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| -Bye Bye Blackbird: USDA acknowledges a hand in one mass bird death |
harvey007 |
Jan-20-11 06:59 PM |
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Who the hell knows WHAT they are experimenting with or who |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jan-20-11 07:23 PM |
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If the gov't says it, |
femrap |
Jan-20-11 10:40 PM |
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Here is the agency's website |
harvey007 |
Jan-21-11 08:47 AM |
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They spray it, we eat it. Autism rise? Move along. No speculating here. nt |
valerief |
Jan-20-11 07:33 PM |
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cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's... |
wordpix |
Jan-20-11 09:51 PM |
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The insanity of our policies proves the suicidal nature of capitalism ... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 12:57 PM |
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Cancer EPIDEMIC in this country and they keep on with the poison. Now we know. |
DesertDiamond |
Jan-21-11 01:44 PM |
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Oh jeez. Prove it. |
Pale Blue Dot |
Jan-20-11 10:37 PM |
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Aerial poisoning. Gee, how could such a thing have health effects on humans? |
Lorien |
Jan-20-11 11:16 PM |
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Can you explain the purpose of double blind studies? |
Pale Blue Dot |
Jan-20-11 11:32 PM |
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How many decades would a study have to last to prove this avicide causes cancer in humans? |
No Elephants |
Jan-22-11 03:56 AM |
#144 |
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article didn't say that it was sprayed. |
mopinko |
Jan-21-11 08:41 AM |
#51 |
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This particular poison is applied as bait, not sprayed |
NickB79 |
Jan-21-11 12:54 PM |
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Pale blue dot do you have any data that would |
midnight |
Jan-21-11 02:49 AM |
#26 |
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All studies begin with speculation (NT) |
The Wizard |
Jan-21-11 09:49 AM |
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So do all crazy internet rumors. nt |
NickB79 |
Jan-21-11 12:47 PM |
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Where would we be? |
kenfrequed |
Jan-21-11 01:59 PM |
#118 |
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Curiously |
kenfrequed |
Jan-21-11 10:17 AM |
#69 |
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It doesn't appear to be a neurotoxin |
NickB79 |
Jan-21-11 12:52 PM |
#96 |
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Metabolic poison |
undergroundpanther |
Jan-21-11 01:51 PM |
#117 |
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Oh, good. |
No Elephants |
Jan-22-11 03:59 AM |
#145 |
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Umm as a person in the Biopharmaceutical industry THATS CRAP |
TZ |
Jan-21-11 02:17 PM |
#120 |
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"Runoff maybe hazardous to aquatic organisms in neighboring areas." |
DirkGently |
Jan-21-11 02:57 PM |
#123 |
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Problems |
kenfrequed |
Jan-21-11 03:09 PM |
#124 |
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5 years is nowhere near enough to rule out a substance as a cause of cancer, Alzheimers, etc. |
No Elephants |
Jan-22-11 04:04 AM |
#146 |
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Shouldn't the Gov do the "Gold Standard" study before |
awnobles |
Jan-21-11 10:58 AM |
#77 |
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Right -- study the poison FIRST -- which is what sane countries do -- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 01:01 PM |
#106 |
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The question has to be raised and maybe |
DoBotherMe |
Jan-21-11 11:56 AM |
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We can't "poison" anything in nature without poisoning ourselves ... we are part of nature! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 01:02 PM |
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I know this, but if there needs to be a double blind study |
DoBotherMe |
Jan-21-11 01:08 PM |
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You "know" but then you deny it ...? We need some doubling up on common sense ... !! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 01:17 PM |
#111 |
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I have no idea where you got that I am denying it |
DoBotherMe |
Jan-21-11 01:44 PM |
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Let's prove FIRST these poisons have no link to autism, cancers, disease ... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 12:59 PM |
#104 |
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Well, true. |
ElboRuum |
Jan-21-11 02:14 PM |
#119 |
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Doesn't Jenny McCarthy own the science on autism? |
cottonseed |
Jan-20-11 11:17 PM |
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Agree -- and COREXIT was another suicidal idea - but a win for BP --- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 12:49 PM |
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Lots of birds had big die offs lately... |
Evasporque |
Jan-20-11 07:42 PM |
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Got something against |
BobbyBoring |
Jan-21-11 10:59 AM |
#78 |
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That is insanity! |
Pharaoh |
Jan-20-11 07:52 PM |
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Didn't you read? |
texastoast |
Jan-21-11 11:19 AM |
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Pesticides are harmful period. How can they say it kills birds but doesn't kill pets? Idiots. |
glinda |
Jan-20-11 08:10 PM |
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if your pet is a bird |
quaker bill |
Jan-21-11 06:31 AM |
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Err |
kenfrequed |
Jan-21-11 10:39 AM |
#73 |
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Organophosphates |
quaker bill |
Jan-21-11 06:20 PM |
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Of course honey bee die off, and also I heard no crickets last summer. |
sasquuatch55 |
Jan-21-11 07:17 AM |
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Gotta Keep on Top of This One...If the Govt. seemed to "come clean" just think |
KoKo |
Jan-20-11 08:19 PM |
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Exactly -- this alledged confession may be a limited hang-out to cover up |
defendandprotect |
Jan-21-11 01:04 PM |
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It's so sad that we all know what "Limited Hang Out" means these days..and |
KoKo |
Jan-21-11 07:07 PM |
#134 |
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"It's not nice to fool (with) Mother Nature!" |
FailureToCommunicate |
Jan-20-11 08:32 PM |
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Should have told that to the idiots who introduced this species to this continent in the first place |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 08:25 AM |
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Red wing blackbirds are native |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 08:36 AM |
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There were no redwing blackbirds poisoned here. |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 09:10 AM |
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Search cattle feedlots near Beebe, Arkansas |
harvey007 |
Jan-21-11 09:20 AM |
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This story was about birds in South Dakota. n/t |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:09 PM |
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I saw dead ones |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 07:39 PM |
#135 |
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Oh shit |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 07:41 PM |
#136 |
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No kidding |
era veteran |
Jan-21-11 11:43 AM |
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Makes you wonder if this is what killed the fish in Arkansas? |
sarcasmo |
Jan-20-11 08:39 PM |
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What? You think that a poison sprayed on the ground might somehow make it into a river? |
Nihil |
Jan-21-11 07:50 AM |
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The devil is in the qualifying adjectives or adverbs, and definitions of terms.. |
Divernan |
Jan-21-11 08:39 AM |
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Re: fish and humans |
SOS |
Jan-21-11 08:43 AM |
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No, it doesn't. |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:59 PM |
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Outrageous. |
JudyM |
Jan-20-11 08:43 PM |
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You said it! |
Celtic Raven |
Jan-20-11 09:48 PM |
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+1,000. This kind of socialism for the greediest and least thoughtful |
Lorien |
Jan-20-11 11:13 PM |
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Exactly. It is outrageous. |
ixion |
Jan-21-11 03:41 AM |
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Poison. I knew that. |
lonestarnot |
Jan-20-11 09:02 PM |
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I'm scared to go to the dungeon now |
snooper2 |
Jan-20-11 09:03 PM |
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K&R |
theHandpuppet |
Jan-20-11 10:17 PM |
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Well, fuck. Not content with the Tuskegee experiments |
cliffordu |
Jan-20-11 10:28 PM |
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Offensive. Please DO NOT compare Black Men to black birds. |
KossackRealityCheck |
Jan-21-11 07:05 AM |
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Not keen to wade into anything here but... |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 10:22 AM |
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History check |
KossackRealityCheck |
Jan-21-11 12:57 PM |
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I am not comparing black men to black birds and if you actually |
cliffordu |
Jan-21-11 11:06 AM |
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I read you're post and the OP |
KossackRealityCheck |
Jan-21-11 01:01 PM |
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Or.What. |
cliffordu |
Jan-21-11 03:58 PM |
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Rational people don't make threats |
KossackRealityCheck |
Jan-22-11 05:52 AM |
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You are fucking well right about all of that. |
cliffordu |
Jan-22-11 11:19 AM |
#148 |
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I got what you were saying. |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 08:01 PM |
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Thanks. Some just want to misunderstand. |
cliffordu |
Jan-21-11 08:22 PM |
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Thirteen years ago, one of my best friends died of cancer. |
Bette Noir |
Jan-21-11 01:40 PM |
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I agree. Did you read my post? |
KossackRealityCheck |
Jan-21-11 02:42 PM |
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After "Silent Spring" |
riverwalker |
Jan-20-11 10:28 PM |
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I'm not surprised. Our poison protection standards are basically trial and error. |
craigmatic |
Jan-20-11 10:50 PM |
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The USDA needs to stop killing native species for the profit of private corporations |
Lorien |
Jan-20-11 11:12 PM |
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Starlings are not a native species. |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 08:26 AM |
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Pete Dunne, spokesman for New Jersey Audubon: |
ronnie624 |
Jan-21-11 10:26 AM |
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So what? |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:22 PM |
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The same could be said of kudzu vine |
NickB79 |
Jan-21-11 12:56 PM |
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They may not be native, and yes, they are muscling in on the native niches... |
InvisibleTouch |
Jan-21-11 10:40 AM |
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Well said Invisible Touch, well said |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 10:48 AM |
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And, you think that's okay? |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:20 PM |
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It's not necesssarily "okay"... |
InvisibleTouch |
Jan-21-11 01:42 PM |
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The invasive species is Homo sapiens |
SOS |
Jan-21-11 06:24 PM |
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+1 |
onpatrol98 |
Jan-21-11 12:25 PM |
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* |
ronnie624 |
Jan-21-11 01:08 PM |
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K&R n/t |
pengillian101 |
Jan-21-11 12:48 AM |
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WTF? |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Jan-21-11 03:52 AM |
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This doesn't surprise me. In SD the state Trapper uses cyanide |
newfie11 |
Jan-21-11 04:39 AM |
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This is getting to be a common pattern it seems. |
Altoid_Cyclist |
Jan-21-11 04:55 AM |
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This makes me fell ill. |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 05:53 AM |
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And, ironically, the biblical attitude is misinterpreted |
MorningGlow |
Jan-21-11 08:16 AM |
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Exactly |
SOS |
Jan-21-11 09:35 AM |
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Absolutely correct! |
hamsterjill |
Jan-21-11 09:37 AM |
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Those " beautiful birds" are destroying our beautiful native species. |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 08:35 AM |
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I think that's a completely different discussion. |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 09:49 AM |
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No, it isn't |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:50 PM |
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these agencies who work aside these big corporations just do |
bdamomma |
Jan-21-11 08:38 AM |
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They have no right to do this! n/t |
sandyj999 |
Jan-21-11 06:05 AM |
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I don't like it |
quaker bill |
Jan-21-11 06:38 AM |
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I've certainly read about this. |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 09:52 AM |
#66 |
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True |
quaker bill |
Jan-21-11 06:05 PM |
#130 |
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Ok they have the "right" to do this but I say it's morally wrong. n/t |
sandyj999 |
Jan-21-11 02:46 PM |
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What happen to "Don't mess with Mother Nature" |
NikRik |
Jan-21-11 07:06 AM |
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Mother Nature was already messed with. |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 08:17 AM |
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is there anyone who didn't think from the start that the issue was environmental? |
Blue_Tires |
Jan-21-11 07:25 AM |
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Not blackbirds, |
pipoman |
Jan-21-11 07:45 AM |
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THANK YOU!!!! |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 08:23 AM |
#44 |
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I agree with you. |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 09:58 AM |
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"The die was cast"???? |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:24 PM |
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The main target for poison are the red wing blackbirds |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 08:56 AM |
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Did you even read the article???? n/t |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 09:11 AM |
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Yes I did |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 07:44 PM |
#137 |
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This has nothing to do with this OP,,, |
pipoman |
Jan-21-11 04:20 PM |
#127 |
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Well fuck me |
Boudica the Lyoness |
Jan-21-11 07:51 PM |
#138 |
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Maybe you should have responded to the OP |
pipoman |
Jan-21-11 10:14 PM |
#142 |
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that is exactly what I told a friend of mine who was commenting |
SemperEadem |
Jan-21-11 08:14 AM |
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Where's the "Move along, nothing to see here, happens all the time" guy? nt |
valerief |
Jan-21-11 08:43 AM |
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I don't know... but others are asking we prove it is not harmful |
fascisthunter |
Jan-21-11 08:50 AM |
#55 |
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"Watch out for cliff!" "Prove to me the cliff is unsafe." "I haven't jumped off it myself, |
valerief |
Jan-21-11 11:48 AM |
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I think he replied earlier |
eilen |
Jan-21-11 08:54 AM |
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"defecating on a farmer's cattle feed" Why can't he cover it up? |
Joanne98 |
Jan-21-11 09:27 AM |
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Thats a GREAT point.! |
Fokker Trip |
Jan-21-11 10:01 AM |
#68 |
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More good reasons not to patronize the cow industry. |
Kolesar |
Jan-21-11 12:56 PM |
#99 |
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why can't the cows be fed indoors instead of killing birds? |
firehorse |
Jan-21-11 10:34 AM |
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I'm skeptical about the claim of supplanting native species. |
ronnie624 |
Jan-21-11 10:51 AM |
#76 |
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Typical Gov't solution... |
Vilis Veritas |
Jan-21-11 11:07 AM |
#80 |
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Kind of hard to find an ethical, safe, and cost-effective solution when... |
GoCubsGo |
Jan-21-11 12:55 PM |
#98 |
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"they don't want to advertise their work. They like to work fast, efficiently, and out of sight." |
Faryn Balyncd |
Jan-21-11 11:45 AM |
#83 |
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I just want to scream! |
goforit |
Jan-21-11 12:15 PM |
#87 |
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AVICIDE? |
Canuckistanian |
Jan-21-11 12:34 PM |
#92 |
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We also have poisions |
pipoman |
Jan-21-11 04:28 PM |
#128 |
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Sick. |
grahamhgreen |
Jan-21-11 01:50 PM |
#116 |
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Hopi Native American Prophecy relevant much? |
99th_Monkey |
Jan-21-11 03:50 PM |
#125 |
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We've been here since the 1970s |
texastoast |
Jan-21-11 05:03 PM |
#129 |
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Mysterious and Not So Mysterious Bird Deaths |
arachadillo |
Jan-21-11 06:52 PM |
#133 |
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Really? I thought it was swamp gas from a weather balloon |
chrisa |
Jan-21-11 08:16 PM |
#140 |
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Stupid cattle takes precedence over everything. |
pinniped |
Jan-22-11 03:20 AM |
#143 |
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