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social_critic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-11 01:20 PM
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20. I don't know Naomi Klein, but I lived in Russia at the time
I suppose you would have to tell me about this Naomi Klein, but I used to live in Russia, and I know some of the players involved, and I did talk to a lot of people at the time. I was lucky, I had a fairly large dacha with a large parking area, and I volunteered it for meetings where young Russian professionals and intellectuals would meet to discuss what to do about the end of communism. And I can vouch their main focus was to bury communism and make sure it would never return. And I remain in close touch with my Russian friends, and the signals remain the same - forget communism.

Another interesting point: at the time, they also had a naive belief that US diplomacy would be fair, and would give them the breathing room to chage without having to fear US encroachment on their "sphere of influence". Clinton, however, proceeded to betray their trust, and began a relentless series of moves which they saw as serious threats to Russia's future viability as a nation. Bush, being led by the nose by a neocon faction in Washington, made matters even worse. My analysis leans towards this being a serious miscalculation by Clinton and Bush. Obama has somewhat rectified the US onslaught against Russia, but this has been done only because the Russians re-gained their backbone and made it clear they would do what they had to do to save Russia.

I can also assure you there are huge differences between the capitalist systems in Russia and the USA. So different, they are like volleyball and football - different rules, different players, different audiences, etc.
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  -Stalin statue blown up in Ukraine cowcommander  Jan-01-11 06:34 AM   #0 
  - Wow, but I can't say that I'm surprised.  Rhiannon12866   Jan-01-11 06:48 AM   #1 
  - Thank you for sharing that info.......I had no idea  TheDebbieDee   Jan-01-11 02:18 PM   #24 
     - I didn't, either, until I was fortunate enough to actually visit there.  Rhiannon12866   Jan-01-11 05:24 PM   #36 
  - What took them so long?  Dennis Donovan   Jan-01-11 06:54 AM   #2 
  - Long overdue really (and they should get any Lenin statues while they're at it)  Mudoria   Jan-01-11 06:57 AM   #3 
  - Stalin was never exactly Ukraine's favorite guy  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 06:58 AM   #4 
  - A lot of Ukrainians respect Stalin if that is the case...  David__77   Jan-01-11 07:20 AM   #5 
  - It's possible to be antifascist and STILL be against having your country deliberately starved  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 07:29 AM   #7 
     - Well the voters of Ukraine will decide.  David__77   Jan-01-11 07:37 AM   #9 
     - Yes, the voters will decide  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 08:23 AM   #12 
        - There's no debate in Russia about communism.  social_critic   Jan-01-11 01:28 PM   #21 
        - The terminology's perplexing.  Igel   Jan-01-11 03:25 PM   #25 
     - Stalin was up there with Hitler, Mao, Jackson and Caesar Agustus.  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:17 PM   #29 
  - My Family on my Father SIde Was Directly Effected by Him  fascisthunter   Jan-01-11 10:08 AM   #16 
  - I'm sure PTSD messed up your grandfather beyond repair  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 06:41 PM   #38 
  - Yep, and then used them as cannon fodder in WWII  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:16 PM   #28 
  - Terror attacks against a left-wing party.  David__77   Jan-01-11 07:28 AM   #6 
  - No party with a statue of Stalin in front of its headquarters can honestly call itself "left-wing"  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 07:32 AM   #8 
  - Why do Ukrainians send the CPU to parliament then?  David__77   Jan-01-11 07:38 AM   #10 
     - Of course.  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 08:17 AM   #11 
     - Russians don't long for a return of communism  social_critic   Jan-01-11 09:35 AM   #14 
        - So, what Naomi Klein said is all a lie?  MattSh   Jan-01-11 11:24 AM   #17 
        - I don't know Naomi Klein, but I lived in Russia at the time  social_critic   Jan-01-11 01:20 PM   #20 
        - Is it true that the who's who of Russian Business is more like the Mafia?  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:21 PM   #32 
        - Think critically.  Igel   Jan-01-11 03:45 PM   #26 
        - But keep in mind Socialism is far less of a bad word than it is here  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:22 PM   #33 
     - Ethnic Russians, longing for the good old days  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:19 PM   #31 
     - A crappy slogan.  CJvR   Jan-01-11 06:53 PM   #40 
        - I didn't write it, and I assume something is lost in translation  Taverner   Jan-01-11 07:00 PM   #41 
        - Hitler/Mussolini kept the trains running on time, as well.  boppers   Jan-01-11 09:02 PM   #47 
        - Obviously, in terms of simple logic, the people who would say that  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 09:47 PM   #50 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-01-11 06:01 PM   #37 
        - Chill, dave. The Antistalinist Left is on the case.  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 06:42 PM   #39 
        - I think Rosa Luxemburg was infinitely superior to Lenin or Stalin.  David__77   Jan-01-11 08:14 PM   #44 
        - Rosa Luxemburg is one of my heroes!  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 08:30 PM   #45 
           - Wonderful...  David__77   Jan-01-11 09:45 PM   #49 
        - okay  davidinalameda   Jan-01-11 08:58 PM   #46 
        - Not defending Communists., Defending STALIN  Taverner   Jan-01-11 07:02 PM   #42 
        - I'm not sure I'm willing to accept that Stalin was, in the truest sense, a Communist at all  Ken Burch   Jan-01-11 09:08 PM   #48 
        - Who's "defending" Stalin?  David__77   Jan-01-11 08:13 PM   #43 
  - I would hardly call Stalin Left Wing  Taverner   Jan-01-11 04:18 PM   #30 
     - There's a compelling case to be made the Beria was a closet liberal.  David__77   Jan-01-11 04:37 PM   #34 
  - Russian communists believed that Stalin betrayed the Revolution  Kolesar   Jan-01-11 09:06 AM   #13 
  - The Party did what the Party had to.  Igel   Jan-01-11 04:09 PM   #27 
     - Actually, Khrushchev's denunciation of Stalin was a strategic blunder...  David__77   Jan-01-11 04:43 PM   #35 
     - Yes, that sounds right...eom  Kolesar   Jan-03-11 08:41 AM   #51 
  - Stalin was a psycho  fascisthunter   Jan-01-11 10:03 AM   #15 
  - Good, Stalin starved millions of Ukranians because he hated well-off peasants,.  Odin2005   Jan-01-11 11:33 AM   #18 
  - Funny how those that get rid of monuments to terrorists, are labeled as terrorists.  SoapBox   Jan-01-11 12:40 PM   #19 
  - Good for them!  AnnieBW   Jan-01-11 01:53 PM   #22 
  - Hurray for the "extremists"  harvey007   Jan-01-11 02:06 PM   #23 
  - At last, some good news. nt  raccoon   Jan-03-11 09:16 AM   #52 

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