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Sat Jan-01-11 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #17 |
| 20. I don't know Naomi Klein, but I lived in Russia at the time |
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I suppose you would have to tell me about this Naomi Klein, but I used to live in Russia, and I know some of the players involved, and I did talk to a lot of people at the time. I was lucky, I had a fairly large dacha with a large parking area, and I volunteered it for meetings where young Russian professionals and intellectuals would meet to discuss what to do about the end of communism. And I can vouch their main focus was to bury communism and make sure it would never return. And I remain in close touch with my Russian friends, and the signals remain the same - forget communism.
Another interesting point: at the time, they also had a naive belief that US diplomacy would be fair, and would give them the breathing room to chage without having to fear US encroachment on their "sphere of influence". Clinton, however, proceeded to betray their trust, and began a relentless series of moves which they saw as serious threats to Russia's future viability as a nation. Bush, being led by the nose by a neocon faction in Washington, made matters even worse. My analysis leans towards this being a serious miscalculation by Clinton and Bush. Obama has somewhat rectified the US onslaught against Russia, but this has been done only because the Russians re-gained their backbone and made it clear they would do what they had to do to save Russia.
I can also assure you there are huge differences between the capitalist systems in Russia and the USA. So different, they are like volleyball and football - different rules, different players, different audiences, etc.
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| -Stalin statue blown up in Ukraine |
cowcommander |
Jan-01-11 06:34 AM |
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Wow, but I can't say that I'm surprised. |
Rhiannon12866 |
Jan-01-11 06:48 AM |
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Thank you for sharing that info.......I had no idea |
TheDebbieDee |
Jan-01-11 02:18 PM |
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I didn't, either, until I was fortunate enough to actually visit there. |
Rhiannon12866 |
Jan-01-11 05:24 PM |
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What took them so long? |
Dennis Donovan |
Jan-01-11 06:54 AM |
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Long overdue really (and they should get any Lenin statues while they're at it) |
Mudoria |
Jan-01-11 06:57 AM |
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Stalin was never exactly Ukraine's favorite guy |
Ken Burch |
Jan-01-11 06:58 AM |
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A lot of Ukrainians respect Stalin if that is the case... |
David__77 |
Jan-01-11 07:20 AM |
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It's possible to be antifascist and STILL be against having your country deliberately starved |
Ken Burch |
Jan-01-11 07:29 AM |
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Well the voters of Ukraine will decide. |
David__77 |
Jan-01-11 07:37 AM |
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Yes, the voters will decide |
Ken Burch |
Jan-01-11 08:23 AM |
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There's no debate in Russia about communism. |
social_critic |
Jan-01-11 01:28 PM |
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The terminology's perplexing. |
Igel |
Jan-01-11 03:25 PM |
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Stalin was up there with Hitler, Mao, Jackson and Caesar Agustus. |
Taverner |
Jan-01-11 04:17 PM |
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My Family on my Father SIde Was Directly Effected by Him |
fascisthunter |
Jan-01-11 10:08 AM |
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I'm sure PTSD messed up your grandfather beyond repair |
Ken Burch |
Jan-01-11 06:41 PM |
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Yep, and then used them as cannon fodder in WWII |
Taverner |
Jan-01-11 04:16 PM |
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Terror attacks against a left-wing party. |
David__77 |
Jan-01-11 07:28 AM |
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No party with a statue of Stalin in front of its headquarters can honestly call itself "left-wing" |
Ken Burch |
Jan-01-11 07:32 AM |
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Why do Ukrainians send the CPU to parliament then? |
David__77 |
Jan-01-11 07:38 AM |
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Of course. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-01-11 08:17 AM |
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Russians don't long for a return of communism |
social_critic |
Jan-01-11 09:35 AM |
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So, what Naomi Klein said is all a lie? |
MattSh |
Jan-01-11 11:24 AM |
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I don't know Naomi Klein, but I lived in Russia at the time |
social_critic |
Jan-01-11 01:20 PM |
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Is it true that the who's who of Russian Business is more like the Mafia? |
Taverner |
Jan-01-11 04:21 PM |
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Think critically. |
Igel |
Jan-01-11 03:45 PM |
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But keep in mind Socialism is far less of a bad word than it is here |
Taverner |
Jan-01-11 04:22 PM |
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Ethnic Russians, longing for the good old days |
Taverner |
Jan-01-11 04:19 PM |
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A crappy slogan. |
CJvR |
Jan-01-11 06:53 PM |
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I didn't write it, and I assume something is lost in translation |
Taverner |
Jan-01-11 07:00 PM |
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Hitler/Mussolini kept the trains running on time, as well. |
boppers |
Jan-01-11 09:02 PM |
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Obviously, in terms of simple logic, the people who would say that |
Ken Burch |
Jan-01-11 09:47 PM |
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Jan-01-11 06:01 PM |
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Chill, dave. The Antistalinist Left is on the case. |
Ken Burch |
Jan-01-11 06:42 PM |
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I think Rosa Luxemburg was infinitely superior to Lenin or Stalin. |
David__77 |
Jan-01-11 08:14 PM |
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Rosa Luxemburg is one of my heroes! |
Ken Burch |
Jan-01-11 08:30 PM |
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Wonderful... |
David__77 |
Jan-01-11 09:45 PM |
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okay |
davidinalameda |
Jan-01-11 08:58 PM |
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Not defending Communists., Defending STALIN |
Taverner |
Jan-01-11 07:02 PM |
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I'm not sure I'm willing to accept that Stalin was, in the truest sense, a Communist at all |
Ken Burch |
Jan-01-11 09:08 PM |
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Who's "defending" Stalin? |
David__77 |
Jan-01-11 08:13 PM |
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I would hardly call Stalin Left Wing |
Taverner |
Jan-01-11 04:18 PM |
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There's a compelling case to be made the Beria was a closet liberal. |
David__77 |
Jan-01-11 04:37 PM |
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Russian communists believed that Stalin betrayed the Revolution |
Kolesar |
Jan-01-11 09:06 AM |
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The Party did what the Party had to. |
Igel |
Jan-01-11 04:09 PM |
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Actually, Khrushchev's denunciation of Stalin was a strategic blunder... |
David__77 |
Jan-01-11 04:43 PM |
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Yes, that sounds right...eom |
Kolesar |
Jan-03-11 08:41 AM |
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Stalin was a psycho |
fascisthunter |
Jan-01-11 10:03 AM |
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Good, Stalin starved millions of Ukranians because he hated well-off peasants,. |
Odin2005 |
Jan-01-11 11:33 AM |
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Funny how those that get rid of monuments to terrorists, are labeled as terrorists. |
SoapBox |
Jan-01-11 12:40 PM |
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Good for them! |
AnnieBW |
Jan-01-11 01:53 PM |
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Hurray for the "extremists" |
harvey007 |
Jan-01-11 02:06 PM |
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At last, some good news. nt |
raccoon |
Jan-03-11 09:16 AM |
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