#108 |
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K&R |
Solly Mack |
Feb-15-11 06:15 AM |
#116 |
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What about Social Security? |
SHRED |
Feb-15-11 07:10 AM |
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Needless to say the Kentucky Senate is Republican. Hopefully the |
MasonJar |
Feb-15-11 07:56 AM |
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I. can't .believe. it. K&R. nt |
raccoon |
Feb-15-11 07:57 AM |
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Further evidence that what I have been fearing is coming to fruition. |
EnviroBat |
Feb-15-11 08:48 AM |
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If Kentucky thinks the cops and firemen will just lie back and take this |
Blue_Tires |
Feb-15-11 09:04 AM |
#127 |
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And the hits keep coming |
tavalon |
Feb-15-11 09:49 AM |
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To answer your question to the wingnuts |
TomClash |
Feb-15-11 10:24 AM |
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Says pretty clearly this is for new hires only. |
Lance_Boyle |
Feb-15-11 10:31 AM |
#132 |
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Government bashing means more corrupt business pactices go unnoticed. |
RedCloud |
Feb-15-11 11:48 AM |
#133 |
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Chickens Voting for Colonel Sanders |
perdita9 |
Feb-15-11 12:32 PM |
#134 |
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We are in a race to the bottom. |
mainer |
Feb-15-11 12:42 PM |
#135 |
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The Republicans are trying to destroy the unions and are doing a number on them. |
sarcasmo |
Feb-15-11 08:10 PM |
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so they want to cut Kentucky back to the stone age |
StarsInHerHair |
Feb-15-11 08:23 PM |
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We need to stop thinking that we have a corrupted FEW in government -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Feb-15-11 11:42 PM |
#148 |
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but they won't touch lawmaker pensions or benefits.....nt |
Evasporque |
Feb-16-11 06:08 AM |
#152 |
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