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127. But it's not "VS. Natural Breastfeeding!"
It says, as I do you and I, that breast feeding is the best. Nowhere does it say not to breastfeed, or to give babies formula over breastmilk, and also it does not say give solids to newborns! 4 months old is not a newborn.

Apparently, they used to say no solids till 6 months or older. Now, they are saying 6 months might be too long, judging by what we're seeing in the renowned childrens health centres we work in, and that you can introduce solids sooner. It also say to continue breastfeeding as normal while this exploration of solids is going on.

How sinister!

And what makes you think that the old information (the 6 month recommendation) is any better than this new release? It came from doctors too. Who's to say what is natural behaviour for humans and what is best for your health? A doctor, that's who.

Also, I'm not sure I get your dig on Sagan, a man who comitted his life to the spread of knowlege, and did a wonderful job of it.
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  -Six months of breastfeeding alone could harm babies, scientists now say Turborama  Jan-13-11 08:10 PM   #0 
  - I'll Drink to that!  Demeter   Jan-13-11 08:12 PM   #1 
  - harmful?  Abq_Sarah   Jan-13-11 08:13 PM   #2 
  - They are saying we should start WEANING Children before they are six months old  happyslug   Jan-13-11 08:23 PM   #3 
  - Agreed. I introduced cereal at 3 months, though I continued  enlightenment   Jan-13-11 08:25 PM   #6 
  - well said.  fleabert   Jan-14-11 08:42 AM   #59 
  - Yeah, how about that.  freshwest   Jan-13-11 08:51 PM   #10 
  - I agree. And idealy you should start them smoking at the Olive Garden by age 2.  Liberal Veteran   Jan-13-11 08:24 PM   #4 
  - If you start the smoking at 2, are they nice and fully cured by 3?  boppers   Jan-14-11 01:51 AM   #42 
  - Just when I'd promised myself to maintain a civil tone, this is making it difficult.  enough   Jan-13-11 08:24 PM   #5 
  - Unfortunately, perhaps a lot of Women are not as savy as you.  BlueJazz   Jan-13-11 08:30 PM   #7 
  - It most certainly IS a man's business what a woman feeds his child  Rage for Order   Jan-15-11 12:00 AM   #154 
  - But some mothers are none too bright...  DRex   Jan-13-11 08:39 PM   #9 
  - Something like half of them are even below average  quakerboy   Jan-13-11 10:40 PM   #22 
  - The point of these reports is often to confuse the public -- what's new?  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 11:26 AM   #93 
     - That's rather conspiratorial....  DRex   Jan-14-11 11:40 AM   #99 
        - Remember the "Toxic Sludge is good for you" campaign?  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 12:31 PM   #109 
           - Nowhere does this say not to breastfeed though...  DRex   Jan-14-11 02:01 PM   #117 
              - With no new evidence vs natural breastfeeding, it's suggesting "HARM" can be done -- !!!  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 04:55 PM   #121 
                 - But it's not "VS. Natural Breastfeeding!"  DRex   Jan-14-11 05:11 PM   #127 
                 - Of course, it is "vs breastfeeding" ...  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 05:34 PM   #131 
                    - The issue is not "new evidence"...  DRex   Jan-14-11 06:13 PM   #140 
                    - Baby food industry is using "no new evidence" to try to reverse breastfeeding ....  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 06:22 PM   #141 
                       - I guess they are taking the longview then....  DRex   Jan-14-11 06:31 PM   #142 
                          - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-14-11 06:38 PM   #143 
                    - 4 mo. is still a newborn?!?!  NickB79   Jan-17-11 02:49 PM   #182 
                 - so you've bought the 'salt & sugar are just like bad drugs' propaganda....  StarsInHerHair   Jan-14-11 05:56 PM   #138 
                    - Non-natural salt and sugar are great for you ... if you want high blood pressure and diabetes...???  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 07:06 PM   #147 
  - it seems breast milk can't feed a growing brain enough to make  roguevalley   Jan-14-11 12:25 AM   #33 
  - What you're saying is inane....hormones/chemicals from breastmilk are used into old age...!!!  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 12:35 PM   #111 
     - The article talks about WEANING babies off of breastmilk, not replacing it  NickB79   Jan-14-11 04:58 PM   #122 
        - Your response is an argument against your judgment and reasoning ....  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 05:41 PM   #132 
           - The first step in weaning is introducing solid foods  NickB79   Jan-14-11 07:30 PM   #148 
              - Does it enter your mind that when you "wean" you withdraw breastmilk ... ???  defendandprotect   Jan-15-11 08:50 AM   #156 
                 - A baby's caloric demands increase as he/she grows  NickB79   Jan-17-11 02:47 PM   #181 
                 - Most women can keep up with their babies increased caloric needs  Nikia   Jan-17-11 08:23 PM   #185 
                 - As for your disdain of medical experts  NickB79   Jan-17-11 02:54 PM   #183 
  - Many inexperienced mothers rely on others for advice. They don't trust  Arkansas Granny   Jan-14-11 10:09 AM   #85 
  - Exactly ... there has long been an effort to STOP breast feeding ... and they succeeded  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 11:25 AM   #92 
  - My kids all got rice cereal at three months or so.  crim son   Jan-13-11 08:34 PM   #8 
  - Same here.  rosesaylavee   Jan-13-11 08:55 PM   #12 
  - That would suggest the baby is telling the mother they need more than just milk.  LiberalFighter   Jan-14-11 09:17 AM   #68 
  - i don't know of any studies, but the common sense approach I have found is  fleabert   Jan-14-11 09:47 AM   #77 
  - Laughing.  crim son   Jan-14-11 12:45 PM   #112 
  - yeah I fed it to my puppy=same results, healthy, happy  StarsInHerHair   Jan-14-11 05:58 PM   #139 
  - Hi Crim son. Exactly the same here.  FedUpWithIt All   Jan-13-11 10:52 PM   #26 
  - Nice to see you!  crim son   Jan-14-11 12:48 PM   #113 
  - My mom got me on to solid food as fast as she could.  Codeine   Jan-14-11 12:33 PM   #110 
     - That is absolutely the truth!  crim son   Jan-14-11 12:51 PM   #114 
  - I'd like to know who paid for this 'science'?  DainBramaged   Jan-13-11 08:53 PM   #11 
  - Good point  Nikia   Jan-13-11 09:33 PM   #17 
  - I am guessing not them  quakerboy   Jan-13-11 10:42 PM   #23 
  - Good catch!  Odin2005   Jan-13-11 10:50 PM   #24 
  - See post #37. Terrible fumble, more like.  Turborama   Jan-14-11 01:21 AM   #38 
     - DOH, my bad!  Odin2005   Jan-14-11 07:37 AM   #52 
        - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-14-11 11:25 AM   #91 
  - Where's the link between Nestle and this study?  Turborama   Jan-14-11 01:19 AM   #37 
  - Hmmm, I simply asked a question, strange your dfense of them is  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 06:56 AM   #51 
     - Yes, Nestle have a bad history. However, it's got nothing to do with this study. Someone cited you  Turborama   Jan-14-11 09:01 AM   #61 
     - Yet again, I asked a question, and once again you accused ME of conflating 'my' facts  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 09:56 AM   #80 
        - Three people believed that Nestle funded this because of what you posted  Turborama   Jan-14-11 10:06 AM   #83 
           - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-14-11 10:44 AM   #87 
     - Nestl Faces Facebook Crisis Over Greenpeace Rainforest Allegations  Turborama   Jan-14-11 11:37 AM   #98 
  - Excellent catch! The article should have been head-lined -  hedgehog   Jan-14-11 09:15 AM   #66 
  - OMG Not another one. Please See Posts #37 & #67  Turborama   Jan-14-11 09:22 AM   #70 
  - Exactly the first question we should ask every time.  harun   Jan-14-11 09:23 AM   #72 
  - So far, it seems the study was from government funded institutions  Turborama   Jan-14-11 09:24 AM   #73 
     - *  ronnie624   Jan-14-11 10:03 AM   #82 
     - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jan-14-11 10:46 AM   #88 
  - NESTLE strikes again --  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 11:28 AM   #95 
  - LOL There is no info. Please read above and let's try and keep DU factual. n/t  Turborama   Jan-14-11 11:31 AM   #97 
     - "FACT" ... "Three of four authors of study have taken money from baby food industry" ....  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 12:15 PM   #102 
        - FACT They were funded by the university and the Medical Research Council = Gov. funding  Turborama   Jan-14-11 12:26 PM   #107 
           - You know how republicans  laundry_queen   Jan-16-11 09:22 PM   #178 
              - Yes I do, not sure if the same thing happens in the UK though.  Turborama   Jan-16-11 09:59 PM   #180 
  - These fuckers make me sick. nt  thereismore   Jan-14-11 02:09 PM   #118 
  - Anyone who has read "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn" knows its breastfeeding story:  elocs   Jan-13-11 08:55 PM   #13 
  - Not to worry they always reverse themselves every 5 years..  kickysnana   Jan-13-11 08:57 PM   #14 
  - they keep changing their minds!! i found out about exclusive feeding AFTER i had already been  ejpoeta   Jan-13-11 09:05 PM   #15 
  - One of the wonderful things you learn as a parent ...  surrealAmerican   Jan-13-11 09:16 PM   #16 
  - My newhpew lost weight after being born because his mother insisted on breast feeding.  joshcryer   Jan-13-11 09:41 PM   #18 
  - it's too bad there wasn't a good lactation consultant, or that the dr. wasn't educated about BF'ing.  fleabert   Jan-14-11 08:30 AM   #56 
  - my daughter had a terrible time trying to breastfeed her first child.  CTyankee   Jan-14-11 02:53 PM   #120 
  - that sounds like a ton of support, which is exactly what she needed.  fleabert   Jan-14-11 05:42 PM   #133 
  - Thanks. It just upset me so much to see her crying when it should have been a joyous time.  CTyankee   Jan-15-11 02:42 PM   #164 
  - Yeah, that's basically what happened in this situation.  joshcryer   Jan-14-11 07:50 PM   #150 
     - that's very sad. for both your mom and sister in law. (and the baby)  fleabert   Jan-14-11 09:23 PM   #151 
        - She had her tubes tied, we were fully supportive of her breast feeding.  joshcryer   Jan-14-11 11:15 PM   #153 
           - personally, i think three months is way too early for cereal, and rice has no nutritional value.  fleabert   Jan-15-11 08:00 AM   #155 
  - She is overweight and tried for three weeks.  joshcryer   Jan-14-11 07:47 PM   #149 
     - all i am saying is that with a good, ibclc lactation consultant, it never would have gotten that far  fleabert   Jan-16-11 08:47 AM   #171 
  - That would be odd, except ALL babies lose some weight  Egnever   Jan-14-11 08:41 AM   #58 
     - How in the world did humans survive?  ronnie624   Jan-14-11 10:09 AM   #84 
        - Ding ding ding  NickB79   Jan-14-11 05:04 PM   #124 
  - Rats Cause Cancer  Spoonman   Jan-13-11 09:45 PM   #19 
  - I never was able to get my older son to eat baby gruel  starroute   Jan-13-11 09:47 PM   #20 
  - Maybe you should have gotten some "Gruel Helper!"  Manifestor_of_Light   Jan-18-11 01:38 AM   #186 
  - I don't see the hoopla.  Atypical Liberal   Jan-13-11 10:14 PM   #21 
  - This is corporate junk science.  Odin2005   Jan-13-11 10:51 PM   #25 
  - Agree ---  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 11:26 AM   #94 
  - It appears this was government-funded.  NickB79   Jan-14-11 05:06 PM   #126 
  - My eldest got organic carrot juice (which I made by grating carrots  JDPriestly   Jan-13-11 10:53 PM   #27 
  - Another missing element is the origin of the good old tonguie.  TheMadMonk   Jan-13-11 10:56 PM   #28 
  - Our first got a fresh pacifer if he dropped it, the 2nd  SoCalDem   Jan-16-11 09:52 AM   #173 
  - I only did formula, glad to say.  David__77   Jan-13-11 11:23 PM   #29 
  - Yeah, because stuff produced at the Nestle factory must be  Egnever   Jan-14-11 08:42 AM   #60 
  - um, this research was sponsored by baby food companies.  Monarda   Jan-13-11 11:38 PM   #30 
  - I love how I'm staring at a Gerber ad on this page.  truthisfreedom   Jan-14-11 12:25 AM   #32 
  - No, it wans't  Turborama   Jan-14-11 01:31 AM   #39 
     - Okay, here's a quote from the article  Bluesbreaker   Jan-14-11 01:41 AM   #40 
     - And the next paragraph...  Turborama   Jan-14-11 01:47 AM   #41 
     - No new research  Monarda   Jan-14-11 07:40 AM   #53 
        - "And was not based on any research" - Wrong. It was based on research.  Turborama   Jan-14-11 09:04 AM   #62 
  - my DIL and i were just discussing this  shanti   Jan-14-11 12:05 AM   #31 
  - sponsored by Nestle Corporation, maker of BABY FOODS  Wednesdays   Jan-14-11 01:00 AM   #34 
  - You should try reading the article instead of going by what post #11 says  Turborama   Jan-14-11 01:17 AM   #36 
  - Only if you're breastfeeding at Olive Garden.  MilesColtrane   Jan-14-11 01:06 AM   #35 
  - What is it about having children that turns rational adults into mindless zomboids?  boppers   Jan-14-11 02:07 AM   #43 
  - Way to insult the whole world: "every new parent into a psychotic expert about everything?"  Turborama   Jan-14-11 02:20 AM   #44 
     - Every parent without a science degree who is an expert on immunization.  boppers   Jan-14-11 02:56 AM   #45 
        - Well, let's put it this way.  Turborama   Jan-14-11 03:09 AM   #46 
           - Well, it's part of the shift to a Technocracy.  boppers   Jan-14-11 04:45 AM   #47 
  - that first comment is perfect! my views exactly.  MBS   Jan-14-11 05:51 AM   #48 
  - Back in the day when me and my brothers and sisters were born  madokie   Jan-14-11 06:19 AM   #49 
  - When my kids were babies  Marthe48   Jan-14-11 06:50 AM   #50 
  - My pediatrician had me introduce solid foods early also. Two or the four  Arkansas Granny   Jan-14-11 10:47 AM   #89 
  - Best plan - find a doctor that you really really like and do whatever they say.  cbdo2007   Jan-14-11 07:41 AM   #54 
  - i'd like to see who funded the study...  fleabert   Jan-14-11 08:26 AM   #55 
  - From the article: "We are a university and Medical Research Council-funded group"  Turborama   Jan-14-11 09:07 AM   #64 
     - yep. I started on the BMJ article, just got interrupted by the baby...  fleabert   Jan-14-11 09:08 AM   #65 
        - The MRC is government funded  Turborama   Jan-14-11 09:15 AM   #67 
           - she's 5mo :-)  fleabert   Jan-14-11 09:41 AM   #76 
              - Congratulations to you, too.  Turborama   Jan-14-11 09:48 AM   #78 
  - a quote from the BMJ story...  fleabert   Jan-14-11 08:38 AM   #57 
  - This is how the authors' university is reporting it.  Turborama   Jan-14-11 09:18 AM   #69 
     - the issue i have is the pratical application of this advice  fleabert   Jan-14-11 09:37 AM   #75 
  - I used a liquid vitamin supplement to ward against the possibility of anemia.  gkhouston   Jan-14-11 09:05 AM   #63 
  - All kinds of unanswered questions here - for example, is there something  hedgehog   Jan-14-11 09:22 AM   #71 
  - Makes sense for a number of reasons..  snooper2   Jan-14-11 09:27 AM   #74 
  - The Unicef response...  fleabert   Jan-14-11 09:52 AM   #79 
  - Here's the NHS response, published 10 minutes ago....  Turborama   Jan-14-11 10:02 AM   #81 
  - a much more balanced response to the revised advice. wish it was what was headlined all day.  fleabert   Jan-14-11 05:49 PM   #135 
  - la leche league's advice on when to begin weaning/introduce solids...awesome imho.  fleabert   Jan-14-11 05:55 PM   #137 
  - +1000% --  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 11:29 AM   #96 
  - The guidelines change all the time on when to introduce solid foods.  Arkansas Granny   Jan-14-11 10:14 AM   #86 
  - Babies digestive abilities don't change however ... probably slight differences from  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 12:18 PM   #105 
  - Meh, why don't they all just admit that they have no clue, period.  krabigirl   Jan-14-11 11:06 AM   #90 
  - MERRY CHRISTMAS  DainBramaged   Jan-14-11 12:09 PM   #100 
  - "Three of the four authors 'have performed consultancy work and/or received funds ....  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 12:11 PM   #101 
  - They were funded by the British government. Here's the next paragraph...  Turborama   Jan-14-11 12:17 PM   #104 
     - The study is flawed ... and the links are acknowledged ---  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 12:25 PM   #106 
        - Look, someone upthread has made an allegation that Nestle funded this study  Turborama   Jan-14-11 12:28 PM   #108 
           - Why would you expect a DIRECT link to Nestle ....?  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 05:00 PM   #123 
              - So, let me get this straight  NickB79   Jan-14-11 05:13 PM   #128 
              - Suspect whomever you want -- or not ....  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 05:52 PM   #136 
                 - This isn't an American study  Turborama   Jan-14-11 06:57 PM   #145 
                    - We know that ... what's your point? That our government agencies are totally honest and reliable?  defendandprotect   Jan-15-11 08:55 AM   #158 
                       - We? Are you more than one person?  Turborama   Jan-15-11 01:49 PM   #161 
                          - Might also be said "you are looking at this through the 'wrong lens'" ....  defendandprotect   Jan-15-11 05:18 PM   #165 
                             - My "strong interest" is in keeping the facts straight. I hate dishonest discussion, wherever it is  Turborama   Jan-15-11 11:15 PM   #167 
                                - FACT: 3 of the 4 authors did "consulting work for formula/baby food industry" and $$ for research !  defendandprotect   Jan-16-11 08:53 PM   #175 
                                   - "We couldn't ever trust what they were "putting in the baby food" -- that's another fact" Really?  Turborama   Jan-16-11 09:48 PM   #179 
              - "Why would we suspect that anyone but dishonest people have been involved in it?"  Turborama   Jan-14-11 06:46 PM   #144 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-15-11 08:59 AM   #159 
                 - Why would we suspect that dishonest people have any involvement in government ....  defendandprotect   Jan-15-11 05:21 PM   #166 
                    - This study has nothing to do with the founding fathers or Thatcher  Turborama   Jan-15-11 11:24 PM   #168 
                       - Our discussion has to do with "dishonest" men and corrupt government and its agencies...  defendandprotect   Jan-16-11 08:15 AM   #169 
                          - I'm glad you finally understood what my "goal" was. I thought I'd made it quite clear from the start  Turborama   Jan-16-11 08:24 AM   #170 
  - Junk Science!  Emillereid   Jan-14-11 12:16 PM   #103 
  - Dear God. I breast fed exclusively for 6 months, and my kid's healthy as a horse.  ehrnst   Jan-14-11 01:38 PM   #115 
  - It's amazing the difference in children who are breast fed ... and how long the medical industry  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 05:05 PM   #125 
     - My son was enthusiastic - they put him in my arms, he sniffed the air  ehrnst   Jan-14-11 05:16 PM   #129 
        - Lovely story --  defendandprotect   Jan-14-11 05:22 PM   #130 
  - self-delete  ehrnst   Jan-14-11 01:38 PM   #116 
  - Am I too late? Is the popcorn all gone?  CTyankee   Jan-14-11 02:39 PM   #119 
  - No, but the butter's getting low  Turborama   Jan-14-11 07:01 PM   #146 
     - Oh, Turborama....don't you know better?  CTyankee   Jan-15-11 01:10 PM   #160 
        - LOL, I do now!  Turborama   Jan-15-11 01:58 PM   #162 
           - Good luck to you both! Please let us know when your baby is born and how  CTyankee   Jan-15-11 02:38 PM   #163 
  - kids-actually babies start to get ricketts (however u spell it) I know someone  StarsInHerHair   Jan-14-11 05:49 PM   #134 
  - The current recommendation for breastfeeding babies is vit D drops  laundry_queen   Jan-16-11 09:16 PM   #177 
  - My daughter's digestive system was un-able to handle baby food before 6 mos.  Devil_Fish   Jan-14-11 09:40 PM   #152 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-15-11 08:53 AM   #157 
  - Good grief..  SoCalDem   Jan-16-11 09:47 AM   #172 
  - What they mean to say is that it hurts corporate profit. n/t  Catherina   Jan-16-11 10:09 AM   #174 
  - This frustrates the crap out of me  laundry_queen   Jan-16-11 09:14 PM   #176 
  - and this puts my thought out there best...great response from my fave resource  fleabert   Jan-17-11 07:01 PM   #184 
  - I'm allergic to soy.  Manifestor_of_Light   Jan-18-11 01:43 AM   #187 

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