TheWraith
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Wed Jan-19-11 12:51 AM
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| 47. Which doesn't give her or anyone the right to define public policy. |
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Personal tragedy does not make you an expert in what is right. Invoking the shooting of a family member to justify a crusade against guns and gun owners is nothing but writ small of the principle behind invoking 9/11 to justify endless wars. Public policy has to be based on SCIENTIFIC understanding, not irrational emotional hyperbole. In this case, we tried magazine capacity limits before, 1994 to 2004, and the Department of Justice tells us that there is absolutely no evidence that it reduced crime in any way.
Remember Virginia Tech? The shooter there used 10-round magazines which would be legal under this bill, and he managed to kill far more people than Jared Loughner did.
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| -Rep. McCarthy Intros Bill to Ban High-Capacity Ammo Clips |
onehandle |
Jan-18-11 09:20 PM |
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10 rounds good, 11 rounds bad |
derby378 |
Jan-18-11 09:28 PM |
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I thought Loughner's gun had 31 rounds? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-18-11 09:32 PM |
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From McCarthy's press release |
derby378 |
Jan-18-11 09:40 PM |
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Well I don't think anyone needs 31 rounds |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jan-18-11 09:43 PM |
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Well, uh... |
derby378 |
Jan-18-11 09:45 PM |
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If I do, well, I've got even bigger problems |
AlbertCat |
Jan-18-11 10:06 PM |
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The thing is.... |
FarLeftFist |
Jan-18-11 10:46 PM |
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Tell that to the guy.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-18-11 11:02 PM |
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True but... |
FarLeftFist |
Jan-18-11 11:45 PM |
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Your argument is the BEST way to dismatle the Constitution |
FreakinDJ |
Jan-19-11 01:04 AM |
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why are you using the exact argument as the right? |
StarsInHerHair |
Jan-20-11 12:13 AM |
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Oh - very intelligent rebuttal there |
FreakinDJ |
Jan-20-11 07:31 AM |
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And it may just piss them off.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-19-11 10:24 AM |
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It appears you are more then willing |
Riftaxe |
Jan-19-11 11:40 AM |
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Another great argument for getting rid of guns entirely -- !! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 10:44 PM |
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This is apparently an emotional issue for you. I understand. |
The Doctor. |
Jan-18-11 11:51 PM |
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When St Gun enters the room, logic always seems to leave. |
sellitman |
Jan-19-11 06:54 AM |
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Concrete limits based on what? |
derby378 |
Jan-19-11 04:36 PM |
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Forgetting bullets for a moment, what about concerns for life? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 10:43 PM |
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Oh, so we are 'Strict Constitutionalists' now? |
onehandle |
Jan-18-11 09:34 PM |
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"Intellectual?" no, common sense yes |
demosincebirth |
Jan-18-11 09:39 PM |
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So, your "common sense" tells you criminals will give a $%#t about this law? |
Tejas |
Jan-18-11 09:44 PM |
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It's a start .... and given the rising right wing violence, it's a necessity .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-18-11 09:50 PM |
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And there we strike upon a serious problem. |
The Doctor. |
Jan-19-11 12:06 AM |
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Exactly |
customerserviceguy |
Jan-19-11 06:16 AM |
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McCarthy, not Maloney |
derby378 |
Jan-19-11 04:39 PM |
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So, your "common sense" tells you criminals will give a $%#t about this law? |
AlbertCat |
Jan-18-11 10:11 PM |
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I know a couple of "intellectuals" who have a hard time tying their shoe laces |
demosincebirth |
Jan-20-11 02:34 PM |
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...but "intellectually" the Supremes could justify W and guns for everyone? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-18-11 09:49 PM |
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How long was the precedent for PLESSY V. FERGUSON? |
derby378 |
Jan-18-11 09:52 PM |
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Was there an opening clause which cited a "well-regulated militia" in Plessy? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-18-11 09:56 PM |
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Crime, voilent and otherwise are at historic lows down about half from the early 1970's. |
davepc |
Jan-19-11 06:21 AM |
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GOPs/NRA will continue to push for selling more guns -- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 11:00 AM |
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lines have to be drawn somewhere |
harmonicon |
Jan-18-11 10:13 PM |
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ICBM? |
gejohnston |
Jan-18-11 10:54 PM |
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It's not a straw man, but the end of a logical progression. |
harmonicon |
Jan-18-11 11:31 PM |
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And who decides the criteria by which Congress draws those lines? |
derby378 |
Jan-19-11 04:42 PM |
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Criteria should certainly not be what's good for GOPs/NRA but what's good for America .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 10:47 PM |
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simple answer again: we do. |
harmonicon |
Jan-20-11 09:50 AM |
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I've seen this before...... |
aikoaiko |
Jan-18-11 09:42 PM |
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Good for her -- Canada has 7 million guns in 10 million homes and only 200 deaths by gun |
defendandprotect |
Jan-18-11 09:46 PM |
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Personally, I tend to favor mandated training... |
derby378 |
Jan-18-11 09:51 PM |
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You don't need a permit for "freedom of speech" -- you need permits to protest now .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-18-11 09:59 PM |
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Are you saying "free-speech zones" are a good thing? |
derby378 |
Jan-19-11 04:30 PM |
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I'm saying that free speech is now based on $$ if you read the latest right wing |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 10:12 PM |
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however |
gejohnston |
Jan-18-11 11:30 PM |
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Presented it as an example of sanity ...which we could use here -- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 10:14 PM |
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post script |
gejohnston |
Jan-18-11 11:38 PM |
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Canada is generally sane -- America is not -- that's the comparison.... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 10:19 PM |
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Annnnnd.... |
pipoman |
Jan-19-11 12:58 AM |
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why should your ex-spouse have that much of a say? |
bossy22 |
Jan-19-11 09:00 AM |
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Evidently, you're unaware of domestic violence and men shooting women after |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 10:21 PM |
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if she doesn't know the difference between a clip and a magazine |
naaman fletcher |
Jan-18-11 09:52 PM |
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McCarthy knows the difference between a dead husband and a wounded son.. by gunman ... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-18-11 09:53 PM |
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Sure, |
naaman fletcher |
Jan-18-11 10:19 PM |
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Re-read your message .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-18-11 10:26 PM |
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meant to say "if" |
naaman fletcher |
Jan-18-11 10:31 PM |
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So you made a mistake which made a huge difference in meaning of your post ... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-18-11 10:44 PM |
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i made a typo.. |
naaman fletcher |
Jan-18-11 11:39 PM |
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I know what you did - I brought it to your attention ... McCarthy has dyslexia... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 08:35 AM |
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Which doesn't give her or anyone the right to define public policy. |
TheWraith |
Jan-19-11 12:51 AM |
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A "Crusade" against guns and gun owners .... ? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 08:41 AM |
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If she was half as anxious to |
pipoman |
Jan-19-11 01:14 AM |
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They weren't armed |
Ter |
Jan-19-11 11:56 PM |
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then she has no business legislating on the subject. |
AlbertCat |
Jan-18-11 10:18 PM |
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She has had endless hearings over her career, |
naaman fletcher |
Jan-18-11 10:22 PM |
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Or you have an GOP/NRA interpretation of what she is saying ... ? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-18-11 10:29 PM |
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nope. |
naaman fletcher |
Jan-18-11 10:30 PM |
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You mean like the Patriot Act ... ? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-18-11 10:35 PM |
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I think you made the previous poster's point for him.. |
X_Digger |
Jan-18-11 10:41 PM |
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any time the gun crowd talks about emotion |
HankyDubs |
Jan-19-11 03:20 AM |
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I'm not the one who brought up emotion |
naaman fletcher |
Jan-19-11 06:27 AM |
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GOPs/NRA "emotions" are based on aggression, violence, fearmongering .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 08:51 AM |
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+1000% -- Where would the entire right wing be without appeals to FEAR -- ?? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 08:53 AM |
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For her sake |
gejohnston |
Jan-18-11 11:19 PM |
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For your sake -- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 08:57 AM |
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K&R for actual political leadership on the left. n/t |
intheflow |
Jan-18-11 10:08 PM |
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Jan-18-11 10:36 PM |
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This bill is going nowhere |
Upton |
Jan-18-11 10:43 PM |
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I don't have a problem with this feel-good bill. |
Dappleganger |
Jan-18-11 11:07 PM |
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because your government is so violent against people,I shudder if they ban you from having firearms |
stockholmer |
Jan-19-11 01:15 AM |
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It is not like that where I live, Mr. Fear Monger ... eom |
Kolesar |
Jan-19-11 05:25 AM |
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Actually gun dealers and gun owners should love this. |
zogofzorkon |
Jan-19-11 04:48 AM |
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100% for this...No real reason anybody needs that many rounds loaded |
snooper2 |
Jan-19-11 09:11 AM |
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so why do we give police handguns with 15 round magazines? |
bossy22 |
Jan-19-11 09:46 AM |
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Why do we give Navy pilots missles? |
snooper2 |
Jan-19-11 09:55 AM |
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If individual police officers duties included shooting down planes, |
benEzra |
Jan-19-11 10:11 AM |
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they are not apples and oranges |
bossy22 |
Jan-19-11 10:17 AM |
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Its not really... police encounter the same criminals victimizing regular folks. |
aikoaiko |
Jan-19-11 10:59 AM |
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*yawn* What a waste of time and resources. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-19-11 10:09 AM |
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Indeed... |
Imajika |
Jan-19-11 10:25 AM |
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Yup. It sucks because there ARE so many things that need attention. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-19-11 10:33 AM |
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She's a classic "loose cannon" for our party |
slackmaster |
Jan-19-11 10:11 AM |
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Accomplishing nothing but driving voters to the other side. |
cleanhippie |
Jan-19-11 01:31 PM |
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Ambulance chasing. |
Tejas |
Jan-19-11 03:41 PM |
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Jan-19-11 08:13 PM |
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Let's see if America can be sane for a change? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-19-11 10:40 PM |
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So what about the people who buy up all of the high-capacity clips before this law is enacted? |
truthisfreedom |
Jan-19-11 11:33 PM |
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So she wants people to hand load their 10+ round magazines? |
davepc |
Jan-20-11 07:36 AM |
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Why are police (and retired police) exempted from this? |
Hoopla Phil |
Jan-20-11 09:33 AM |
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Police are exempt from all gun control legislation. |
davepc |
Jan-20-11 10:46 AM |
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Because gun ban proponents are all authoritarians at their core |
slackmaster |
Jan-20-11 10:50 AM |
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The Op has a misleading title. |
beevul |
Jan-20-11 07:27 PM |
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