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Fri Jan-21-11 06:20 PM
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Edited on Fri Jan-21-11 06:23 PM by quaker bill
are a broad suite of chemicals. Some are designed as pesticides to mimic and supplant biochemicals in the central nervous system, like acetocholinesterace, in a way that blocks this neurotransmitter's function. Some are designed as herbicides which interfere with the synthesis of Chlorophyl in plants. There are many others. As it turns out the mammalian form of this enzyme is sufficiently different from the avian form that a sensitivity to certain organophosphates is very different between them. I actually did take biochemistry, plant and animal cell physiology, and aced all of them.
The point remains that avian species are much more sensitive to some chemicals than mammals. There is tons of research to back this up, I have read the pathology studies. The LD50's are massively different. There are specific histologic markers in the bird's brain and liver tissues used post-mortem to diagnose this sort of poisoning, and they are very sensitive to these chemicals at doses 100 times lower than humans and most mammals.
One need not approve of reality to recognize it.
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| -Bye Bye Blackbird: USDA acknowledges a hand in one mass bird death |
harvey007 |
Jan-20-11 06:59 PM |
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Who the hell knows WHAT they are experimenting with or who |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jan-20-11 07:23 PM |
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If the gov't says it, |
femrap |
Jan-20-11 10:40 PM |
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Here is the agency's website |
harvey007 |
Jan-21-11 08:47 AM |
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They spray it, we eat it. Autism rise? Move along. No speculating here. nt |
valerief |
Jan-20-11 07:33 PM |
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cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's... |
wordpix |
Jan-20-11 09:51 PM |
#13 |
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The insanity of our policies proves the suicidal nature of capitalism ... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 12:57 PM |
#102 |
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Cancer EPIDEMIC in this country and they keep on with the poison. Now we know. |
DesertDiamond |
Jan-21-11 01:44 PM |
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Oh jeez. Prove it. |
Pale Blue Dot |
Jan-20-11 10:37 PM |
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Aerial poisoning. Gee, how could such a thing have health effects on humans? |
Lorien |
Jan-20-11 11:16 PM |
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Can you explain the purpose of double blind studies? |
Pale Blue Dot |
Jan-20-11 11:32 PM |
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How many decades would a study have to last to prove this avicide causes cancer in humans? |
No Elephants |
Jan-22-11 03:56 AM |
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article didn't say that it was sprayed. |
mopinko |
Jan-21-11 08:41 AM |
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This particular poison is applied as bait, not sprayed |
NickB79 |
Jan-21-11 12:54 PM |
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Pale blue dot do you have any data that would |
midnight |
Jan-21-11 02:49 AM |
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All studies begin with speculation (NT) |
The Wizard |
Jan-21-11 09:49 AM |
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So do all crazy internet rumors. nt |
NickB79 |
Jan-21-11 12:47 PM |
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Where would we be? |
kenfrequed |
Jan-21-11 01:59 PM |
#118 |
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Curiously |
kenfrequed |
Jan-21-11 10:17 AM |
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It doesn't appear to be a neurotoxin |
NickB79 |
Jan-21-11 12:52 PM |
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Metabolic poison |
undergroundpanther |
Jan-21-11 01:51 PM |
#117 |
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Oh, good. |
No Elephants |
Jan-22-11 03:59 AM |
#145 |
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Umm as a person in the Biopharmaceutical industry THATS CRAP |
TZ |
Jan-21-11 02:17 PM |
#120 |
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"Runoff maybe hazardous to aquatic organisms in neighboring areas." |
DirkGently |
Jan-21-11 02:57 PM |
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Problems |
kenfrequed |
Jan-21-11 03:09 PM |
#124 |
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5 years is nowhere near enough to rule out a substance as a cause of cancer, Alzheimers, etc. |
No Elephants |
Jan-22-11 04:04 AM |
#146 |
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Shouldn't the Gov do the "Gold Standard" study before |
awnobles |
Jan-21-11 10:58 AM |
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Right -- study the poison FIRST -- which is what sane countries do -- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 01:01 PM |
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The question has to be raised and maybe |
DoBotherMe |
Jan-21-11 11:56 AM |
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We can't "poison" anything in nature without poisoning ourselves ... we are part of nature! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 01:02 PM |
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I know this, but if there needs to be a double blind study |
DoBotherMe |
Jan-21-11 01:08 PM |
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You "know" but then you deny it ...? We need some doubling up on common sense ... !! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 01:17 PM |
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I have no idea where you got that I am denying it |
DoBotherMe |
Jan-21-11 01:44 PM |
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Let's prove FIRST these poisons have no link to autism, cancers, disease ... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 12:59 PM |
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Well, true. |
ElboRuum |
Jan-21-11 02:14 PM |
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Doesn't Jenny McCarthy own the science on autism? |
cottonseed |
Jan-20-11 11:17 PM |
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Agree -- and COREXIT was another suicidal idea - but a win for BP --- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 12:49 PM |
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Lots of birds had big die offs lately... |
Evasporque |
Jan-20-11 07:42 PM |
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Got something against |
BobbyBoring |
Jan-21-11 10:59 AM |
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That is insanity! |
Pharaoh |
Jan-20-11 07:52 PM |
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Didn't you read? |
texastoast |
Jan-21-11 11:19 AM |
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Pesticides are harmful period. How can they say it kills birds but doesn't kill pets? Idiots. |
glinda |
Jan-20-11 08:10 PM |
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if your pet is a bird |
quaker bill |
Jan-21-11 06:31 AM |
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Err |
kenfrequed |
Jan-21-11 10:39 AM |
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Organophosphates |
quaker bill |
Jan-21-11 06:20 PM |
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Of course honey bee die off, and also I heard no crickets last summer. |
sasquuatch55 |
Jan-21-11 07:17 AM |
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Gotta Keep on Top of This One...If the Govt. seemed to "come clean" just think |
KoKo |
Jan-20-11 08:19 PM |
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Exactly -- this alledged confession may be a limited hang-out to cover up |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 01:04 PM |
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It's so sad that we all know what "Limited Hang Out" means these days..and |
KoKo |
Jan-21-11 07:07 PM |
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"It's not nice to fool (with) Mother Nature!" |
FailureToCommunicate |
Jan-20-11 08:32 PM |
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Should have told that to the idiots who introduced this species to this continent in the first place |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 08:25 AM |
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Red wing blackbirds are native |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 08:36 AM |
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There were no redwing blackbirds poisoned here. |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 09:10 AM |
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Search cattle feedlots near Beebe, Arkansas |
harvey007 |
Jan-21-11 09:20 AM |
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This story was about birds in South Dakota. n/t |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:09 PM |
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I saw dead ones |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 07:39 PM |
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Oh shit |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 07:41 PM |
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No kidding |
era veteran |
Jan-21-11 11:43 AM |
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Makes you wonder if this is what killed the fish in Arkansas? |
sarcasmo |
Jan-20-11 08:39 PM |
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What? You think that a poison sprayed on the ground might somehow make it into a river? |
Nihil |
Jan-21-11 07:50 AM |
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The devil is in the qualifying adjectives or adverbs, and definitions of terms.. |
Divernan |
Jan-21-11 08:39 AM |
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Re: fish and humans |
SOS |
Jan-21-11 08:43 AM |
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No, it doesn't. |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:59 PM |
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Outrageous. |
JudyM |
Jan-20-11 08:43 PM |
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You said it! |
Celtic Raven |
Jan-20-11 09:48 PM |
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+1,000. This kind of socialism for the greediest and least thoughtful |
Lorien |
Jan-20-11 11:13 PM |
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Exactly. It is outrageous. |
ixion |
Jan-21-11 03:41 AM |
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Poison. I knew that. |
lonestarnot |
Jan-20-11 09:02 PM |
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I'm scared to go to the dungeon now |
snooper2 |
Jan-20-11 09:03 PM |
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K&R |
theHandpuppet |
Jan-20-11 10:17 PM |
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Well, fuck. Not content with the Tuskegee experiments |
cliffordu |
Jan-20-11 10:28 PM |
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Offensive. Please DO NOT compare Black Men to black birds. |
KossackRealityCheck |
Jan-21-11 07:05 AM |
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Not keen to wade into anything here but... |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 10:22 AM |
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History check |
KossackRealityCheck |
Jan-21-11 12:57 PM |
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I am not comparing black men to black birds and if you actually |
cliffordu |
Jan-21-11 11:06 AM |
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I read you're post and the OP |
KossackRealityCheck |
Jan-21-11 01:01 PM |
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Or.What. |
cliffordu |
Jan-21-11 03:58 PM |
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Rational people don't make threats |
KossackRealityCheck |
Jan-22-11 05:52 AM |
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You are fucking well right about all of that. |
cliffordu |
Jan-22-11 11:19 AM |
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I got what you were saying. |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 08:01 PM |
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Thanks. Some just want to misunderstand. |
cliffordu |
Jan-21-11 08:22 PM |
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Thirteen years ago, one of my best friends died of cancer. |
Bette Noir |
Jan-21-11 01:40 PM |
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I agree. Did you read my post? |
KossackRealityCheck |
Jan-21-11 02:42 PM |
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After "Silent Spring" |
riverwalker |
Jan-20-11 10:28 PM |
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I'm not surprised. Our poison protection standards are basically trial and error. |
craigmatic |
Jan-20-11 10:50 PM |
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The USDA needs to stop killing native species for the profit of private corporations |
Lorien |
Jan-20-11 11:12 PM |
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Starlings are not a native species. |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 08:26 AM |
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Pete Dunne, spokesman for New Jersey Audubon: |
ronnie624 |
Jan-21-11 10:26 AM |
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So what? |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:22 PM |
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The same could be said of kudzu vine |
NickB79 |
Jan-21-11 12:56 PM |
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They may not be native, and yes, they are muscling in on the native niches... |
InvisibleTouch |
Jan-21-11 10:40 AM |
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Well said Invisible Touch, well said |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 10:48 AM |
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And, you think that's okay? |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:20 PM |
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It's not necesssarily "okay"... |
InvisibleTouch |
Jan-21-11 01:42 PM |
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The invasive species is Homo sapiens |
SOS |
Jan-21-11 06:24 PM |
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+1 |
onpatrol98 |
Jan-21-11 12:25 PM |
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* |
ronnie624 |
Jan-21-11 01:08 PM |
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K&R n/t |
pengillian101 |
Jan-21-11 12:48 AM |
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WTF? |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Jan-21-11 03:52 AM |
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This doesn't surprise me. In SD the state Trapper uses cyanide |
newfie11 |
Jan-21-11 04:39 AM |
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This is getting to be a common pattern it seems. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Jan-21-11 04:55 AM |
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This makes me fell ill. |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 05:53 AM |
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And, ironically, the biblical attitude is misinterpreted |
MorningGlow |
Jan-21-11 08:16 AM |
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Exactly |
SOS |
Jan-21-11 09:35 AM |
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Absolutely correct! |
hamsterjill |
Jan-21-11 09:37 AM |
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Those " beautiful birds" are destroying our beautiful native species. |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 08:35 AM |
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I think that's a completely different discussion. |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 09:49 AM |
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No, it isn't |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:50 PM |
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these agencies who work aside these big corporations just do |
bdamomma |
Jan-21-11 08:38 AM |
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They have no right to do this! n/t |
sandyj999 |
Jan-21-11 06:05 AM |
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I don't like it |
quaker bill |
Jan-21-11 06:38 AM |
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I've certainly read about this. |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 09:52 AM |
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True |
quaker bill |
Jan-21-11 06:05 PM |
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Ok they have the "right" to do this but I say it's morally wrong. n/t |
sandyj999 |
Jan-21-11 02:46 PM |
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What happen to "Don't mess with Mother Nature" |
NikRik |
Jan-21-11 07:06 AM |
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Mother Nature was already messed with. |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 08:17 AM |
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is there anyone who didn't think from the start that the issue was environmental? |
Blue_Tires |
Jan-21-11 07:25 AM |
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Not blackbirds, |
pipoman |
Jan-21-11 07:45 AM |
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THANK YOU!!!! |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 08:23 AM |
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I agree with you. |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 09:58 AM |
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"The die was cast"???? |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:24 PM |
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The main target for poison are the red wing blackbirds |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 08:56 AM |
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Did you even read the article???? n/t |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 09:11 AM |
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Yes I did |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 07:44 PM |
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This has nothing to do with this OP,,, |
pipoman |
Jan-21-11 04:20 PM |
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Well fuck me |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 07:51 PM |
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Maybe you should have responded to the OP |
pipoman |
Jan-21-11 10:14 PM |
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that is exactly what I told a friend of mine who was commenting |
SemperEadem |
Jan-21-11 08:14 AM |
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Where's the "Move along, nothing to see here, happens all the time" guy? nt |
valerief |
Jan-21-11 08:43 AM |
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I don't know... but others are asking we prove it is not harmful |
fascisthunter |
Jan-21-11 08:50 AM |
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"Watch out for cliff!" "Prove to me the cliff is unsafe." "I haven't jumped off it myself, |
valerief |
Jan-21-11 11:48 AM |
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I think he replied earlier |
eilen |
Jan-21-11 08:54 AM |
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"defecating on a farmer's cattle feed" Why can't he cover it up? |
Joanne98 |
Jan-21-11 09:27 AM |
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Thats a GREAT point.! |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 10:01 AM |
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More good reasons not to patronize the cow industry. |
Kolesar |
Jan-21-11 12:56 PM |
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why can't the cows be fed indoors instead of killing birds? |
firehorse |
Jan-21-11 10:34 AM |
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I'm skeptical about the claim of supplanting native species. |
ronnie624 |
Jan-21-11 10:51 AM |
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Typical Gov't solution... |
Vilis Veritas |
Jan-21-11 11:07 AM |
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Kind of hard to find an ethical, safe, and cost-effective solution when... |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:55 PM |
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"they don't want to advertise their work. They like to work fast, efficiently, and out of sight." |
Faryn Balyncd |
Jan-21-11 11:45 AM |
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I just want to scream! |
goforit |
Jan-21-11 12:15 PM |
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AVICIDE? |
Canuckistanian |
Jan-21-11 12:34 PM |
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We also have poisions |
pipoman |
Jan-21-11 04:28 PM |
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Sick. |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-21-11 01:50 PM |
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Hopi Native American Prophecy relevant much? |
99th_Monkey |
Jan-21-11 03:50 PM |
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We've been here since the 1970s |
texastoast |
Jan-21-11 05:03 PM |
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Mysterious and Not So Mysterious Bird Deaths |
arachadillo |
Jan-21-11 06:52 PM |
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Really? I thought it was swamp gas from a weather balloon |
chrisa |
Jan-21-11 08:16 PM |
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Stupid cattle takes precedence over everything. |
pinniped |
Jan-22-11 03:20 AM |
#143 |