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Tue Jan-18-11 01:38 AM
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| 186. Maybe you should have gotten some "Gruel Helper!" |
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Dad's line about Hamburger Helper. We call it Hangover Helper. Just to be silly.  |
| -Six months of breastfeeding alone could harm babies, scientists now say |
Turborama |
Jan-13-11 08:10 PM |
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I'll Drink to that! |
Demeter |
Jan-13-11 08:12 PM |
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harmful? |
Abq_Sarah |
Jan-13-11 08:13 PM |
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They are saying we should start WEANING Children before they are six months old |
happyslug |
Jan-13-11 08:23 PM |
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Agreed. I introduced cereal at 3 months, though I continued |
enlightenment |
Jan-13-11 08:25 PM |
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well said. |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 08:42 AM |
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Yeah, how about that. |
freshwest |
Jan-13-11 08:51 PM |
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I agree. And idealy you should start them smoking at the Olive Garden by age 2. |
Liberal Veteran |
Jan-13-11 08:24 PM |
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If you start the smoking at 2, are they nice and fully cured by 3? |
boppers |
Jan-14-11 01:51 AM |
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Just when I'd promised myself to maintain a civil tone, this is making it difficult. |
enough |
Jan-13-11 08:24 PM |
#5 |
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Unfortunately, perhaps a lot of Women are not as savy as you. |
BlueJazz |
Jan-13-11 08:30 PM |
#7 |
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It most certainly IS a man's business what a woman feeds his child |
Rage for Order |
Jan-15-11 12:00 AM |
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But some mothers are none too bright... |
DRex |
Jan-13-11 08:39 PM |
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Something like half of them are even below average |
quakerboy |
Jan-13-11 10:40 PM |
#22 |
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The point of these reports is often to confuse the public -- what's new? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 11:26 AM |
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That's rather conspiratorial.... |
DRex |
Jan-14-11 11:40 AM |
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Remember the "Toxic Sludge is good for you" campaign? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 12:31 PM |
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Nowhere does this say not to breastfeed though... |
DRex |
Jan-14-11 02:01 PM |
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With no new evidence vs natural breastfeeding, it's suggesting "HARM" can be done -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 04:55 PM |
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But it's not "VS. Natural Breastfeeding!" |
DRex |
Jan-14-11 05:11 PM |
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Of course, it is "vs breastfeeding" ... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 05:34 PM |
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The issue is not "new evidence"... |
DRex |
Jan-14-11 06:13 PM |
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Baby food industry is using "no new evidence" to try to reverse breastfeeding .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 06:22 PM |
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I guess they are taking the longview then.... |
DRex |
Jan-14-11 06:31 PM |
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Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jan-14-11 06:38 PM |
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4 mo. is still a newborn?!?! |
NickB79 |
Jan-17-11 02:49 PM |
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so you've bought the 'salt & sugar are just like bad drugs' propaganda.... |
StarsInHerHair |
Jan-14-11 05:56 PM |
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Non-natural salt and sugar are great for you ... if you want high blood pressure and diabetes...??? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 07:06 PM |
#147 |
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it seems breast milk can't feed a growing brain enough to make |
roguevalley |
Jan-14-11 12:25 AM |
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What you're saying is inane....hormones/chemicals from breastmilk are used into old age...!!! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 12:35 PM |
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The article talks about WEANING babies off of breastmilk, not replacing it |
NickB79 |
Jan-14-11 04:58 PM |
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Your response is an argument against your judgment and reasoning .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 05:41 PM |
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The first step in weaning is introducing solid foods |
NickB79 |
Jan-14-11 07:30 PM |
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Does it enter your mind that when you "wean" you withdraw breastmilk ... ??? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-15-11 08:50 AM |
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A baby's caloric demands increase as he/she grows |
NickB79 |
Jan-17-11 02:47 PM |
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Most women can keep up with their babies increased caloric needs |
Nikia |
Jan-17-11 08:23 PM |
#185 |
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As for your disdain of medical experts |
NickB79 |
Jan-17-11 02:54 PM |
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Many inexperienced mothers rely on others for advice. They don't trust |
Arkansas Granny |
Jan-14-11 10:09 AM |
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Exactly ... there has long been an effort to STOP breast feeding ... and they succeeded |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 11:25 AM |
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My kids all got rice cereal at three months or so. |
crim son |
Jan-13-11 08:34 PM |
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Same here. |
rosesaylavee |
Jan-13-11 08:55 PM |
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That would suggest the baby is telling the mother they need more than just milk. |
LiberalFighter |
Jan-14-11 09:17 AM |
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i don't know of any studies, but the common sense approach I have found is |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 09:47 AM |
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Laughing. |
crim son |
Jan-14-11 12:45 PM |
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yeah I fed it to my puppy=same results, healthy, happy |
StarsInHerHair |
Jan-14-11 05:58 PM |
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Hi Crim son. Exactly the same here. |
FedUpWithIt All |
Jan-13-11 10:52 PM |
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Nice to see you! |
crim son |
Jan-14-11 12:48 PM |
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My mom got me on to solid food as fast as she could. |
Codeine |
Jan-14-11 12:33 PM |
#110 |
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That is absolutely the truth! |
crim son |
Jan-14-11 12:51 PM |
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I'd like to know who paid for this 'science'? |
DainBramaged |
Jan-13-11 08:53 PM |
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Good point |
Nikia |
Jan-13-11 09:33 PM |
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I am guessing not them |
quakerboy |
Jan-13-11 10:42 PM |
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Good catch! |
Odin2005 |
Jan-13-11 10:50 PM |
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See post #37. Terrible fumble, more like. |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 01:21 AM |
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DOH, my bad! |
Odin2005 |
Jan-14-11 07:37 AM |
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Jan-14-11 11:25 AM |
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Where's the link between Nestle and this study? |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 01:19 AM |
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Hmmm, I simply asked a question, strange your dfense of them is |
DainBramaged |
Jan-14-11 06:56 AM |
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Yes, Nestle have a bad history. However, it's got nothing to do with this study. Someone cited you |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 09:01 AM |
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Yet again, I asked a question, and once again you accused ME of conflating 'my' facts |
DainBramaged |
Jan-14-11 09:56 AM |
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Three people believed that Nestle funded this because of what you posted |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 10:06 AM |
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Jan-14-11 10:44 AM |
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Nestlé Faces Facebook Crisis Over Greenpeace Rainforest Allegations |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 11:37 AM |
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Excellent catch! The article should have been head-lined - |
hedgehog |
Jan-14-11 09:15 AM |
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OMG Not another one. Please See Posts #37 & #67 |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 09:22 AM |
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Exactly the first question we should ask every time. |
harun |
Jan-14-11 09:23 AM |
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So far, it seems the study was from government funded institutions |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 09:24 AM |
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* |
ronnie624 |
Jan-14-11 10:03 AM |
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Jan-14-11 10:46 AM |
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NESTLE strikes again -- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 11:28 AM |
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LOL There is no info. Please read above and let's try and keep DU factual. n/t |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 11:31 AM |
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"FACT" ... "Three of four authors of study have taken money from baby food industry" .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 12:15 PM |
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FACT They were funded by the university and the Medical Research Council = Gov. funding |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 12:26 PM |
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You know how republicans |
laundry_queen |
Jan-16-11 09:22 PM |
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Yes I do, not sure if the same thing happens in the UK though. |
Turborama |
Jan-16-11 09:59 PM |
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These fuckers make me sick. nt |
thereismore |
Jan-14-11 02:09 PM |
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Anyone who has read "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" knows its breastfeeding story: |
elocs |
Jan-13-11 08:55 PM |
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Not to worry they always reverse themselves every 5 years.. |
kickysnana |
Jan-13-11 08:57 PM |
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they keep changing their minds!! i found out about exclusive feeding AFTER i had already been |
ejpoeta |
Jan-13-11 09:05 PM |
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One of the wonderful things you learn as a parent ... |
surrealAmerican |
Jan-13-11 09:16 PM |
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My newhpew lost weight after being born because his mother insisted on breast feeding. |
joshcryer |
Jan-13-11 09:41 PM |
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it's too bad there wasn't a good lactation consultant, or that the dr. wasn't educated about BF'ing. |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 08:30 AM |
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my daughter had a terrible time trying to breastfeed her first child. |
CTyankee |
Jan-14-11 02:53 PM |
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that sounds like a ton of support, which is exactly what she needed. |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 05:42 PM |
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Thanks. It just upset me so much to see her crying when it should have been a joyous time. |
CTyankee |
Jan-15-11 02:42 PM |
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Yeah, that's basically what happened in this situation. |
joshcryer |
Jan-14-11 07:50 PM |
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that's very sad. for both your mom and sister in law. (and the baby) |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 09:23 PM |
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She had her tubes tied, we were fully supportive of her breast feeding. |
joshcryer |
Jan-14-11 11:15 PM |
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personally, i think three months is way too early for cereal, and rice has no nutritional value. |
fleabert |
Jan-15-11 08:00 AM |
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She is overweight and tried for three weeks. |
joshcryer |
Jan-14-11 07:47 PM |
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all i am saying is that with a good, ibclc lactation consultant, it never would have gotten that far |
fleabert |
Jan-16-11 08:47 AM |
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That would be odd, except ALL babies lose some weight |
Egnever |
Jan-14-11 08:41 AM |
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How in the world did humans survive? |
ronnie624 |
Jan-14-11 10:09 AM |
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Ding ding ding |
NickB79 |
Jan-14-11 05:04 PM |
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Rats Cause Cancer |
Spoonman |
Jan-13-11 09:45 PM |
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I never was able to get my older son to eat baby gruel |
starroute |
Jan-13-11 09:47 PM |
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Maybe you should have gotten some "Gruel Helper!" |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Jan-18-11 01:38 AM |
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I don't see the hoopla. |
Atypical Liberal |
Jan-13-11 10:14 PM |
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This is corporate junk science. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-13-11 10:51 PM |
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Agree --- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 11:26 AM |
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It appears this was government-funded. |
NickB79 |
Jan-14-11 05:06 PM |
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My eldest got organic carrot juice (which I made by grating carrots |
JDPriestly |
Jan-13-11 10:53 PM |
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Another missing element is the origin of the good old tonguie. |
TheMadMonk |
Jan-13-11 10:56 PM |
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Our first got a fresh pacifer if he dropped it, the 2nd |
SoCalDem |
Jan-16-11 09:52 AM |
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I only did formula, glad to say. |
David__77 |
Jan-13-11 11:23 PM |
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Yeah, because stuff produced at the Nestle factory must be |
Egnever |
Jan-14-11 08:42 AM |
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um, this research was sponsored by baby food companies. |
Monarda |
Jan-13-11 11:38 PM |
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I love how I'm staring at a Gerber ad on this page. |
truthisfreedom |
Jan-14-11 12:25 AM |
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No, it wans't |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 01:31 AM |
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Okay, here's a quote from the article |
Bluesbreaker |
Jan-14-11 01:41 AM |
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And the next paragraph... |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 01:47 AM |
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No new research |
Monarda |
Jan-14-11 07:40 AM |
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"And was not based on any research" - Wrong. It was based on research. |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 09:04 AM |
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my DIL and i were just discussing this |
shanti |
Jan-14-11 12:05 AM |
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Unrec...study sponsored by Nestle Corporation, maker of BABY FOODS |
Wednesdays |
Jan-14-11 01:00 AM |
#34 |
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You should try reading the article instead of going by what post #11 says |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 01:17 AM |
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Only if you're breastfeeding at Olive Garden. |
MilesColtrane |
Jan-14-11 01:06 AM |
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What is it about having children that turns rational adults into mindless zomboids? |
boppers |
Jan-14-11 02:07 AM |
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Way to insult the whole world: "every new parent into a psychotic expert about everything?" |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 02:20 AM |
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Every parent without a science degree who is an expert on immunization. |
boppers |
Jan-14-11 02:56 AM |
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Well, let's put it this way. |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 03:09 AM |
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Well, it's part of the shift to a Technocracy. |
boppers |
Jan-14-11 04:45 AM |
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that first comment is perfect! my views exactly. |
MBS |
Jan-14-11 05:51 AM |
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Back in the day when me and my brothers and sisters were born |
madokie |
Jan-14-11 06:19 AM |
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When my kids were babies |
Marthe48 |
Jan-14-11 06:50 AM |
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My pediatrician had me introduce solid foods early also. Two or the four |
Arkansas Granny |
Jan-14-11 10:47 AM |
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Best plan - find a doctor that you really really like and do whatever they say. |
cbdo2007 |
Jan-14-11 07:41 AM |
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i'd like to see who funded the study... |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 08:26 AM |
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From the article: "We are a university and Medical Research Council-funded group" |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 09:07 AM |
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yep. I started on the BMJ article, just got interrupted by the baby... |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 09:08 AM |
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The MRC is government funded |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 09:15 AM |
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she's 5mo :-) |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 09:41 AM |
#76 |
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Congratulations to you, too. |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 09:48 AM |
#78 |
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a quote from the BMJ story... |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 08:38 AM |
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This is how the authors' university is reporting it. |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 09:18 AM |
#69 |
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the issue i have is the pratical application of this advice |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 09:37 AM |
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I used a liquid vitamin supplement to ward against the possibility of anemia. |
gkhouston |
Jan-14-11 09:05 AM |
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All kinds of unanswered questions here - for example, is there something |
hedgehog |
Jan-14-11 09:22 AM |
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Makes sense for a number of reasons.. |
snooper2 |
Jan-14-11 09:27 AM |
#74 |
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The Unicef response... |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 09:52 AM |
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Here's the NHS response, published 10 minutes ago.... |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 10:02 AM |
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a much more balanced response to the revised advice. wish it was what was headlined all day. |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 05:49 PM |
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la leche league's advice on when to begin weaning/introduce solids...awesome imho. |
fleabert |
Jan-14-11 05:55 PM |
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+1000% -- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 11:29 AM |
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The guidelines change all the time on when to introduce solid foods. |
Arkansas Granny |
Jan-14-11 10:14 AM |
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Babies digestive abilities don't change however ... probably slight differences from |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 12:18 PM |
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Meh, why don't they all just admit that they have no clue, period. |
krabigirl |
Jan-14-11 11:06 AM |
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MERRY CHRISTMAS |
DainBramaged |
Jan-14-11 12:09 PM |
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"Three of the four authors 'have performed consultancy work and/or received funds .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 12:11 PM |
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They were funded by the British government. Here's the next paragraph... |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 12:17 PM |
#104 |
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The study is flawed ... and the links are acknowledged --- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 12:25 PM |
#106 |
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Look, someone upthread has made an allegation that Nestle funded this study |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 12:28 PM |
#108 |
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Why would you expect a DIRECT link to Nestle ....? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 05:00 PM |
#123 |
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So, let me get this straight |
NickB79 |
Jan-14-11 05:13 PM |
#128 |
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Suspect whomever you want -- or not .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 05:52 PM |
#136 |
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This isn't an American study |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 06:57 PM |
#145 |
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We know that ... what's your point? That our government agencies are totally honest and reliable? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-15-11 08:55 AM |
#158 |
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We? Are you more than one person? |
Turborama |
Jan-15-11 01:49 PM |
#161 |
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Might also be said "you are looking at this through the 'wrong lens'" .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-15-11 05:18 PM |
#165 |
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My "strong interest" is in keeping the facts straight. I hate dishonest discussion, wherever it is |
Turborama |
Jan-15-11 11:15 PM |
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FACT: 3 of the 4 authors did "consulting work for formula/baby food industry" and $$ for research ! |
defendandprotect |
Jan-16-11 08:53 PM |
#175 |
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"We couldn't ever trust what they were "putting in the baby food" -- that's another fact" Really? |
Turborama |
Jan-16-11 09:48 PM |
#179 |
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"Why would we suspect that anyone but dishonest people have been involved in it?" |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 06:46 PM |
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Jan-15-11 08:59 AM |
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Why would we suspect that dishonest people have any involvement in government .... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-15-11 05:21 PM |
#166 |
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This study has nothing to do with the founding fathers or Thatcher |
Turborama |
Jan-15-11 11:24 PM |
#168 |
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Our discussion has to do with "dishonest" men and corrupt government and its agencies... |
defendandprotect |
Jan-16-11 08:15 AM |
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I'm glad you finally understood what my "goal" was. I thought I'd made it quite clear from the start |
Turborama |
Jan-16-11 08:24 AM |
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Junk Science! |
Emillereid |
Jan-14-11 12:16 PM |
#103 |
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Dear God. I breast fed exclusively for 6 months, and my kid's healthy as a horse. |
ehrnst |
Jan-14-11 01:38 PM |
#115 |
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It's amazing the difference in children who are breast fed ... and how long the medical industry |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 05:05 PM |
#125 |
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My son was enthusiastic - they put him in my arms, he sniffed the air |
ehrnst |
Jan-14-11 05:16 PM |
#129 |
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Lovely story -- |
defendandprotect |
Jan-14-11 05:22 PM |
#130 |
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self-delete |
ehrnst |
Jan-14-11 01:38 PM |
#116 |
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Am I too late? Is the popcorn all gone? |
CTyankee |
Jan-14-11 02:39 PM |
#119 |
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No, but the butter's getting low |
Turborama |
Jan-14-11 07:01 PM |
#146 |
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Oh, Turborama....don't you know better? |
CTyankee |
Jan-15-11 01:10 PM |
#160 |
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LOL, I do now! |
Turborama |
Jan-15-11 01:58 PM |
#162 |
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Good luck to you both! Please let us know when your baby is born and how |
CTyankee |
Jan-15-11 02:38 PM |
#163 |
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kids-actually babies start to get ricketts (however u spell it) I know someone |
StarsInHerHair |
Jan-14-11 05:49 PM |
#134 |
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The current recommendation for breastfeeding babies is vit D drops |
laundry_queen |
Jan-16-11 09:16 PM |
#177 |
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My daughter's digestive system was un-able to handle baby food before 6 mos. |
Devil_Fish |
Jan-14-11 09:40 PM |
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Jan-15-11 08:53 AM |
#157 |
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Good grief.. |
SoCalDem |
Jan-16-11 09:47 AM |
#172 |
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What they mean to say is that it hurts corporate profit. n/t |
Catherina |
Jan-16-11 10:09 AM |
#174 |
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This frustrates the crap out of me |
laundry_queen |
Jan-16-11 09:14 PM |
#176 |
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and this puts my thought out there best...great response from my fave resource |
fleabert |
Jan-17-11 07:01 PM |
#184 |
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I'm allergic to soy. |
Manifestor_of_Light |
Jan-18-11 01:43 AM |
#187 |
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